Well that was fun or was it?
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DoubleDD said:
Seriously who did you walk away with more impressed with?
Remember MU is young and very talented. KU is pretty much set.
Should KU play this type of exhibition type of game? Especially against a team that has the talent to beat and nothing to lose?
Who has more to gain? MU or KU? MU is young and talented so they get the benefit of the doubt. KU is kind of set.
Do feel comfortable playing this MU team in the tournament?
More “impressed” with? uhhh…KU.
I already covered that in my last post. Yes, we should play this type of exhibition.
Who has more to gain? I covered that in my last post, too.
Yes, I feel comfortable playing Misery in the tournament. Hell yes.
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Never be afraid of Missouri!
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HawkChamp
That’s the hope… especially after today.
Bill is going to chew some serious arse over poor rebounding. Also… mediocre defense.
This can be expected before the season, but it helps to have something like this to create the opportunity for Bill to do some heavy correctional coaching.
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So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
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@DoubleDD I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way but saying KU is set and can’t improve could easily be perceived as a knock on Self’s coaching. I think Doke and Billy in particular have much to learn.
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When I said set? Meaning who’s has a higher ceiling to get better?
I don’t know I let you answer it.
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BShark said:
Never be afraid of Missouri!
Your right - -and even more – never be afraid off anyone actually, if your afraid before you step on the floor or better use of words feeling intimidated - -then you’ve lost half the battle before the tip off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@DoubleDD I believe we gained something…playing a competitive game this early is better for our team than not playing the game. However, I would agree (if that is what you are saying) that Mizzou, as a young team, gained more. So what if it helped them more than us? Also, let’s not forget the good cause…
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DoubleDD said:
So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
Damn I don’t feel like a puddy cat lol - -I’m just messin with you man lol. - -The stronger the competition the more it benefits, if it’s in the exhibition so be it. - Helps prep for the regular , exhibition doesn’t go against your record - -so you really llose nothing as far as that goes.
Again what would draw more interest EVERY YEAR in exhibition this type of game - -OR Washburn - - Pittsburg St - -Emporia St - -what draws more hype? - - -Missouri - -OR Washburn? – -Does it have to be a top 25 team every year? - - No - - - But a good solid program even on the fringe just so much more benefit. - -As far as it being MU - -I think you might be putting just a little too much - -reading a little too much so what if it’s Missouri? - - Plus for this - -a benefit for hurricane victims - -can’t go wrong. - - Hell play like an NC St - -or an Boston College or just any other bigger school - -Play a Colorado of if there is a top 25 that wants to play and it works in exhibition I think the fan interest is better tams where at least more of a challenge and helps development playing against beter competition.
There is a reason the players from Washburn - -Pitt St - - Emporia St are at those schools, it’s because they are not as gifted - -not a knock against them but just it is what it is - -you wanna get better - you play against better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
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DoubleDD said:
So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
This was not a regular exhibition game because those have to be against non-Div 1 schools. But if they set up routine charity exhibitions, playing top 25 would be great for KU every season.
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I hear what you are saying but there are two problems.
First, the NCAA granted this one time waiver and it is unlikely that will do it on an-going basis, even for charity, as it would give the team and extra game and an unfair advantage. I really don’t believe you can make it an ongoing yearly charity exhibition game. If the series resumes it will have to be as a regular season game.
Second, you assume MU is a top 25 team which at this time is by no means a certain thing; MU will ride the Porters and other quality recruits for all they are worth and in 3 years Martin moves on and MU goes back to being a dumpster fire.
Just my opinion on the subject and I don’t claim to be right.
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KU playing Washborn, emporia st, and Pitt st are major pay days for these local schools. Now remember KU is a public college. Meaning they receive state money.
So you want KU to get on the wrong side of these schools and the policial structure to play out of state top 25 teams in exhibition games?
I’m just asking?
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One problem with making it a regular exhibition would be we would have to drop one of our others against the small Kansas schools. Those programs benefit from getting their “fodder fee” at AFH.
All in all, a one time event as an exhibition. I have no opinion on whether it becomes a regular matchup–donors might make themselves heard on that. Maybe KC would give each team a million bucks. Then we might see it.
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DoubleDD said:
So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
- Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Not necessarily. I have posted numerous times trying to help you understand.
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DoubleDD said:
So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
Did you not see Exhibition? - -it does not affect your regular season record in any way. - -You get tons more out of the game then playing St Sister Mary’s school for the blind, - -Let me ask you this again - -exactly what do we gain from playing Some boys innermaurel program - - AAU team - - -Washburn teams of that nature? - -We play our in-state Schools more for those Schools - - - NOT us. - -They get a nice paycheck for playing us - -their players get the opportunity to play against some of the elite players in America – what do we get? - Our players don’t gain hardly anything beneficial at all from these type of games.
I’m not saying every exhibition game we play has to be against another top 25 team - -bit they can be against someone of a lot higher stature then those schools. - Makes our players focus better -challenges the players , the Coaches can go back and so them where they need to improve like Coach said yesterday - -he has a lot to show them. - -What is he going to show them against these smaller in state Schools. - -There is no comparison to the advantages they get. - - Not going to hurt our chances of making the Tourney , just gets us better prepared for regular season challenges. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo Nuff said – any questions? - - lmao - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Exhibitions have to be against non-Div 1 schools, so it is unrealistic to expect better teams from larger schools.
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DoubleDD said:
Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.
Last time I checked.
I’m not sure if this is a good thing or not. Seems kinda selfish. It potientally means KU fans had more they were able to donate, but only if given something. Whereas MU fans may have already donated all they could afford.
I still wish KU would’ve played WSU as opposed to selling out. But it’s happened, no one got hurt, and a bunch of blood money was raised for a legitimately good cause.
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@dylans Maybe it just means (1) it was a catalyst for donating due to highlighting attention for the cause, and (2) the much higher success over the past 5 years for KU has resulted in a more involved, larger, and more enthusiastic fan base?
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@mayjay I hope so, but people in general aren’t as good as we’d like them to be. Hell KU fans can’t even get along with each other.
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@dylans I get along with everybody. Unless they insist on being wrong about everything, of course, like my brother!
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@mayjay But you are not everybody.
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@dylans And, fortunately, everybody is/are not I.
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“I still wish KU would’ve played WSU as opposed to selling out.”
Don’t fret it. The word is this fundraiser was a huge success… opening the door for future fundraising “scrimmages.”
Great chance we will play the “Shawkers” someday!
lol
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A few things that have been mentioned by several posters that others seem to overlook.
Exhibition games must be against non Division I programs so that rules out MU as a regular exhibition game. Even it it were allowed, then you would have to restrict the rotation of the smaller Kansas schools for whom this game is the main source of income for the year. The backlash would be huge so it cannot happen.
The game was one-of-a-kind game and thus a waiver was required. Highly unlike the NCAA makes it a routine/on going deal so the game would have to be scheduled as as regular season game. Granting more waivers would open Pandora’s box of trouble and I just don’t see the NCAA going there.
If one game is played yearly, highly unlikely that MU would accept having the game at the Sprint Center. Even when it is in Missouri, the fan base in the KC area is overwhelmingly for KU, thus the game would have to be scheduled as alternating between Lawrence and Columbia. KU would lose the income every time it goes to Columbia and would get no additional income playing in Lawrence since AFH is sold out regardless of opponent. MU would definitely sell out it arena when playing KU, likely the only time it does; net advantage MU. KU would be financially better off having another program to come and play at AFH. More importantly, does KU really want to go and play in Columbia? Do we not remember the horror stories from playing there? KU played there because it had to, not it does not.
At this time, it looks like MU will have a decent team after years of absolutely horrible teams. The first two years in the SEC its record was 11-7, tied for fifth (NCAA first round) and 9-9 , tied for 6th (NIT second round) with players left over from the Big 12 days. The last 3 season alone MU’s conference record is a putrid 8-46 finishin last, last and tied for last in the SEC. Had KU played them all these years, the scores would have been very lopsided and would have hurt KU’s RPI big time. There are no assurances that MU will stay relevant after the current novelty of a new coach and nepotism based class wears out and Martin leaves after the customary 3 years of declining success. KU would be well served to wait at least wait until the MU program has shown it can stay relevant for a few years and before the second stint of coach Kim Anderson starts.
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@JayHawkFanToo You hit the nail on the head. You clearly defined the risks for Kansas getting involved with MU as a yearly rivalry game. The same logic applies to WSU fans, though some of that may be wearing off with them making several consecutive tournaments and upping their conference level competition. All these people touting this game as awesome (it was fun) are neglecting the fact that KU v MU games since they left for the SEC would have been garbage. It wouldn’t be tough competition/top 25 level games, it wouldn’t be prepping for bright lights and UK. It would have been either a ho hum blow out or an excruciating upset.
KU consistently holds up the rest of the Big 12 in basketball and has for years. So if any teams bail for more football money (fair enough, we aren’t holding up our end of the bargain there), they shouldn’t expect “charity” games from KU even if they are literally for charity!
As far as rivalries go, I am growing to hate ISU a bit. But I’ve always thought our best shot was UT getting their act together in basketball. Shaka Smart is easy for KU fans to dislike, UT fans do usually show up for the KU game at least.
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@JayHawkFanToo I think they could have a game in KC every year, but sell tickets with the same allocation to each school as was done here. I think that even atmosphere was what made it more fun. Of course, people would try to find resellers and that could skew things. I think it is much more doable than a home game every 2 years–home and home worked in conference but I think it is unworkable when spread out.
And a neutral ticket policy would also keep it closer to a postseason simulation.
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Unless they change the way money is allocated, it would not benefit KU. Coach Self has indicated that KU makes considerably more money playing at AFH than at the Sprint Center and as you know, money talks.
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Still don’t see the full replay of the game on youtube. When that gets posted it would be great if someone throws it up on KUBuckets.
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@drgnslayr it was on YouTube but was removed.
