All Politicked Out? Election 2020
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McConnell may drive the impeachment, taking up the articles in the Senate 1 hour after inauguration.
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@approxinfinity Lots of commentary that impeachment can proceed after he leaves office because if convicted, Senate is not limited to removal. They could bar him from future federal office and benefits. Would it not be cool if he is stripped of pension and library, etc?
Never happen, tho…
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@mayjay Biden will be running the country. But
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@Crimsonorblue22 Reminds me of Jim JONES.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/fbi-bulletin-armed-protests-state-us-capitol/index.html
Definitely over the, “They were both bad candidates” crowd. But her emails… (emphasis on HER). Dangerous rhetoric is called dangerous for a reason.
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It would be great if his term is really over at 7:49 tonight… Until we find out why.
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Maybe the Republicans will use the old “he was a chaos monkey.” defense.
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If he’s saying this, he has the votes. It’s ovaaaaaaaaa https://twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/1349107411685154818?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk Mitch didn’t even vote to convict.
What we’ve learned: Trump didn’t disappear after losing the election. QAnon is dangerous. And Mitch McConnell is testicle-free.
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@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@FarmerJayhawk Mitch didn’t even vote to convict.
What we’ve learned: Trump didn’t disappear after losing the election. QAnon is dangerous. And Mitch McConnell is testicle-free.
His argument is forum non conveniens. I disagree but at least he was consistent about it. Also Schumer is a chode. Totally blew it. There’s a truthism in DC that the most dangerous place in town is between Chuck and a camera. He keeps proving it.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
forum non conveniens
I don’t understand. He thinks the legal system will examine whether Trump incited an insurrection? If that’s his reason, then it looks like more than a disagreeable conclusion to me. It’s a complete reversal of his position a month ago. A complete lie: because he couldn’t get the votes, he made up a reason for not voting for impeachment so he didn’t have to be on the record doing the right thing.
The turtle recedes into his shell.
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@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@FarmerJayhawk said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
forum non conveniens
I don’t understand. He thinks the legal system will examine whether Trump incited an insurrection? If that’s his reason, then it looks like more than a disagreeable conclusion to me. It’s a complete reversal of his position a month ago. A complete lie: because he couldn’t get the votes, he made up a reason for not voting for impeachment so he didn’t have to be on the record doing the right thing.
The turtle recedes into his shell.
Bingo. If you read his statement it’s clear he wants this handled in a criminal court and then by voters. I disagree with him, but that’s his opinion. https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1360697577776242694?s=21
I’m more furious at Schumer and the House managers for not calling any witnesses and drafting a shoddy article. He could’ve gotten some R’s on the fence had he called McCarthy or Pence. Shoot, he had a SITTING REPUBLICAN CONGRESSWOMAN ready to testify and he just was like nah I’m good. You had House R’s on the record saying yeah I could vote for a more general article but not a criminal indictment. It’s amazing how consistently awful at this they are.
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There’s a difference between saying the right thing and doing the right thing. His vote speaks way louder than his words. This isn’t an opinion, imo. It’s a vote. His opinion is that he was guilty. So vote guilty. It’s really quite simple.
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I can see your point about the handling of the impeachent. However, blaming the guy who is inept vs the guy that is morally bankrupt seems like a cop out.
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@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
There’s a difference between saying the right thing and doing the right thing. His vote speaks way louder than his words. This isn’t an opinion, imo. It’s a vote. His opinion is that he was guilty. So vote guilty. It’s really quite simple.
It’s a constitutional argument. He doesn’t think it’s constitutional to convict someone who’s left office. I don’t agree, but there’s an argument for it. It’s not a cop out to assign blame wherever I see it. Plenty to go around. McConnell was wrong and Schumer can’t run the Senate out of a paper bag. They totally blew it.
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@FarmerJayhawk my point though is that McConnell wanted to impeach a month ago before his party rallied around a position that didn’t repudiate Trump for fear of alienating his base. You know he wanted impeachment, because you posted about it. His constitutional argument now is merely a convenience, because he’s decided to save his own sorry ass the next election cycle.
You may call this politics. I call it self serving cowardice.
I think you’re avoiding my point, and we can move on.
I’m doubtful that under any circumstances under his control, Schumer could have convinced 10 more Republicans to vote for impeachment.
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@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@FarmerJayhawk my point though is that McConnell wanted to impeach a month ago before his party rallied around a position that didn’t repudiate Trump for fear of alienating his base. You know he wanted impeachment, because you posted about it. His constitutional argument now is merely a convenience, because he’s decided to save his own sorry ass the next election cycle.
You may call this politics. I call it self serving cowardice.
I think you’re avoiding my point, and we can move on.
I’m doubtful that under any circumstances under his control, Schumer could have convinced 10 more Republicans to vote for impeachment.
I’m 100% convinced had the House acted responsibly, Trump would’ve been convicted. Dithering for a week then wasting more time in sending over the article (the Senate can accept them even in pro forma) stalled out any momentum. And there’s a legit constitutional argument about whether you can convict a former President. You can call it a cop out, fine. But not like it’s a radical position. McConnell could cure cancer and you’d still hate him, I get it. I’m not avoiding your point, I just disagree with it. Schumer probably couldn’t, but I guarantee there would’ve been 10 more had the House not screwed around for 3 weeks. Which is why it was so important to do it quickly. You have to strike while the iron is hot in politics. Moods change. It wasn’t a complicated article to draft. D’s are just so incompetent they couldn’t even do the most simple thing right. They act quickly and there is no escape hatch. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me at all if they didn’t really care about conviction because they’d love for Trump to be the GOP nominee in 24. Their actions don’t exactly scream otherwise.
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@FarmerJayhawk Well I appreciate your insights, but think you’re still dodging whether McConnell actually believed the constutionality argument or just ended up there now because he didn’t have the votes (he’s not curing cancer, he IS cancer) , and I agree waiting 3 weeks was weak on the Democrats part. Interesting thought that they want him as the nominee. Possible but really irresponsible if so.
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@approxinfinity he’s been consistent there. He voted aye on Paul’s motion weeks ago that it was unconstitutional. He voted that way again right before the trial. He said as much again today. I think he’s wrong, but I think he’s sincere about it. Put another way, if this vote was a month ago I have little doubt he’d vote to convict, as would at least 9 more Republicans. His office was leaking like a sieve in January he may even be inclined to convict. They were putting out the signal that A) House get it together and let’s do this thing
I won’t whip a no vote so everyone vote their conscience.McConnell was LIVID at the White House for costing him the majority in Georgia. Like white hot, Biblical fire and brimstone, bask in the lamentations of women, fanatical rage at Trump for Georgia. He wanted his pound of flesh from the Biden administration on appointees. Like sorry Joe, no Neera Tanden (an objectively awful human) at OMB. No Xavier Bacera at HHS. Get to dictate to Biden what big legislation looks like, especially given the House is a trash fire. It was going to be good to be Majority Leader! But nooooo the Trump/Wood/Powell/Rudy gang of clowns had to spend all that time in Georgia telling folks the election was stolen and the runoff was a lost cause because Hugo Chavez was going to install Ossoff and Warnock from the great beyond. Just incomprehensible stupidity. Then listening to both his speeches on 1/7 and then today, it’s obvious McConnell still has the fury as hot as 1000 Suns for Trump and if he dropped dead tomorrow Mitch would probably have himself a nice Kentucky bourbon.
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@FarmerJayhawk thanks for this.
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@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@FarmerJayhawk thanks for this.
No problem. Always enjoy the conversation and banter!
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@FarmerJayhawk https://www.hutchnews.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/02/15/moore-missed-opportunity/6754281002/
I remembered what you told me awhile back, it’s bothered me for awhile. Gov. Kelly is taking the heat for the DOL not getting checks out. Everything has been a nightmare with that system! She gets all the blame. They’ve tried to duct tape it up
numerous times.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@FarmerJayhawk https://www.hutchnews.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/02/15/moore-missed-opportunity/6754281002/
I remembered what you told me awhile back, it’s bothered me for awhile. Gov. Kelly is taking the heat for the DOL not getting checks out. Everything has been a nightmare with that system! She gets all the blame. They’ve tried to duct tape it up
numerous times.Oh jeez, that freaking computer story again! State IT infrastructure is maybe the least sexy issue in the history of the state buuuuut it’s also one of those basic things we need to get right as a functioning Government. And very unsurprisingly, the legislature hasn’t been interested. Another fun fact. The state’s contract database is still in DOS. Any business that operated like this would be out of business and maybe criminally liable. It’s just bonkers!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
Any business that operated like this would be out of business and maybe criminally liable.
The FAA, of course, is the federal poster child for this crap. This article discusses the problems they had updating their 40 year old system.
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@mayjay crazy!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@mayjay crazy!
Sure makes memories of flying fun…
