New 2019 Recruiting
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@BShark defensive stats
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https://twitter.com/teejayy_22/status/943549700375969793
Dunking on a Missouri player. Me gusta.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@BShark Averaged 2.4 pts in 11.7 minutes in the Big 12. Exrapolating to 30 minutes itās about 7 points. Adjusting for an easier SOS in the Southland probably around 10ish pts.
So we could replace Grimesā production by playing Mitch more?
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I donāt see how Doke is back. Self basically said so.
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@dylans no
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Stanley is visiting Duke this weekend.
Unfortunately we know how this story ends. They are going to swoop in and get him and hurt this next week.
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Lol
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Lol at adding Duke to his previously cut list. Crap.
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What a joke. Iām so incredibly tired of being an Adidas school.
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Iām incredibly tired of duke
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Woodrow said:
Stanley is visiting Duke this weekend.
Unfortunately we know how this story ends. They are going to swoop in and get him and hurt this next week.
Whatever will be will be. All I want is:
- an athletic kid
- with a non-broken shot
- who can move his feet
- and who wants to work hard and get better
- and help his team win
- and wonāt go pro until heās projected first round, or projected at his presumed highest in the draft
If thatās Stanley, awesome. Come on down. If it isnāt, then on to the next kid.
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I have faith in Self but Iām growing pretty pessimistic about what heās going to salvage here.
Hurt is going to Duke. I assume Stanley is now as well. I donāt think Precious comes to KU. As of right now we donāt even have a official visit secured with Beverly. I just donāt see how this ends well for Self and KU.
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Well just seen the 247 pick already where he says or gave a Duke pick for Stanley - if that happens then it happens
That also might mean that Duke knows they not in the running for Hampton anymore so- -so they had to re adjust - -might just make things a lot better for us if Hampton re classifies As a matter of fact pretty sure he will
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Iām tellin you Iām about ready to cash this fricken years recruiting in for sure. - Getting really sick and tired of all the misses - -itās a dam cess pool
How in the hell can a school just come in out of now where on the LAST weekend before the kid is making an announcement and get a visit out of him - -Stanley? - Duke just waltzes in and now I see they have 5 CB picks for him - the 1st day he visits the campus - thatās just beyond comprehending. - All I hear about how hard it is to pull a west Coast kid off the Coast. - -Well we are talking about pulling a kid off the Coast and going completely to the opposite Coast - all the way across the Nation - -Coast - -to - -Coast - there is no way you canāt tell me something smells there.
Then I see the other recruit - -Beverly just got another CB to Georgia -dam CB shows 80% Michigan St for the kid and Georgia the other 20% - this just adds up to one huge big pile of DOG DOO - -just a fricked up year for sure
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Iām incredibly tired of college basketball.
And Pro basketball.
And baseball.
And football - just pro football, because the Chiefs always get rid of their best players, plus Iām excited to see what Miles does the next few seasons at KU.
But I still like golf. It is the BEST to nap to.
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You might wanna sit down for this - - Stanley has postponed his announcement date till the 20th of April - -a day AFTER Hurts Announcement - - - - -ABSOLUTE STUNNER - -could it be - - 19th of April - -Hurt announces - -DUKE - - 20th of April - - Stanley announces DUKE - we are getting clowned by Rat face - -ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING -
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@jayballer73 Theyāll probably do Duke as much good as Zion did.
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@nuleafjhawk Are you saying heās doing us a favor by forcing Bill into multi-year players?
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@nuleafjhawk the Chiefs have had a great off-season so far
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@dylans Yes!
Think about the OADās that KU has had. I wonāt mention names, but you know who they are. Have they helped us in any way?
Think about the 4 year playersā¦again I wonāt name names. But many of them are on banners hanging in the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse.
Itās not just us. I was just talking about this earlier this morning with a guy at work. Look for Gonzaga to start a downward spiral in the next few years - because - they got to where they are because of having a core of juniors and seniors that got to know each other and they played well together as a team. Now that they are starting to reach that āeliteā (not blue blood) status, they will start seeing an influx of OADās and they will start seeing a whole lot of āLā's pile up.
Give me a team of junior and senior nobodyās anytime. For instance:
2019 National Championship players -
VIRGINIA -
Diakite - JR
Clark - FR
Guy - JR
Jerome - JR
Hunter - SO
Key - JR
Salt - SR
Huff - SO
TEXAS TECH
Owens - SR
Mooney - SR
Culver - SO
Moretti - SO
Odiase - SR
Francis - SR
Edwards - SR
Corprew - SO
Sorry this is so long-winded, but this really jumps out at me. Each team had one Freshman, Virginia had 2 sophomores and TT had three, but all the rest are Juniors and Seniors. To my limited knowledge, none of those players were players that Duke, Kentucky, UNC or any other blue bloods were really slobbering over.
I donāt know - maybe it doesnāt mean anything. But it does to me.
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@nuleafjhawk think some of those guys transferred in?
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@nuleafjhawk Of the four transfers on Texas Techās roster, three played prominent roles as the Red Raiders knocked off Michigan State 61-51 in the Final Four on Saturday night at U.S. Bank Stadium.
Fifth-year senior guard Matt Mooney, a grad transfer from South Dakota, scored a team-high 22 points in the win. Another grad transfer from St. Johnās, forward Tariq Owens, came back from an ankle injury to finish with seven points, four rebounds and three blocked shots in 22 minutes.
Senior guard Brandone Francis, a conventional transfer from Florida, had nine points and two assists in 25 minutes off the bench.
āIt says a lot about our culture, the things we have down there in Lubbock (Texas),ā Francis said. āEveryone is family.ā
Swingman DeShawn Corprew, a JUCO college transfer from South Plains College, played just two minutes off the bench against Michigan State but is averaging 5.3 points and 3.5 rebounds off the bench for Texas Tech.
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@nuleafjhawk Yeah, itās how you win a championship. You have a core of talented āprogramā guys (3-4 year players). Then you sprinkle in 1 and 2 year talent at a couple of positions. Thatās how KU won in ā08, thatās how āNova won both of their championships, itās how UK won their one championship under Cal (that and Anthony freakinā Davis was the one year player they sprinkled in). Poor timing too, KU got hot in the tournament and wouldāve picked up a title in another year.
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@dylans did you see my post?
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@dylans Only two teams have won an NCAA title since Self has been at KU, with a OAD player, and those are UK in 2012 and Duke in 2015.
Iām wordsmithing here ā One year talent leaves after one year. An OAD. A presumed OAD is one that is assumed to leave going into the year. Just kind of how I think the terms are used. I donāt know if you agree on the definitions there.
You mentioned one and two year ātalent.ā KU didnāt have a one year talent. Rush didnāt leave after one year. Not an OAD and thus not a one year talent (but I get the argument on the knee injury, but he stayed three years). He was a presumed OAD though.
KU, of course, did have two year talent in Arthur. I think the two year talent point is good one. Three year is probably the best range, because they ramp up to NBA level talent.
I guess my point is that out of all the years that Self has been at KU, only two teams have won a NC with actual guys that are OADs. The OADs in those instances were also presumed OADS.
I wonder, and I know I looked at this a few years ago, what are the teams that won NCs with presumed OADs that stayed into their second, third, fourth seasons like KU did with Rush? Nobody on Novaās two NCs, UNC, and VA were presumed OADs that hung around, right?
Duke has three projected top 10 picks, all presumed OAD, and no FF to show for it.
Of course, teams can NOT win the NC with third and fourth year talent, as weāve seen here. Even with really good upper classmen.
But it just seems obvious. SKIP PRESUMED OADs. As a strong general rule ā They are bad for your program. They bring drama. They create an environment that is not focused on the team achievement. They simply donāt deliver. The evidence is undeniable.
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Man we for sure have a plague. - - With all the activity showing up on 247 today - -5 CBāS today for Stanley to Duke - -and now see 4 CBāS today with Beverly to Georgia - -and the GOOD NEWS just keeps rolling in - -hell it might come down to me tell my buddy who is in a chair to go try out could make it as a starter. - Iām mean he is only 67 yrs old and on disability - could be a real stud
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The bags are flowing in Georgia.
Stanley never gave the vibe he would be here. Nothing new with those types.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The bags are flowing in Georgia.
Stanley never gave the vibe he would be here. Nothing new with those types.
all this is telling me is - -that these schools are REALLY playing THIS FBI AND NCAA thing to the hilt
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@HighEliteMajor Iām 100% in agreement with your position on the OADās. You seem like a very bright guy and Iām a regular schmuck, but why is it that people like you and I can see how blatantly obvious it is that the OADās are bad for college basketball and the āexpertsā, the coaches and administrators and the people that do this for a living are blind to it?
It blows my frickin regular schmuck mind.
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because while you and I are watching the game, we donāt see the $$$$ under the table.
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@nuleafjhawk I think great players are great for basketball. I think OAD factories are bad for a program. And I think the OAD rule by the NBA needs done away. Kids that show out could still go pro after a year and it would save us from a bunch of Grimesā that were pre-determined to go even after a lackluster season.
Coaches are always going to go after the top talent. Talented rosters can win games even with coaching mistakes. (i.e.Scott Drew or Cunzo w/ Porter)
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Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind heāll be a better pro
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind heāll be a better pro
Hurt looks like a multi year guy to me. I donāt see the frame or athleticism yetā¦ but thatās just one mans opinion.
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Hurt could use hudy
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Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind heāll be a better pro
Hurt looks like a multi year guy to me. I donāt see the frame or athleticism yetā¦ but thatās just one mans opinion.
Heāll be a one and done but I agree heāll take awhile to find his role. I like the Keith Van Horn comp
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Man Bill would love coaching Precious.
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Hurt may get the bolden bench time
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@Crimsonorblue22 or the ultimate K treatment. Play matador D and chuck 3ās
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Memphis should kick some butt. Not impressed w/penny, but wiseman
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Memphis should kick some butt. Not impressed w/penny, but wiseman
Dude. Sometimes I look at Evan Daniels tweet that KU was a real threat for Wiseman and I think of happier days. I didnāt believe it but it was fun to think about.
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@HighEliteMajor @nuleafjhawk too bad JoJo wasnāt on a championship team. I have a hard time saying no JoJo, though the odds of a non presumed OAD who doesnāt protect the goods and becomes a OAD and perennial NBA all star seems very very low. Nothing wrong with a non presumed OAD becoming one.
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I think we have a good shot at Precious, If we can get another guard possibly a grad transfer. I think we will be good to compete for the conference title again. Iām not gonna go after anyone but some of my inside sources are saying addition by subtraction with a couple of the guys that left is the case.
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poster off the Phog brings up valid point. - -He said that Duke is not gong to get Hurt and Stanley both.
His reasoning , the return of the players that Duke has on Scholarship at perimeter: -Baker - - -Jack White - - Wendall Moore - - Alex OāConnell - -Boogie Ellis - -Goldwire - - Tre Jones
Wendall Moore is a McDonald - player -Then Tre returning - and Boogie Ellis just a few number below Stanley. - They might be able to Sell Hurt on PF - -BUT how you gonna sell Stanley playing time with the players they are returning at his spot
Makes Sense - he can go there and compete for some Minutes - -OR walk into Kansas and pretty much have those minutes at his disposal. I donāt know - -ya I mean Duke is Duke but they got in very late on this while once again Ku been on him for quite some time and a West Coast kid traveling clear across country to play - a lot less of a chance parents get to attend as many games? - I still think we have a legit shot at him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Stanley knows Hurt is going there so he wouldnāt be visiting if he wasnāt ok with the roster situation. I think Duke will land both.
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Woodrow said:
Stanley knows Hurt is going there so he wouldnāt be visiting if he wasnāt ok with the roster situation. I think Duke will land both.
itās not Hurt that Stanley has to worry about - -really crowded at Stanleyās position - I donāt think they get both
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I think they get bothā¦Duke is becoming the OAD factory.
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Agreed. Dukeās cash machine seems very well oiled. I think they get both.
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We might also consider that OADs like Duke because, as weāve seen, ESPN provides over the top coverage of Duke. Also seemed that way with coach Cal and UK.
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@HighEliteMajor today at UVAs celebration they played this yearās one shining moment video and replaced the seven Zion and Morant clips with highlights from all the UVA players
