Well that was fun or was it?
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I’m not that shallow of a person. Yet I do know that as a fan you love the experience. You love reading articles and watching stuff on your team. Am I wrong? Perception is Everything. Sadly MU painted a picture with a little more seasoning they are to beloved.
So even though KU played the game and won they gained nothing. Well except that our fans are very charitable fans. However I’m not ESPN and the talking heads will remember that.
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Self says he and Martin agreed not to play any zone defense, just man defense every series. Says he didn’t go in with much strategy
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In an exhibition game? I would rather play a team that I know KU can beat. Not play somebody that has the talent and nothing to lose, yet everything to gain.
I get it. It was a major fund raiser type event. I think the last totals were over a couple million. Good stuff.
Yet who really benefited from this game KU or MU?
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Let’s not forget the 7 fouls? LOL
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We gained tremendously. This was 'Tucky prep. Tucky prep is very important. They will be our highest rated opponent- it is essential we win that game. We played someone that challenged us. Absolutely, we have way more to lose- which is why it was important we answered the challenge. Anytime you take on an inferior opponent, the pressure is always on the favorite. You view challenging the team as a bad thing - I look at it as a positive thing.
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Seriously who did you walk away with more impressed with?
Remember MU is young and very talented. KU is pretty much set.
Should KU play this type of exhibition type of game? Especially against a team that has the talent to beat and nothing to lose?
Who has more to gain? MU or KU? MU is young and talented so they get the benefit of the doubt. KU is kind of set.
Do feel comfortable playing this MU team in the tournament?
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DoubleDD said:
In an exhibition game? I would rather play a team that I know KU can beat. Not play somebody that has the talent and nothing to lose, yet everything to gain.
I get it. It was a major fund raiser type event. I think the last totals were over a couple million. Good stuff.
Yet who really benefited from this game KU or MU?
Actually honestly this game is going to benefit KU alot. - - I think it fares better for them, the team gets more out of a game where they are really challenged then playing the Emporia States - -Washburn - -where it’s nothing more then a glorified scrimmage. - -Tests the players right out the chute.
Like Coach said in his post game - -he will be able to go back and show the team a lot of game film and things they have to work on. - -It will help us be better prepared for games against teams like Kentucky and such. - -Missou is going to be ALL RIGHT. - -I just think overall this helps much more then playing against like the one’s we got coming up in your other two exhibitions. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I hope your right. Because I’m telling you. The KU fans that live in the KC area you about to get a big dose of MU basketball.
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@DoubleDD It was an exhibition - - it made for a lot better contest - game condition experience - - overall these types of exhibitions are better makes teams more battle tested, gives more opportunity to really see where you have work to do. - - You really don’t gain much against these other exhibitions. - -Let me in turn ask you , would you rather Billy, and Marcus get game time experience against the likes of the players of Mizzou - -or Washburn - who you think will benefit them the most? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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In non-con games no. They should be tune up games. Think KU just beat a very young an talented MU team and it counts for nothing.
Now KU fans are going to hear how great the MU team can be. You’re not going to hear much about KU and their win.
I just don’t see how KU gained anything from this, other than showing that KU fans are some of the must giving fans of any.
Maybe that is what I should focus on?
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@DoubleDD You keep talking about relief and what teams have to lose. Sounds like KU hoops games might be a difficult experience for you. Hopefully not!
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I’m sorry I didn’t quite understand your post. I’m I bit slow. I’ll need layman terms. No serious I’m not sure what your point is?
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DoubleDD said:
I hope your right. Because I’m telling you. The KU fans that live in the KC area you about to get a big dose of MU basketball.
The question that needs to be asked is - -who benefits more out of this - -The KU players OR the KU fans ? - -Which is more important? - - Ask those same fans which they would rather watch - -KU & Mizzery? - -OR KU & MU?. - - - why even worry about what the Mizzou people say - who cares? - -The way to shut that shit up quick - - What’s the Scoreboard say - -nuff said right? - -whether we beat their ass by 25 - -OR 5 -bottom line KU won - - bottom line was way more beneficial, stiffer competition. - -What do we gain other then helping the in state schools financially by playing them - -how does playing them benefit us other then maybe making us feel full of ourselves - -give us maybe OVER confidence in ourselves - -we gain really nothing from playing teams such as Washburn - -Emporia State and such - -this is much better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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That is strong medicine. Good stuff. You make a good point.
Yet can you see where I’m coming from? Why give MU the love?
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@DoubleDD like others have said, this game is perfect prep for Kentucky. Missouri personnel wise is very similar to them. We would not have had this prep under normal conditions so I will take it every time. Will it pay off? We’ll find out on the 14th.
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@DoubleDD I see your point I just disagree with it.
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Hey I’ve respected you in the past and I respect you now. So I hope right.
Can I ask you a question though. Are you ok with KU playing such a tough exhibition game. I mean if KU loses its bad. Right? I don’t know just trying to make a good conversation.
I like what your saying though.
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HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD like others have said, this game is perfect prep for Kentucky. Missouri personnel wise is very similar to them. We would not have had this prep under normal conditions so I will take it every time. Will it pay off? We’ll find out on the 14th.
I think regardless of what happens in the UK game, this was good. Good practice with the length and size Missouri has in a real game atmosphere. Self will have ammo on tape with that poor first half effort to show what happens when you do that vs a real team. Can play the same way against Fort Hays or whoever and still be well up. Being behind helps the message sink in better.
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DoubleDD said:
In non-con games no. They should be tune up games. Think KU just beat a very young an talented MU team and it counts for nothing.
Now KU fans are going to hear how great the MU team can be. You’re not going to hear much about KU and their win.
I just don’t see how KU gained anything from this, other than showing that KU fans are some of the must giving fans of any.
Maybe that is what I should focus on?
But it DOES count for something. - -Again it gives our young players experience against a group of talented guys - -there is no negative for playing this against what yes true is going to be a good team. - - Games like this is so valuable - -putting to much in what the fans are going to hear - -who cares? - -I don’t - -they lost period. -KU wins so much you never really do hear a lot when we win until NCAA time or possibly against other blue bloods , when your on top of the pile that the way it is - -it’s kind of a given for us to win.
Kind of falls in line with if and when someone does beat KU they always storm the floor. at the end because it just doesn’t happen that often - -so in those games they storm, they talk and talk about it. - -How many times do you see KU fans storm the floor even after beating other blue bloods very close to zilch - - because we expect to win it is a normal given - -same thing when we when you just don’t hear it talked up nearly as much but other teams for sure do - -let them who cares - -if this benefits our players - I don’t give a rats ass about what Mizzery people say - -let them talk. again look at the scoreboard - -end of story. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@DoubleDD it would have sucked in the worst of ways if we lost. But there is risk in everything. This was a risk I was willing to take because of the potential pay off due to the fact that Kentucky is the only real opponent in our non con. It’s almost a must win for the resume. If we lose on the 14th, I won’t feel any different because it is ALWAYS a good thing to play a top twenty five team, which I believe MU is.
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HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD it would have sucked in the worst of ways if we lost. But there is risk in everything. This was a risk I was willing to take because of the potential pay off due to the fact that Kentucky is the only real opponent in our non con. It’s almost a must win for the resume. If we lose on the 14th, I won’t feel any different because it is ALWAYS a good thing to play a top twenty five team, which I believe MU is.
No doubt Missouri has top 25 talent.
Tilmon, MPJ, Robertson, Barnett is a really good top 4.
The younger Porter needs to know he isn’t his bro though, he took too many threes.
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I know I said this before but it’s so nice to have an inside game this year. Billy and Dok can both make back to the basket moves. Love Billys turn around/fade away. What we sorely missed last year.
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Thanks for the focus KU brethren. I guess my beef is this was a game played that should count for something for KU. I get the experience. You butt heads won me over on that one. Yet if KU is going to play this game it should count? I don’t know boys and girl I’m not sure this type of game should be an exitbion type game.? I’m not for playing MU but if we are then let’s make it count for something…
As I still think MU gained everything from this game and KU nothing. Maybe I’m wrong? Hey it happens.
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@HawkChamp Looks like Billy might be a bit more willing and able to play inside than Bragg…
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@BShark definitely looks like more a banger and a bit tougher mentally. I like it a lot
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Does KU raise nearly 2 million if it isn’t Missouri? I’m not so sure.
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Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.
Last time I checked.
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HawkChamp said:
@BShark definitely looks like more a banger and a bit tougher mentally. I like it a lot
Me too. He has a lot of skill. Could be one of the best post players Self has had. A shame he isn’t a multiyear guy. Could only imagine him in his JR year like Marcus… Not sure he played enough today but he had a bad effort moment so Self yanked him, and he did have 5 fouls.
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DoubleDD said:
Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.
Last time I checked.
Wasn’t close! But is the arena full for another team is up for debate. It was full and rocking for this game.
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DoubleDD said:
Seriously who did you walk away with more impressed with?
Remember MU is young and very talented. KU is pretty much set.
Should KU play this type of exhibition type of game? Especially against a team that has the talent to beat and nothing to lose?
Who has more to gain? MU or KU? MU is young and talented so they get the benefit of the doubt. KU is kind of set.
Do feel comfortable playing this MU team in the tournament?
More “impressed” with? uhhh…KU.
I already covered that in my last post. Yes, we should play this type of exhibition.
Who has more to gain? I covered that in my last post, too.
Yes, I feel comfortable playing Misery in the tournament. Hell yes.
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Never be afraid of Missouri!
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HawkChamp
That’s the hope… especially after today.
Bill is going to chew some serious arse over poor rebounding. Also… mediocre defense.
This can be expected before the season, but it helps to have something like this to create the opportunity for Bill to do some heavy correctional coaching.
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So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
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@DoubleDD I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way but saying KU is set and can’t improve could easily be perceived as a knock on Self’s coaching. I think Doke and Billy in particular have much to learn.
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When I said set? Meaning who’s has a higher ceiling to get better?
I don’t know I let you answer it.
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BShark said:
Never be afraid of Missouri!
Your right - -and even more – never be afraid off anyone actually, if your afraid before you step on the floor or better use of words feeling intimidated - -then you’ve lost half the battle before the tip off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@DoubleDD I believe we gained something…playing a competitive game this early is better for our team than not playing the game. However, I would agree (if that is what you are saying) that Mizzou, as a young team, gained more. So what if it helped them more than us? Also, let’s not forget the good cause…
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DoubleDD said:
So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
Damn I don’t feel like a puddy cat lol - -I’m just messin with you man lol. - -The stronger the competition the more it benefits, if it’s in the exhibition so be it. - Helps prep for the regular , exhibition doesn’t go against your record - -so you really llose nothing as far as that goes.
Again what would draw more interest EVERY YEAR in exhibition this type of game - -OR Washburn - - Pittsburg St - -Emporia St - -what draws more hype? - - -Missouri - -OR Washburn? – -Does it have to be a top 25 team every year? - - No - - - But a good solid program even on the fringe just so much more benefit. - -As far as it being MU - -I think you might be putting just a little too much - -reading a little too much so what if it’s Missouri? - - Plus for this - -a benefit for hurricane victims - -can’t go wrong. - - Hell play like an NC St - -or an Boston College or just any other bigger school - -Play a Colorado of if there is a top 25 that wants to play and it works in exhibition I think the fan interest is better tams where at least more of a challenge and helps development playing against beter competition.
There is a reason the players from Washburn - -Pitt St - - Emporia St are at those schools, it’s because they are not as gifted - -not a knock against them but just it is what it is - -you wanna get better - you play against better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
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DoubleDD said:
So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
This was not a regular exhibition game because those have to be against non-Div 1 schools. But if they set up routine charity exhibitions, playing top 25 would be great for KU every season.
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I hear what you are saying but there are two problems.
First, the NCAA granted this one time waiver and it is unlikely that will do it on an-going basis, even for charity, as it would give the team and extra game and an unfair advantage. I really don’t believe you can make it an ongoing yearly charity exhibition game. If the series resumes it will have to be as a regular season game.
Second, you assume MU is a top 25 team which at this time is by no means a certain thing; MU will ride the Porters and other quality recruits for all they are worth and in 3 years Martin moves on and MU goes back to being a dumpster fire.
Just my opinion on the subject and I don’t claim to be right.
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KU playing Washborn, emporia st, and Pitt st are major pay days for these local schools. Now remember KU is a public college. Meaning they receive state money.
So you want KU to get on the wrong side of these schools and the policial structure to play out of state top 25 teams in exhibition games?
I’m just asking?
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One problem with making it a regular exhibition would be we would have to drop one of our others against the small Kansas schools. Those programs benefit from getting their “fodder fee” at AFH.
All in all, a one time event as an exhibition. I have no opinion on whether it becomes a regular matchup–donors might make themselves heard on that. Maybe KC would give each team a million bucks. Then we might see it.
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DoubleDD said:
So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?
Please help me understand?
- Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Not necessarily. I have posted numerous times trying to help you understand.
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DoubleDD said:
So you want KU to play top 25 teams in exhibition games?
Did you not see Exhibition? - -it does not affect your regular season record in any way. - -You get tons more out of the game then playing St Sister Mary’s school for the blind, - -Let me ask you this again - -exactly what do we gain from playing Some boys innermaurel program - - AAU team - - -Washburn teams of that nature? - -We play our in-state Schools more for those Schools - - - NOT us. - -They get a nice paycheck for playing us - -their players get the opportunity to play against some of the elite players in America – what do we get? - Our players don’t gain hardly anything beneficial at all from these type of games.
I’m not saying every exhibition game we play has to be against another top 25 team - -bit they can be against someone of a lot higher stature then those schools. - Makes our players focus better -challenges the players , the Coaches can go back and so them where they need to improve like Coach said yesterday - -he has a lot to show them. - -What is he going to show them against these smaller in state Schools. - -There is no comparison to the advantages they get. - - Not going to hurt our chances of making the Tourney , just gets us better prepared for regular season challenges. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo Nuff said – any questions? - - lmao - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Exhibitions have to be against non-Div 1 schools, so it is unrealistic to expect better teams from larger schools.
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DoubleDD said:
Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.
Last time I checked.
I’m not sure if this is a good thing or not. Seems kinda selfish. It potientally means KU fans had more they were able to donate, but only if given something. Whereas MU fans may have already donated all they could afford.
I still wish KU would’ve played WSU as opposed to selling out. But it’s happened, no one got hurt, and a bunch of blood money was raised for a legitimately good cause.
