The les miles effect in recruiting
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jayballer73 said:
From Jayhawk slant: - -Phone was ringing all day from area high school Coach’s - - -Dirk Wedd was spotted in several local High Schools representing the Jayhawks - - Stops in Blue valley - - Bishop Meige - -Shawnee Mission north - - -Shawnee Mission East - - sound pretty sweet. - -Yet my question is - - Who is Dirk Wedd? - -Anybody help me? - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
This is a critical step in rebuilding the program. While some may think I am down on Kansas HS football (I am not), having those local ties is critically important. We need to repair the bridges that were burned in the past, largely by Charlie Weis.
We need to do the same on the Missouri side of the metro area. KU also needs to have a stronger presence in the Wichita area.
Instate talent won’t be the base - Kansas simply doesn’t produce enough D1 talent year in and year out to do that, even if KU were to land every prospect each year. But it can act as a starting point.
Outrecruiting K-State, Mizzou, Iowa and Nebraska in the KC metro area is the first step. Securing Wichita from the Oklahoma schools is step 2.
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@justanotherfan Very true, I think Kansas usually has about 5 or 6 D1 guys in the average class. Most of those guys are at KSU or OU it seems.
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I was under the impression that KU needed to bring 15-20 recruits and it is not even close to that number so scholarships should not be an issue. KU needs able bodies and a high caliber 1 year graduate transfer would be the perfect band aid.
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justanotherfan said:
jayballer73 said:
From Jayhawk slant: - -Phone was ringing all day from area high school Coach’s - - -Dirk Wedd was spotted in several local High Schools representing the Jayhawks - - Stops in Blue valley - - Bishop Meige - -Shawnee Mission north - - -Shawnee Mission East - - sound pretty sweet. - -Yet my question is - - Who is Dirk Wedd? - -Anybody help me? - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
This is a critical step in rebuilding the program. While some may think I am down on Kansas HS football (I am not), having those local ties is critically important. We need to repair the bridges that were burned in the past, largely by Charlie Weis.
We need to do the same on the Missouri side of the metro area. KU also needs to have a stronger presence in the Wichita area.
Instate talent won’t be the base - Kansas simply doesn’t produce enough D1 talent year in and year out to do that, even if KU were to land every prospect each year. But it can act as a starting point.
Outrecruiting K-State, Mizzou, Iowa and Nebraska in the KC metro area is the first step. Securing Wichita from the Oklahoma schools is step 2.
very true and I think when Les said he was making it a priority to recruit , check out the Kansas kids - -this is a Coach that is actually following through, and repair and reconnect with Kansas high schools - -Kids and Coach’s - -Coach’s of these kids play an important role in this too.
If you turn a Coach off or ignore possible recruits that he thinks might have a chance - -you snub him - -then it can turn South in a hurry and then the word spreads - -Gonna take a lot to reconnect and then when there are some really sweet kids - -GOOD LUCK.
I Think Les ins in the know enough he knows how it works - -he says it - - he is doing it - -AL READY LOVE THIS GUY
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I’d like to see us hit Denver, St. Louis, Memphis, NW Arkansas and Minneapolis hard recruiting. It gets back to Les saying he’ll have a radius to build a base from. There definitely won’t be enough Kansas/Metro Area kids to build a base from. But building relationships in these other cities could provide us a solid pipeline to tap.
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Has anyone heard any news of anyone transferring out of the program? I haven’t I am just curious
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This kid might be the 1st diamond in the ruff hes only played 1 yr but hes got huge upside http://www.hudl.com/profile/10186445/Dajon-Terry
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@Kcmatt7 is there good football recruiting in Denver?
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@dylans It is a great place to steal some kids, because Colorado doesn’t dominate the area. Just like Missouri doesn’t dominate St. Louis. A major Metro area without much hometown loyalty is the perfect place to build some connections and poach a player or two every season.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d like to see us hit Denver, St. Louis, Memphis, NW Arkansas and Minneapolis hard recruiting. It gets back to Les saying he’ll have a radius to build a base from. There definitely won’t be enough Kansas/Metro Area kids to build a base from. But building relationships in these other cities could provide us a solid pipeline to tap.
The Denver metro could yield 1 or 2 a year.
St. Louis will be a competitive spot, but they usually turn out a fair number of D1 recruits, so you might be able to get 1 or 2 a year from there.
Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn’t turn out a ton of talent, but again, if you build some good relationships, that’s another place to find a little talent.
Memphis is super competitive with the SEC recruiting, but you can do as well there as New Orleans, so that could be a secondary spot.
Houston and Dallas are good targets, because you have to compete there to compete in the Big 12.
All told, if you can get 4-5 in each class from Denver/STL/MPLS area, plus 4-5 more from Memphis/New Orleans/NW Arkansas and 5-6 more from Dallas/Houston, you can get your 3 or 4 Kansas/KC area kids to round out a nice 18 or 19 man class.
Broken down like that, its very doable. But you have to have a pretty wide radius of recruiting to pull that off.
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Don’t forget Ohio, it is consistently among the top 5 states in producing top HS football prospects.
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@Kcmatt7 I see, I was thinking more genetics and aptitude. I spend a little (very little) time there every year and it never inspires thoughts of football for me. I’m usually downtown and it’s all scrawny somewhat rich people looking like they need a meal, though. -I know it’s not all like that- I’ve never looked at it through a football lens. Not doubting there are recruits to be had, just not a place I would have thought to look.
My stereotypes are old fashioned, I guess. Look for a good farm kid with a big frame. He knows how to work and take a beating already, just teach him football (small town in the Midwest pretty much anywhere). So I don’t think of Denver much, even though it’s got well over a million people in the metro area. No reason there shouldn’t be a recruit or two a year for KU, but I’m betting Les spends more efforts recruiting south and east than that far west given his reputation in the geography.
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dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 I see, I was thinking more genetics and aptitude. I spend a little (very little) time there every year and it never inspires thoughts of football for me. I’m usually downtown and it’s all scrawny somewhat rich people looking like they need a meal, though. -I know it’s not all like that- I’ve never looked at it through a football lens. Not doubting there are recruits to be had, just not a place I would have thought to look.
My stereotypes are old fashioned, I guess. Look for a good farm kid with a big frame. He knows how to work and take a beating already, just teach him football (small town in the Midwest pretty much anywhere). So I don’t think of Denver much, even though it’s got well over a million people in the metro area. No reason there shouldn’t be a recruit or two a year for KU, but I’m betting Les spends more efforts recruiting south and east than that far west given his reputation in the geography.
You’re not wrong lol. I mean they probably only have 8-10 P5 caliber guys a season. But it’s something.
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Florida, Texas and California have by far the most recruits, add Georgia and Ohio and between those 5 states you have likely more recruits than the rest of the country combined.
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justanotherfan said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d like to see us hit Denver, St. Louis, Memphis, NW Arkansas and Minneapolis hard recruiting. It gets back to Les saying he’ll have a radius to build a base from. There definitely won’t be enough Kansas/Metro Area kids to build a base from. But building relationships in these other cities could provide us a solid pipeline to tap.
The Denver metro could yield 1 or 2 a year.
St. Louis will be a competitive spot, but they usually turn out a fair number of D1 recruits, so you might be able to get 1 or 2 a year from there.
Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn’t turn out a ton of talent, but again, if you build some good relationships, that’s another place to find a little talent.
Memphis is super competitive with the SEC recruiting, but you can do as well there as New Orleans, so that could be a secondary spot.
Houston and Dallas are good targets, because you have to compete there to compete in the Big 12.
All told, if you can get 4-5 in each class from Denver/STL/MPLS area, plus 4-5 more from Memphis/New Orleans/NW Arkansas and 5-6 more from Dallas/Houston, you can get your 3 or 4 Kansas/KC area kids to round out a nice 18 or 19 man class.
Broken down like that, its very doable. But you have to have a pretty wide radius of recruiting to pull that off.
Bingo. EXACTLY my thoughts. A couple here. A couple there. Before you know it you’re at 20.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Don’t forget Ohio, it is consistently among the top 5 states in producing top HS football prospects.
To me, it isn’t that St. Louis or Memphis aren’t competitive. They are. But they are competitive in a way that lacks loyalty.
Ohio recruiting is ran by Ohio State first and foremost. Then it has a pretty clear pecking order. Michigan State. Kentucky. Cincinatti. And then throw in Notre Dame and Penn State to pick off a few. Purdue after that. Iowa State makes some noise.
It just seems like a place where it would be hard to find connections. But I suppose landing a player or two from there each year wouldn’t be an outrageous thought. There are around 70 kids that would be intriguing.
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justanotherfan said:
Broken down like that, its very doable. But you have to have a pretty wide radius of recruiting to pull that off.
It does seem like Les is casting a pretty wide recruiting net based on hires. And like he might be going after the Denver area with the two Colorado hires.
I’ll definitely be interested to see who else he ends up picking up on the staff. I think it will be very telling.
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I hadn’t looked yet, but it definitely looks like Chevis Jackson has Georgia recruiting ties. 7 of the recruits he got to Ball State were from Georgia.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I hadn’t looked yet, but it definitely looks like Chevis Jackson has Georgia recruiting ties. 7 of the recruits he got to Ball State were from Georgia.
All the assistant hires have been for damn good reason.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I hadn’t looked yet, but it definitely looks like Chevis Jackson has Georgia recruiting ties. 7 of the recruits he got to Ball State were from Georgia.
All the assistant hires have been for damn good reason.
Yea Les is no dummy.
It also helps that Les has former players he can tap as well as just being Les freaking Miles. An advantage that no other KU coach in history has ever had. Being able to attract this type of coaching talent is a skill that can’t be taught.
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@Kcmatt7 basically took the words off my keyboard. Without a clear link to Ohio, it will be tough to beat out (in some order) Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Kentucky, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Indiana and Purdue. And that doesn’t include Cincinnati, West Virginia and then close to home options like Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, etc. for the three star that wants to stay in the area. That’s a hard hill to climb, and KU does not, at least not yet, have a link to Ohio.
We have a link to Louisiana. Without Hull (and now Miles), we would not be getting these guys from Louisiana. LSU, Alabama, Texas A&M, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arkansas, etc. would be taking those players.
I’d love for KU to get into Ohio (and Florida, Georgia, California), but we honestly don’t have the connections to win a lot of those battles right now. We do have the connections to get guys from the areas mentioned yesterday, and that’s how you can rebuild the program. Then you can reach into Ohio.
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I’m so happy to see these football boards talking about us recruiting the traditional football hot spots. The past several years we’re happy to get a couple of good walk ons and maybe a guy from Hutch Juco or somewhere.
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Donte Starks twitter is KU strong atm. Makes me think he is KU bound???
https://twitter.com/donte_starks8/status/1071536061514477568
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Benton Smith
@BentonASmith 20m 20 minutes ago
More KU announces Les Miles has hired Mike Ekeler as special teams coordinator. Last job was at UNC as LBs coach. Ekeler worked with Miles at LSU.
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@nuleafjhawk hey now on hutch juco!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Not a slam on them at all !!
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https://www.lubbockonline.com/news/20181212/desoto-receiver-breaks-tech-commitment
La’Vontae Shenault 4 star Wide Receiver re-opens recruitment. His lead recruiter at TT was KU’s new WR coach Emmett Jones.
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Looks like Les has filled 7 of the open coaching positions at this time. I am wondering if he will leave room to retain Hull, and at what capacity. Sounds like he is still working hard for KU. Hope it pays big dividends. Only 3 positions left to fill.
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Boy grabbing Starks would be a coup. 5 days.
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I heard at coffee this morning that the new Kitty coach would be in Lawrence tomorrow to talk with a couple Free State boys. This info from some kstate fans. Does anyone know who they might be? And is our staff in contact with them also? Sure hope we do not let them come into our home town and steal our kids. Especially if they are D1 worthy. DAMN!!!
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Big Clyde52 said:
I heard at coffee this morning that the new Kitty coach would be in Lawrence tomorrow to talk with a couple Free State boys. This info from some kstate fans. Does anyone know who they might be? And is our staff in contact with them also? Sure hope we do not let them come into our home town and steal our kids. Especially if they are D1 worthy. DAMN!!!
you can take it to the bank that the two he will be talking to is the one that is already committed to KSU- - what’s his name ( Garber or is it Barber & Dineen) – the talk has been since Synder resigned -that KU was trying to get Barber to flip - -there has been talk of him and Dineen wanting to be a package. - -Man I would think with Jax’s brother playing here he would want to come also - -it he comes to KU then the other might come here to with the other free state guys on the roster.
That is the two you can almost bet is the one’s he is coming to talk to - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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You know I almost think - -Coach is filling his staff - -wanting to fill his staff and announcing his staff - -THEN he will come out and announce Tony. - -I think Tony already knows that he has been retained - -Coach more then likely already told him - -everything been settled. - -Les just wanting to announce the others first , then let it be known about Tony - - Coach will get the other 9 signed - -I just think Tony is here. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Have to find a role for him. He’s here, just don’t know what his title will be. At least that is my best guess.
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@jayballer73 Thanks. I do remember them saying the name Keenan Garber. Agree it looks like Dineen would want to follow his brothers.
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@jayballer73 I hope you and @kcmatt7 are right. He is still out there recruiting for us, which is great. But he is probably still under contract until Feb. like the other coaches.
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Big Clyde52 said:
@jayballer73 Thanks. I do remember them saying the name Keenan Garber. Agree it looks like Dineen would want to follow his brothers.
Not really sure how this is going to turn out , I was thinking we had a good shot with these guys, but again have been reading and AGAIN it’s just a he said - - she said like a bunch of ol ladies gossiping but , just read to day that supposedly - - Les didn’t want to offer Jax a scholarship but KU wanted him to walk on - - hearing that the Dineen family wasn’t reeving that to well. seeing that they had 2 other Dineen’s already play for us at KU
I guess the new KSU coach has had an in home visit with Jax and the family – went pretty well - -and THEY offered a full ride stressing that fullback was a part of their offensive set. - -Then I guess North Dakota or South whichever the hell it was NDS - also had offered a full ride
So with those two schools offering full rides to a walk on that’s not good if true - -you combine that with Garber already giving a verbal to KSU -it could turn out that indeed Jax teams up with Keenan as a package and commits to K-state , again just jibber - - jabber like old ladies how solid info is it? - -I dunno. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well sounds like a pretty sweet opportunity for us on another flip. - - -Keith Miller who had committed to Texas Tech - -just decommitted from Tech.
Of course Jaden Russell out doing his part recruiting for us lol. - -He Tweeted to Miller: ( my boy got that KU offer and realized we are building something special - - - - tweeted to Miller you already one move closer to becoming a Jayhawk not just make the call and the rest is history. - - - Miller responded I hear ya family ) - -so hmmm you never know - -he would re-connect with Jones if he comes here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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SO just to let all doubters thinking we had no chance - - - Dante Starks will decide between LSU -& KU Monday - -so see indeed WE DO have that shot - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 my lsu buddy says hes a wrap to lsu hes the one that told me we would get pooka
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ReggieKansas said:
@jayballer73 my lsu buddy says hes a wrap to lsu hes the one that told me we would get pooka
well guess we shall see- - he is not very happy with their fanbase at all
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Well ya , looks like we might have possibly missed on Dante Starks - -went to the Louisiana Boards and went under their football recruiting - -found the article about commits.
Said in the article Devante on a post/twitter seen where it said Starks was going to sign on National signing day that he changed his mind and on his twitter he stated he was going to be signing @ 8;00 a.m. 12-19 - -at Jalen Ehret High School - -that was tweeted at 11:44 on Dec 14th
Well time to move on - -ew are going to be all right - -thought we had a real shot - -anyways rock chalk all day long baby
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https://twitter.com/Val__jr/status/1073992908049694720
Hard to see Agbaw ending up anywhere but KU…
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@BShark - was this section (from which the video was taken) full of player visitors on OV or Un-OV? The section seemed a bit disinterested, sitting when the rest of the fieldhouse was standing. It was a combination of parents and teens with official badges of some sort.
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Added Ezra Naylor today. Big bodied JUCO WR. For w/e reason, the staff is going HARD after wrs, they must not like what is on the roster already.
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Well have read at least of - Reggie Todd receiving his offer - -a former SEC receiver , - Ray Vchasek was in - – -Justin Ford has closed his recruiting and announcing then the commit Of Naylor.
So we have went from ONE commit to now FIVE - -and we know there will be more - -just interesting to see who that’s gonna be. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Added Ezra Naylor today. Big bodied JUCO WR. For w/e reason, the staff is going HARD after wrs, they must not like what is on the roster already.
And it’s a big need. We’re graduating 4 scholarship WR’s and the returnees are less than inspiring.
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/Val__jr/status/1073992908049694720
Hard to see Agbaw ending up anywhere but KU…
Oh it’s done.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Added Ezra Naylor today. Big bodied JUCO WR. For w/e reason, the staff is going HARD after wrs, they must not like what is on the roster already.
And it’s a big need. We’re graduating 4 scholarship WR’s and the returnees are less than inspiring.
I think he just instantly in love with the environment - -always a big recruiting for us. - -ya it was basketball - -but it NOW can really help us in football to
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I’ve got a question and it doesn’t deal with any one here or AT LEAST I haven’t seen anyone here mention of this.
My question is and a lot of others wondering also - -noticing already there are some that is disappointed at our recruits so far - -not liking the caliber of recruits we pulling in. - -My response to a train of thought like that is - - -WTF
Come on know – let’s get real - - -pull your baggie out - -take a good hit - -then step back - - slap your bitch as and get a really good cold hard dose of what people call – REALITY.
What in the hell are some people thinking? Coach Miles coming in here at this late of stage in recruiting and we have some just insane idiots that just because it’s Les Miles he is ONLY going to land 5 * recruits - - -umm HELLO - - - -Houston - - we have a problem - -for these kind of thinking idiots - -get your head - -out that ass and realize , no matter who the hell you are it’s gonna take time - -just try and remember how sorry this dam program’s shape it’s in
So to thoseof you thinking like that – now Step Back give yourself a good really fricken hard sucker punch to the groin - -and say oh shit guess maybe these others are right. - -He comes in and has to try an assemble a staff - - plus recruit in what like right about 2 months?
I think with the amount of time Les ha had - -assemble staff and then umm let’s go back down memory lane shall we? - - GOOD - -so let’s take a lil looksie back to not that long ago -we had ONE – - -ONE fricken recruit with nothing on the horizon - -and yet now we have FIVE – Five in that short amount of time - -are they 5 * - no - -but for the amount of time Coach has had - -he has done fine
Now you give Les and the Staff a full year to recruit? - -you just sit back - - hide and watch - -see how this guy recruits - - Holy Bat Shit - -I mean GOG - -DOGGIES - - REALLY? --SERIOUSLY? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Just got a commitment from Naylor’s team mate Andrew Parchment. Another WR.
