OSU
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Starters Min PPG Height Weight (Key 3 Pointer
Michael Cobbins SR 28.3 9.3 6ā8ā 230 (41.2%)
LeāBryan Nash SR 30.9 17.6 6ā7ā 235
Jeff Newberry JR 16.3 5.8 6ā2ā 190 (44.8%)
Anthony Hickey Jr. SR 28.7 9.3 5ā11ā 185 (33.3%)
Phil Forte III JR 33.0 17.7 5ā11ā 185
Key Reserves
Jeffrey Carroll FR 15.2 4.8 6ā6ā 205
Tavarius Shine FR 11.8 3.5 6ā6ā 195
Leyton Hammonds SO 11.1 2.5 6ā7ā 205 (33.3%)
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Yesterday I read a post in which someone quoted Travis Ford declaring that OSU was determined not to allow the Jayhawks to ārun their stuffā against his Cowboys. HA! I wonder what āstuffā he refers to. Heck, Bill Self might not even know what stuff his squad will run Tuesday night! Jayhawk Nation awaits the continuing development of our offense with bated breath.
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@REHawk Hope to see the Battle of Small Guards. I think whichever combo (Mason/Graham or Forte/Hickey) that has the better Assist and TO shall prevail. I am pretty sure our small guards will outdo them in REB column. It would be fun. RCJH!
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@Shanghai_RCJH think oubre will guard Nash?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I sure hope so. Freshman dueling Senior. I think the 2 small guards duel is key. If the small guards duel is a tie, then, the Duel at 3 will be key to win. Sure hope Oubre KO Nash. RCJH!
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Nash will be guarded by Ellis since starters go 5ā11", 5ā11", 6ā2", 6ā7", and 6ā8". If we go with are usual line up, and Self will because we donāt let people dictate what we run, that would put Ellis or Traylor on Nash. And I donāt think we want Ellis or Traylor guarding a 6ā2" guy.
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After saturday I wonder if we see more minutes of a lineup with Cliff and Mari inside. With Ellis still in the game. KO and Mason. Then subbing Graham and Selden for those. Perhaps not against okie state. But a longer taller team I think it could be effective. This would be short minutes. Not gonna want to risk foul trouble with the big guys. I think the more Ellis hits from outside, the more defenses will start to key on him for that. Which should open up passing/driving lanes to the hoop. Its really how Ellis can get us more points in the paint even if he doesnt score them. I could see Self going to this maybe 4 or 5 possessions per half when we really need a few buckets and arent rebounding well.
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Wow, an experienced team. They may not be as talented as OSU teams of the past, but experience against youth evens the playing field. Then the prospect of beating a team like KU means theyāll be amped up, not to mention itāll be one of their few sellouts of the year. We havenāt handled environments like this very well in recent years. Danger KU!
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@wissoxfan83Game The game is at home BTW. We donāt play in Gallagher Iba till Feb 7th.
Big advantage for Nash if Ellis is guarding him. He lives off of FTās and mid range jumpers. I would like Oubre to guard him but Iām afraid heād get in foul trouble. Same with Traylor, he owned Mari last year in their meetings especially in Stillwater. We donāt have anyone to really guard him. Nash hasnāt played well in Allen Fieldhouse over the years so hopefully he remembers that.
In General to win this game we just have to limit Nash & Forte from doing too much damage. If they score over 40 combined we are probably in a dogfight. Nash has been turnover prone this year so it would have been nice if Oubre could guard him and get a bunch of steals but Iām worried Nash would bait him into some freshman fouls.
Forte has also had a penchant for making 30 footers in Allen. Heās added to his game this year and we have to be very worried whoās going to limit him. Will we put Selden on him and have him chase him or will it be Masonās job? Clearly from my perspective the biggest question mark in this game.
We havenāt played a team with more than 1 go to player so it will be important to see in the first 10 minutes how our defense is playing to these guys.
Hickey has been pretty good at getting into the lane for shots or kickouts which we will have to worry about. They love to penetrate and dish for 3ās. Itās basically their whole offense other than Iso Nash. Itās a big advantage to have Graham back and already a game behind his belt because we are going to need his Defense. Shine & Newberry donāt do anything but shoot 3ās so it will be key to limit them as well from outside shots.
I think we will win this game but Iām expecting it to be very close til the end. Forte has been an absolute thorn in our side in every meeting. Itās like we smacked up his mother or something and heās coming for revenge. Nash & him average almost 36 pts a game and matchup wise it favors them in both cases. Will Mason cover Forte or will we put Selden on him and have him chase all night. Nash has either Ellis or Traylor to start and thatās a mismatch. We will need Cliff a lot in this game. For KU, having Graham back is huge. Mason will have his game, hopefully the real Perry Ellis is back again. Just continue doing what we are doing.
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@BeddieKU23 I would guard Forte with Mason over Selden. Maybe Iām crazy, but I prefer Masonās defense to Seldenās at this point.
But hereās actually what Iād try ā guard Forte with Oubre. Self routinely put Brandon Rush on point guards. I donāt think Forte is quicker than Oubre, but Forte can get a step on most anyone. Oubre could cause him distress on his jumper, and could cause problems on Forteās drives from a chase position, if Forte gets by him, with his long arms.
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@BeddieKU23 Thanks for the heads up! I thought Iād read it was on the road.
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@BeddieKU23 : Ellis dāing anyone up is a mismatch
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I like that idea, but again Iām worried about how fast Oubre can get over screens. Forte is pretty crafty at hiding behind screens. I do like the fact that he could bother some shots with his long arms, but Oubre has yet to block one shot this year. If Iām truly that worried then Mason it is because heās been pretty consistent fighting screens all year.
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On ball screens, play over, switch under? I donāt like switching though when it can be avoided. I think we could switch with anyone, including Traylor and Ellis, but not Cliff.
Interesting on the blocked shot stat.
Iām quite sure Self wouldnāt start with Oubre on him anyway ā only if damage has been done.
If Masonās on him, then good thing Graham is back. Mason will be working hard. Mason never gets tired, though ā the best conditioned Jayhawk Iāve seen, and the best dribbler Iāve seen here.
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I donāt think Oubre can keep up with him As Beddie said, I donāt see Oubre fight through screens the way he would need to to keep up with the ultra-active Forte. If you recall the dude doesnāt tire. He will run non stop and Oubre is foul prone as it is.
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@ cragar I was thinking the same thing. Iād like to see how Traylor & Alexander play together for an extended period of time. If Perry cannot score down low, what is he bringing to the table that Brannen Greene isnāt.
I do feel bad for Perry because he believes he should be playing the 3 but heās forced out of position. His shuffles are obviously not good enough to guard any 3 though. Heās about like Greene in that regard except at least Perry doesnāt get out over his skis when he guards like Greene does. Iām hoping Hudy can improve Greeneās defensive slides the way Tyrel Reed did over time.
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@Blown If we look at their line up, i think they play mainly 6 guys and the 7th is not really rotation minutes. Therefore, I like our Options we can have at 1/2, 3, and 4/5. We have 2 viable options for 1/2 (Mason/Seldon and Mason/Graham), we have a solid 3 in KO and BG and Svi as good back ups, we have Traylor/Ellis, Traylor/Cliff and Cliff/Ellis at the 4/5. We can throw many things at them but they canāt. RCJH!
