TCU WINS NIT
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Not Important Tournament
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@dylans What? Whoa! This is a league participant, a team that sent us reeling when our young star shot himself in the proverbial foot. Kudos to Jamie Dixon and his athletes, a long awaited up and coming program. Their enthusiastic win, matching the largest point margin in the history of the National Inv. Tourney, will definitely carry over into next season when Bill Self and Co. strive for a 14th consecutive title. Now if Tech can keep a’comin’, and if Shaka Smart can get off his fanny to invigorate a slumping Longhorn program, why, heck, we might face new challenges down below the River Red. There is even talk of Dasterdly Drew slithering off to some other program. So Baylor might once again face the prospect of finishing a season with the ranking it frequently earns early on.
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@REHawk Totally agree I’m glad they won the NIT, any win in post season does nothing but help the Conference. -We had these people talking smack about how KU lost to TCU & yet TCU turns around and wins the tourney, goes to show the team that didn’t make the tourney is still pretty salty – - tough conference. This is Jamie Dixon, I said I thought he was a great hire that he would great at things for TCU
For this being Jamie’s 1st year and be able to get to the NIT and WIN the NIT in his 1st year is pretty good, the 1st post season success in the schools history. In time when Jamie gets more of his own recruits they can very easily become a factor along with the likes of West Virginia, Baylor, & Iowa State - - this league only continues to get tougher - -Yet the cream is always at the top - - KU - – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Makes TCU the 69th best team.
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Brodziansky Will be a monster next year. Fisher, (Johnny Winter’s son) is a scary point guard. Add proven Jamie Dixon as a coach and I’m pretty sure the fastest turnaround for a bottom feeder will take place and they will be in the Tourney next year. Happy for TCU and the Big 12.
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@dylans AND the only team left standing from the big 12 - -the only team that won a postseason title, come on man let’s be real, I’ll pull for EVERY TEAM from our conference come post season, like I said over and over this just makes our conference look that much stronger - -The biggest reason they didn’t make the NCAA is because of getting beat up within the conference - -out of conference sure didn’t do anything to hurt them. I’m not going to come on and sound like I’m jealous I*'m going to give credit where credit is due. - They ha a good year - - good for them and they will only get better with Dixon there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@wrwlumpy My point exactly, they are going to be very competitive, the more years Jamie is there and he gets HIS PLAYERS in the program they gonna be fine… - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@everyone No matter how hard you try you cannot convince me that winning the nit is better than making the ncaa tournament. KSU winning a play in game is more meaningful.
But good for TCU. Its a step in the right direction. Hopefully Jamie can get a decent program going in Texas. Lord knows KU needs challenged more in conference and Shaka sucks.
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The importance of the NIT depends on where your program is.
For an established program like KU, that would represent a failure.
For a building program like TCU, the extra month of practices, games and pressure situations is a huge benefit. In a lot of ways, it’s similar to a building football program (something we are familiar with) and making that first bowl game. You get the extra month of work with your players, the extra time preparing for an unfamiliar opponent, getting used to the longer season.
Remember, if TCU hadn’t gone to the NIT, they play 5 fewer games. For a college team, that’s between 12% and 15% of the season. Their season would’ve ended on March 10, which means no more practices, no more film, etc. Instead, they went three more weeks of practice, film, preparation, etc and because it was “in-season” that helps because of NCAA rules regarding practices and workouts in season vs. out of season.
That’s an incredible benefit that Dixon can build on. They return 5 of their top 6 scorers, 4 of the top 5 rebounders and their top 2 assist men. And now they have played in March, in pressure games. That’s more valuable for a program that’s building and worth more than a first round NCAA exit because KSU, OSU and others did not get as much postseason work.
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@dylans Not trying to say it is better at all. Just saying they took the opportunity that was at hand and succeeded, for sure it’s not better, but I’m not going to over look the accomplishment they achieved. I have no doubt Jamie will once he has his players in the next couple of years will for sure turn this program into a much better program. - -In just the first year with none or limited players of his own -I think Fisher is his but what he did with that programs deserves props I for one am happy for him - -Again it’s for the best for the conference - -we sure the hell don’t want to be thrown into the same pot as WSU. It’s already been said in our league it’s KU and a bunch of wanna be. - -People making statements that no wonder we have won 13 straight years - -we have no competition, - -People saying that’s another reason we have such little success in the NCAA’S
Until we have better quality, teams representing doing better in the NCAA’S we will continue to get these kind of statements from people - -TCU is getting better Jamie was a hell of a catch for them, not for sure just how strong they will challenge KU in the next couple of years BUT they will challenge the upper crust for sure in the next couple of years ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@justanotherfan Very good view, very well put - -unlike myself lol I sometimes can’t get what I want to say to come out the way I would like, and that in turn makes people think that I’m trying to insult them or be little them which is not the case and I’m not saying this is the case in this scenario but bottom line very valid point s I reckon is all I need to say here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@justanotherfan I believe it is great for teams in building mode. If my memory is correct (jury is out on that one) Baylor won the NIT one year and went Elite Eight the next and has been a strong contender since that time.
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UNC went to the NIT not that long ago and lost in the Finals to Dayton. We all remember Kentucky being bounced on the first round of the NIT by Bobby Mo…
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Here’s another positive outcome of TCU’s NIT win. The conference shares in TCU’s proceeds, just as all league schools do in the progress of our conf. teams moving along in the NCAA Tourney. Money in the bank for KU and the other league schools. (at least, I think this is true)
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@REHawk let’s go w/it!
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One final comment from me on this thread. TCU showed lots of character to persevere and charge through the NIT with determination to show their stuff. A good sign for our league. Very different from John Calipari and his heralded youngsters giving up in their first round NIT contest vs. Robert Morris a few short years ago. Any conference title is a win for the entire Big 12!
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@KUSTEVE Yeah, saw that. Congrats to TCU! Way to represent the Big 12!
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@Barney UT won the NIT and can you remember what they did the following year? I can’t.
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Texas won the NIT in the late '70s…I don’t even remember KU’s record that far back…that is 40 years ago and Texas was not even a member of the Big 12. Back then the NCAA tournament had only 32 teams and the NIT was a lot more prestigious than it is today.
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@JayHawkFanToo It was started in 1938 by a separate organization, a consortium of NY media companies. Originally, the two tournaments competed with each other for teams in the post-season, and in some years teams even played in both tournaments.
In 1971, Al McGuire took Marquette to the NIT instead of accepting an NCAA bid with a seeding he didn’t like. That caused the NCAA to threaten sanctions against teams that played in the NIT instead of accepting an NCAA bid, leading to the decline of the NIT.
I think that action, and the expansions of the NCAA tourney to 64 and then 68 teams, eventually led to an anti-trust/illegal restraint of trade lawsuit by the NIT. That was eventually settled when the NCAA bought the NIT in 2005.
Wikipedia has a very interesting history, from which this was culled.
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@RockChalkinTexas said:
@Barney UT won the NIT and can you remember what they did the following year? I can’t.
Texas won the NIT in 1978 and lost in the NCAA round of 32 in 1979. Both seasons they were SWC co-champs under Abe Lemons.
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@JayHawkFanToo Don’t get me wrong, cause I could very easily be wrong, might be an age thing for me BUT if my memory strikes me right , I can remember when I was young - - -dam that was many many moons ago. I can remember when they only had 16 teams in the Tourney I can remember listening to the THIRD place game on the radio - -We were playing UCLA and w lost of course I can remember that, Then I think they jumped from 16 to 32 teams - - long time ago. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@RockChalkinTexas Nope. I did say up and coming teams. Now for teams who are usually in contention (Top 25) it is more of a knock I think. There was a time that most here wouldn’t remember when the NIT was a very big deal. Because only the conference champion went on to the NCAA tourney. KU lost in the finals in 1968 (i think) to Dayton when Jo Jo was playing.
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Here is a history if the tournament format:
- 1939–1950: 8 teams
- 1951–1952: 16 teams
- 1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
- 1975–1978: 32 teams
- 1979: 40 teams
- 1980–1982: 48 teams
- 1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
- 1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
- 1985–2000: 64 teams
- 2001–2010: 65 teams (one play-in game to determine whether the 64th or 65th team plays in the first round)
- 2011–present: 68 teams (four play-in games before all remaining teams compete in the round of 64; from 2011 to 2015, the round of 64 was deemed to be the second round; beginning in 2016, the round of 64 is again deemed to be the first round)
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@JayHawkFanToo Thanks well I wasn’t to far off I was born in 1954 I remember them going to 32 teams - -that might of been what I was thinking of - -I got that Part timers diease lol. - -Thanks bud. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
