Knocking Off 'Nova
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@jayballer73 but, but we keep beating good teams, not playing our best and short handed. Lots of room to grow!
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 By this time last year, we had lost by 9 to Washington, and lost by 10 to Arizona St in back to back games. the very next game, we beat Nebraska by 1 point. We were 1 point away from losing 3 in a row. I feel like last year turned out pretty good. One thing we seem to do well is fight and compete, because we’ve played and beat some pretty good teams so far. The way conference is shaping up, it might end up being easier than what we’re facing non-conf.
I will agree with you to some things for sure buddy. - - The thing about it is - - we have been in tight ball games most the year – we have played form behind a lot - -this HAS to help us in Conference or in ANY game as far as that goes - -be like ho hum - here we are again lol - -but your right they don’t give up - just keep digging.
Still think we gonna have some battles though for sure in conference - -I think Tech is looking pretty dam tough - K-Straight - might give us some issues in cow town - -plus you have to think SURELY were gonna get things rolling later lots of room for improvement - -yet - -some how - -some way - -we are 9-0 - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Imagine sitting this close to a stud! Mahomes is so lucky!!!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer73 but, but we keep beating good teams, not playing our best and short handed. Lots of room to grow!
exactly - - we ARE winning - -winning ugly - -but were winning , - -if we can get some things straightened then will be in much better shape
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A closer look.
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@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.
I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.
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BShark said:
Imagine sitting this close to a stud! Mahomes is so lucky!!!
Former Texas Tech Stud - - NOW converted - - /KANSAS STUD lol. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Big Clyde52 said:
@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.
I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.
You are impressed with the B12? I’m definitely not. Not saying KU coasts to wins a bunch by any means but…
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@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby.
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby.
OH DAM – didn’t even notice the 1st time isn’t that Tyrell?. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Not that impressed. Just know they are damn tired of us winning it. So we are going to get 18 best shots from them all. We always do. I am hoping these grinder games now will toughen us for the onslaught. And please no more injuries or suspensions.
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@jayballer73 Sure is my man.
@Big-Clyde52 Understandable, I’m just not sure there is a great challenger to KU. Maybe ISU when they have all their guys but I do think Self is a better coach than Prohm.
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@jayballer73 One of the hard parts of getting used to Bill Self was his penchant to win ugly, tight games. It took me years to like that after having Roy as coach. Roy would flambé teams. 150-95. Bill would’ve won that game by 7. That 2012 run cemented it. Bad ball.
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@Big-Clyde52 I don’t see conference being tough. Imo, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if there are only two ranked B12 teams in the Top 25 by the end of conference. Who knows, though. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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I assume Coach Self encourages Garrett to actively look for his shot on offense and to take it. I love his defense, but can KU afford to give him 37 minutes of playing time when he’s such a liability on the offensive end. 1 point today on 0/4 FG, 0/2 from 3, 4 rbs. 1 TO, but 3 assists, 4 steals and 1 block. The kid is everywhere, but I just wish he didn’t set up in the corners on offense. I think he’s better in the paint for rebounding.
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Look closer. Former KU hoops player nearby.
OH DAM – didn’t even notice the 1st time isn’t that Tyrell?. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Ya , good looking out. v- -like I said when I saw the pic the 1st time I was just looking at Ol boy - -then when you mentioned - -sure enough - -he was a pretty decent player too. - Let’s see he played High School ball in Burlington right?
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While conference opponents knock each other out. KU just wins, night in and night out. Every round of games 1/2 the conference picks up an L, but only rarely is it KU. By the end of the conference season we know how it’ll shake out.
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KUSTEVE said:
@Big-Clyde52 I don’t see conference being tough. Imo, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if there are only two ranked B12 teams in the Top 25 by the end of conference. Who knows, though. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I’d bet on three ranked teams. Seems about right.
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TexasTech, KU, and …
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dylans said:
TexasTech, KU, and …
One of ISU/KSU.
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@BShark I would add TCU. They have at least 4-5 guys that shoot the 3 pretty well. On a hot night can beat anyone. ISU pretty darn good. K-state everyone back. TTech very good. OU better this year. UT who knows? WV and OSU tough road games.
We need to win all home games and enough on the road. As @dylans said, teams will knock each other off, then we can sneak in.
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K State sucks.
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@BShark my sister in law was just a little ways down from him.
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I love this win so much. Only two guys on our team leave the locker room. Our big man is on the bench. Our other big man is in NCAA prison. Nova’s best players both have great games. We don’t hit FT’s. We make countless bonehead plays down the stretch. We still beat the defending champs and remain unbeaten. RCJH.
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I’ll be honest I find myself wishing Sam had stayed and Moore left.
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 By this time last year, we had lost by 9 to Washington, and lost by 10 to Arizona St in back to back games. the very next game, we beat Nebraska by 1 point. We were 1 point away from losing 3 in a row. I feel like last year turned out pretty good. One thing we seem to do well is fight and compete, because we’ve played and beat some pretty good teams so far. The way conference is shaping up, it might end up being easier than what we’re facing non-conf.
Excellent points. We haven’t played great ball yet and we are undefeated with victories over some real good teams. I feel good about that. We will get better.
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Didn’t care much for Jay Bilas’ commentary today.
Didn’t care much for Jay Wright’s bonus timeouts at the end of the game.
Happy that the Jay Hawks won.
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Big Clyde52 said:
@KUSTEVE Conference will be a bear. And this team is not as good as last years team. If DLawson or Vick has an off game, we are very beatable by quite a few teams.
I can not express my disappointment in Q and Charlie enough. I am in hopes that one or both will come around and live up to the hype. Plus if Doke gets back and becomes a force, we may just have a special season. Right now is helter skelter and just getting by.
Interesting how people view past teams in retrospect. Many were saying last December that last years team wouldn’t make the tournament or win the Big 12. Again, pretty silly to make all these statements in December, don’t you think?
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Since margin of victory is now a factor on the NET ranking, I did some math and was surprised our average MOV is 9.56/game. Since every team KU has played has been competitive at some point and several games have come down to the wire, I thought the average MOV was less.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I’m undefeated in AFH
Let’s put you on a bus in March, like the 88 team did with bus driver…
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@bskeet I’ve never been to a post season game.
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kjayhawks said:
I’ll be honest I find myself wishing Sam had stayed and Moore left.
Hell no.
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Bill self is aging better than jay wrong
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@HawkChamp Which statements are silly? Q and Charlie? Or this team is not as good? I just do not believe this team is as good as last years. We lost three terrific shooters, two of which were senior leaders. We have none of that kind of fire power now, except for Vick going off occasionally. DLawson is trying to fill the gap lately. Just my opinion.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’ve been to one postseason game, in the Superdome 2012! Wish we could have pulled that one off of course.
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@wissox that’s where my avi came from
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@Big-Clyde52 Another way to look at it is how may pros were on the team last year vs. this. We lost 2 NBA players and 1 2nd tier pro. Replaced with maybe 1 2nd tier pro and a couple guys who are just not very good basketball players. Moore is slow, small, and makes bad decisions. Grimes may be Sean Pearson 2.0. Dedric is a terrific college player who will play overseas.
We are very overrated at this stage. However, don’t forget how much progress we usually make over Christmas break. The genius will be going into his laboratory in just a few days and his track record proves he will come out with some new weird science that results in hoops greatness.
But overall I agree, we just dont have nearly as talented players this year.
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@Fightsongwriter looking at it that way doesn’t matter as much, really. College and the pros are two different games. Plus, it’s amazing how much of a different tune folks are singing in hindsight, when early on everyone was saying there was NO CHANCE last years team could anything they accomplished. The overreactions in December are rearing their ugly head once again, and we’ve already beat four ranked teams and are 9-0 for the first time since 2010-2011 season.
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@Big-Clyde52 Oh yeah…we’re doing terrible. Woe is us…
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@KUSTEVE No one said we are doing terrible. Hell we are 9-0. That sure isn’t terrible. But what would our record be without several career games by Vick? Or a couple by DLawson? Just worried that if one or both have an off night, who is going to step up?
My hope is that they both keep playing well along with Devon, and Doke gets back 100%. Then if Q can get it going during conference, we should have a very successful season. A miracle would be to add SDS in the second half. Fingers crossed.
If we can get by ASU, we may enter the Big 12 undefeated. I worry that a lot of people are underestimating our conference. KSU took a possible blow last night, but Baylor showed what they can do. Hope I am wrong, but think it will be a grind. My opinion only.
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These are normal games for Dedric actually he is amazing.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich - during the last “consultation” Villanova took during a KU free throw attempt, the look on the ref’s face was quite stern. He was almost angry but didn’t assess a technical against Villanova. Too bad.
@jayballer73 - you Know Mahomes will be in Lawrence for the TTU game. Any guesses on the colors he wears? Or will he go straight for Chiefs colors?
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Wright deserved a tech imo.
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Gorilla72 said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich - during the last “consultation” Villanova took during a KU free throw attempt, the look on the ref’s face was quite stern. He was almost angry but didn’t assess a technical against Villanova. Too bad.
@jayballer73 - you Know Mahomes will be in Lawrence for the TTU game. Any guesses on the colors he wears? Or will he go straight for Chiefs colors?
ohhhh that’s a very interesting question - – lol - - - maybe he will just opt for something neutral - - like you said quite possibly Chiefs - -cause ya - -he will for sure be there for that game. - - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY
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Yesterday we had our early Christmas party for those that will be away for the actual Christmas party so I was able to watch most of the game while welcoming guests but unable to post during the game.
Here are some of my observations…
First, the sky is not falling. KU is doing well and progressing slowly but surely. It is easy to win the big blowouts but its is harder to win the close ones and KU had done it while playing the toughest schedule of any top 25 team and is still unbeaten…while KU keeps on winning…
Only 2 returning players with significant experience and trying to merge 4 new players is not always easy, particularly when your top big is out and the second big is in limbo and unable to play…while KU keeps on winning…
We all though, particularly after the Michigan State game, that Grimes would be the best player in the team and after that game he practically disappeared and the hope is that he will reappear with a bang…while KU keeps on winning…
Dedric has merged nicely and is playing like we thought he could, Dotson has probably exceeded expectations and Marcus is stud on defense. On the other hand, K.J., Moore and Grimes and to an extent Big Dave have yet to fully integrate with the team…while KU keeps on winning…
The defense has also gotten better. in the last 6 games opponents shot: Marquette 41.7% and 45.2%, Tennessee 41.3% and 25.9%, Stanford 44.4% and 35.3%, Wofford 26.2% and 19.2%, New Mexico State 45.5% and 26.9% and Villanova 40.7% and 28.6%. It is obvious that KU is still a work in progress with Coach Self trying to find the optimal lineups for the various opponents with varying degrees of success…while KU keeps on winning…
KU is mostly playing now at what I would consider 60%-70% of potential and, while I don’t expect them to ever get to 100% which no team ever does except for short spurts, when they get to the 80%-90% the team will be extremely good…while KU keeps on winning…
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like many KU players are passing up shots to feed Dedrick and LaGerald. It’s not showing up as an assist but the ball is consistently moved until those two get a touch…
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@Gorilla72 I think you are right, they have said that too. Feed the hot hand. D Lawson was scoring at will and Vick was the hot hand.
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@JayHawkFanToo I really liked Self’s halftime talk about the initial half-court defense being really good, and that Nova only really hit their threes off of rebounds and kickouts. It’s very exciting to see us defend the 3 well. We do seem to be rotating a lot better.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@bskeet I’ve never been to a post season game.
Hmm… this could explain some things!
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Big Clyde52 said:
@ I just do not believe this team is as good as last years. We lost three terrific shooters, two of which were senior leaders. We have none of that kind of fire power now, except for Vick going off occasionally. DLawson is trying to fill the gap lately. Just my opinion.
I feel the urge to agree. However, I have to catch myself and try to consider how to make a fair assessment. Here are some things I think are influencing my evaluation:
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Last year’s team had Silvio and Doke. They are still on this team, but neither is playing. If they play, the team would be better. If/when they do, both have a year more experience than last year.
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I am using current data against the team that finished strong with a conference and regional final championship. It’s still just December. Trying to remember how the team was last year about this time. We were relying pretty heavily on Graham and Svi. Newman was a non-factor until conference, IIRC.
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The vacancies were filled by less experienced players, but with ceilings as high or possibly higher. Dotson is not Graham, but seems to have found a groove already. His performance as a freshmen has been impressive, but no where near as potent offensively as Graham.
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Vick is much more lethal than last year, shooting better than anyone I can recall since Terry Brown and Ron Kellogg. Not sure if he completely fill’s Svi’s shoes as a slasher, and certainly not as a defender, but there is room for improvement. Vick’s athleticism continues to amaze. That bodes well for some moment in the future when he decides to play lock-down defense.
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DLawson is unlike anyone we had last year.
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Garrett and Lightfoot are a year older and both seem improved.
This team is less experienced as a group, less consistent and not as strong defensively as the team last year. And it’s short-handed.
But the deficiencies are things that could be resolved through the season and, in almost every category, we could be better.
So we’re not yet better, but this team could be better than a final four team, and that’s encouraging to me.
Short version: glass is half full.
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