Best posts made by elpoyo

Doods a stud…nuff said! he’s the anti-wiggins and i predict he will deliver us to the promise land in April.

did the game actually happen? Seriously, there is pretty much 0 coverage for these games. The only place to find any info is on the KU sites. National media has pretty much ignored it completely.

My nephew plays on the AAU circuit in Texas and he hasn’t even heard of the WUG.

The only coverage i’m seeing bball related is NBA and U19 USAB games.

Even more reason why Self needs to get past 2nd week in the tourney and get to a FF/championship. else this whole exercise of playing WUGs is moot.

@wrwlumpy said:

Maybe West Virginia can run with us, but no one in the Big 12 will have our depth.

Given how the last few years and tourneys have played out, why O’why do KU fans still keep on using other BIG12 teams as a benchmark for greatness.

No one in the Big 12 will have our depth? no kidding…that’s like the old chris rock line…you can’t be a dad and take pride in saying “i send my kids to school”…

we need to get past the big 12…else we will see #12, and an early round exit again…but if the majority are satisfied with that, then all this is moot.

@jayballer54 said:

Just some tidbits for the haters. - -one’s who question the legit of our conference, can’t dent facts. - -numbers don’t lie.

Every team in the Big 12 has EITHER been ranked or received votes in the top 25 this year. how tough is this league? - -70% of the games have been decided by 10 pts or less. The Avg win margin of the league is 7.9 for the year - - nothing easy. Toughness? - -Only conference every team among the top 76 BPI. .797 Non Con % - - best in Nation Non Con Toughness ? - -Big 12 has .575 win % -versus ACC, Big East , Big 10 , Pac 12 , Sec , the 8th straight year of 500 vs Nations top conferences. Big 12 - -102-26 Non Con - - - 17 of those losses by single digits- - -4 in OT. Big 12 has the most semi finalists for Neismith – in the Nation 3 now - -ANY QUESTIONS? - -the only thing I WILL say, now we ( the big 12 ) has to go out and prove ourselves in the NCAA’S - -make that sit down and shut up statement. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Speaking of facts…each year some dumba$$ posts this exact same post only to see BIG 12 shit its pants during the tourney followed by a landslide of posts from everyone here about how they knew to begin with big 12 was weak, etc, etc.

As always, KU is the saving grace and for reason this season, is making all the other big 12 teams look a lot better.

As i sat there and saw the first half of a terrible championship game, kept on thinking how we would have easily beat either of these 2 teams. So far, i was able to dissociate myself from our loss to Oregon and not let it get to me. but seeing the game last night, can’t help but see how we lost our golden chance. KU shit its bed when it mattered.

I really thought this was our year- i haven’t felt like that ever…even in 2008 i didn’t think we would win it all and we did…but this year was it. We were playing the elite 8 in our backyard and had a guaranteed ticket to the final 4 but Instead the BIG 12 screwed us over again.

KU was supposed to be battle tested. We had enough close come from behind victories against “good teams”, but we choked and why? this wasn’t on Self, he employed the same game plan he as all season and it worked for him all season, so why not? Again, the problem here is the vastly overrated big 12. Self’s game plan worked perfectly against Big 12 teams, but outside of that, it wasn’t.

BIG 12 sucks. KU needs to leave the BIG 12. while we are in the BIG 12, we will continue to extend the meaningless streak and will not win a championship.

embiid is the anti-wiggins

@drgnslayr said:

@BeddieKU23

“…in the end we landed the kids that wanted to come to KU.”

umm…i’m not so sure about that. Bragg’s first choice was UK and once he didn’t get any attention from Cal, he chose his 2nd option.

Diallo was a lock for ISU till the mayor told him he wasn’t going to be back (that coupled with Abdelmassih leaving pretty much sealed the deal with KU).

to add to these, look at all the other transfers (hunter, graham, coleby…).

The kids are here and they will be playing for KU, so all the above is moot. but lets call it like it is.

If it works in the NBA why can’t it work in college? Play small, play fast, win championships!

Its coaching and trusting your guards…other teams have tried it, but kerr’s using his players to their advantage. Self needs to pull a page from Kerr’s book and instead of trying to force players to play they way he thinks they should play, hone their abilities. We all know self get stubborn and falls in love with a player and will play him even after multiple bonehead plays.

with our line up + depth + experience, anything less than a FF is major disappointment and puts self on the hot seat.

Cleveland/Lebron’s ultimate goal was to win a championship and take away the freak injury to love, i’m pretty sure they would have won it all. So, the trade was the right move esp since no one knew what they were getting with Wiggins.

i personally wouldn’t have done it and kept Wiggins- but for whatever reason- either Wiggin’s not so stellar performance while @ KU or maybe Chalmer’s really turned him off on KU…Lebron wanted to go the other direction.

I wouldn’t have done it, but can’t blame cleveland- they wanted to win and did what they thought was the right thing @ that point in time.

if they did win a championship, everyone on this board would be much quieter or singing a different tune.

@approxinfinity said:

@elpoyo

So… people shouldn’t feel bad for Embiid because he can afford to not fulfill his potential and still get laid? Because in the end that’s all that matters? Come on dude. Let’s get off the basement floor.

hey…i don’t recall anyone feeling bad for conner coz he couldn’t fulfill his potential and he was on the KU team much longer than Embiid, but in his case, it was- don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Just funny how the double standard here works.

@Lulufulu said:

Does this mean Larry is just as slimy as Cal is? After all he left KU and UCLA after penalties were handed out. Presumably he will do the same at SMU.

Lets not go down that road. Last thing we need is to have an asterisk next to the 88 championship.

I know i’ll get vilified for it, but i’m just surprised (well not really) how no one is pointing the finger at self? Cliff, through his handlers, messed up but prior to that, it was on self for not developing cliff more.

Self has to figure out his players, try to motivate them and help develop their game. To simply say Cliff was dumb and just couldn’t pick the game is bs. equally at fault is self who didn’t fully figure out Cliff’s other skill sets like his perimeter jump shot. Self tends to one-dimensionalize his players and it makes sense if this approach is being successful, but when it stops yielding results, time to change too.

sometimes, people on this board get so blinded with love for self, they automatically bash whoever says anything that’s even remotely questioning or criticizing self.

Self is a great coach, but he has his flaws too.

Embiid hands down!

the sad part is, both times we played KSU, we barely beat them. Seriously…we should be stomping them by 20 regardless of home court or not. Don’t give me BS like they are legit and are tough at home.

Its a big concern if we can barely beat KSU, how will we fare in the tourney.

@Blown said:

Roy gets 3 in 14 at UNC and 0 in 14 at Kansas. Go figure. We have bad luck, I suppose.

Its the BIG 12. For some reason, its jinxed. We need to bolt.

@BeddieKU23

lol…NBA must hve enough waterboys

how is this a troll question? seriously…why is she any diff than any other athletic trainer? what sets her apart?

too many sheeple here…god forbid someone goes against the grain

stoptheflop said:

@REHawk Josh has handled his mistakes extremely well and should be an example to others. Who amongst us didn’t do something equally stupid when we were young.

Yes…kicking in car doors and trying to verbally assault women are everyday offenses for guys! boys will be boys afterall…you realize this is KU and not MU and KSU!!! our guys are held to a different standard ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE TOP 1-3 PICKS IN THE NBA!!!

The image of Josh, his mom and his lawyer leaving Lawrence municipal court spoke volumes.

Yes, lets forget the fact that he had to hire a lawyer and go to court but instead, applaud him for having to follow the law!!!

Josh took responsibility for his offense, accepted the court’s punishment and now talks about how the anger management counseling has helped him.

Yes, he did take responsibility long after it was brought to light what he did. He didn’t voluntarily take responsibility.

I’M JUST SHOCKED!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BOARD!! ITS TURNING INTO THE PHOG. ALL WE ARE DOING IS MAKING EXCUSES AND COVERING UP FOR OUR GUYS…THIS IS TURNING STRAIGHT UP INTO A MIZZOU BOARD. OUR GUYS CAN DO NO WRONG!!! GIVE THEM MEDALS AND COOKIES AND IF ANY ONE DARE EVEN LIFT AN EYELID, ATTACK THEM. THIS IS FLAT OUT DISGRACEFUL.

Didn’t you know…we have 13 titles. I’ve bee asking the same question and i keep on being told by the Selfers on here we have 13 titles.

So, you can delete your thread.

autohawk said:

As much as I would’ve enjoyed the Dukies getting beat and as badly as Grayson just needs his a** kicked(despite being a pretty good player), i’m very content with us in the polls right here. Let them deal with the hype about being #1-while we just keep doing what we do- and even better with some extra bodies soon. April forecast looks very exciting with Wichita & Omaha just a short trip away for those first 2 weekends!

content with being #2? what are we - KSU? when did that happen. i thought KU fans strive for nothing less than #1? or or we content w/ being #2 given the streak continues?

Do recruits outside of Kansas really care about the streak? seriously…when has any recruit said i want to go and win big 12 ship and extend streak? nada…all recruits say is they want to win championships. This is why Duke constantly keeps on getting top recruits. As much as i hate to say it, Coach K is considered the gold standard in college bball and he doesn’t have close to the conf streak we do. Again - national titles. that’s what stands out! As much as we like to downplay the tourney as a crapshoot, it is the official measure of the ncaa greatness.

The streak is something we propelled to exponential importance because as KU fans, we don’t have anything else to cling to. we feel it keeps us relevant when in reality it is nothing more than a “dick size” contest with other teams in the big 12. Yea, we can brag to KSU, ISU, WVU, etc. but that’s about it.

I know a lot of you disagree with this thinking, but the same bunch also say the big 12 is the toughest conference when in reality it is not.

Everything he’s said is true. we live and die by the 3. If Svi doesn’t make his 3’s against tech, we don’t win that game. This form of Russian (or Ukrainian) roulette with Svi we are playing is very very risky.

BeddieKU23 said:

mayjay said:

@elpoyo Seriously, that is what you are stretching hard to find to put him down? You would be better off if you said he wrote his name funny in 5th grade or something.

I’m telling you, Wiggins stepped on Elpoyo’s foot one day and he’s holding a grudge forever.

oh…i’m holding a grudge alright…so should all of us…we got duped! Wigs gave less then 50% effort the whole time he was here…we should have made it to the FF that year! but he was too concerned about getting injured and protecting his draft status so we couldn’t even make it past stanford.

even sadder - all this and he is still worshiped like some god by the sheeple here

@REHawk said:

He is currently spoken of as very possibly the future Jordan or James. Rare air.

WTF? What are you on? Future Jordan or James? i’m so shocked i literally have no words

BeddieKU23 said:

LOL…on the same night…Wiggsy had just 11 pts. Tsk Tsk

Wiggins and Embiid are night and day! Embiid is truly the anti-wiggins

@HighEliteMajor said:

@elpoyo Bragg’s finalists were Kansas and UK. There were zero reports that UK didn’t give him attention. Diallo was not a “lock” for ISU. ISU was never the favorite. Kansas was pretty much the leader starting last December. And as additional info, Graham was not a transfer.

Either he has an obsession with UK or he’s just trying to go out of his way to diss them

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24945362/carlton-bragg-says-kentucky-instead-of-kansas-during-commitment

https://twitter.com/carltonbragg31/status/577534119304912897

@HighEliteMajor said:

some twitter link about his NCAA bracket where he picked Kansas?

Some twitter link was a link to his twitter account where he picked kansas to win it all (no problems there), but singled out UK by picking Manhattan to beat UK and even circled Manhattan. Seriously, he fills 1/4th of his bracket and then picked UK to lose in the first round to Manhattan and you think that doesn’t mean anything? Clearly something was off and its obvious he was peeved at UK and even posters on KU boards said he was big on UK, but they cooled off him and he apparently didn’t like that.

I know its all sunshine over here , but just pointing out what i see. This is afterall a message board where people can put in their opinions…right?

@drgnslayr said:

s the NCAA going to give KU the Death Penalty for letting a g

What’s the point? even if he does come back, we win more big 12 titles? hooray…we can accomplish that without him just fine. unfortunately, he’s no longer a reliable resource given his health. for him to come back and have to sit out the ncaa tourneys…really, what’s the benefit.

he’ll just be taking time away from other players who need the opportunity/experience.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

but they didn’t, and meanwhile Wigs keeps getting stronger!

wig would be getting stronger no matter what. Not sure what your point is here.

this comment reminds me of a typical MU trash fan…KU didn’t win the Natl championship, meanwhile, MU keeps on getting stronger.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@elpoyo

I am with @Crimsonorblue22 on this one. At Cleveland, Wiggins would not have had as much playing time as he had last season with the Wolves and he would have not developed nearly as much as he did.

True, but take love out, and put wiggins in…with Kyrie’s injury, Wiggins playing time would have increased dramatically in the playoffs…and the experience he would have gotten…playoffs and the finals- you can’t recreate that and even with Kyrie out and wiggins in, Cavs chances of winning it all become very very doable. IMO they would have won the playoffs with that setup

to be able to win with OAD’s, you can’t be stubborn. you have to be able to go with the flow and model your team/plan to the strengths of your OADs.

Self, IMHO, is not going to be successful with OADs (as UK or Duke have been) because he is just too damn stubborn. we have seen it over and over again. he’s just not willing to change or try certain things until its too late. Classic example is the game against MI when BMac should have been in the 2nd half- instead he was on the bench and Self went with his EJ- probably one of his worst coaching decisions to date. We had no business losing that game. still hurts!

Pass! as much as this kid is a great guy and hard worker, he’s never going to sniff the court. its almost as if self brings on white kids to help balance the diversity of the team roster.

@jaybate-1.0 said: He has accrued a .744 W&L statement, which when combined with mediocre conference records in a mid major conference, implies pre-conference opponents stacked with not just cupcakes, but outright Bon-bons.

Don’t think any one in the BIG12 should be pointing fingers at them about playing cupcakes and outright bon-bons…especially after how the BIG12 got exposed last year and time and again, showed how overrated the conference is.

@nuleafjhawk said:

@dylans B & V are big fish in a little pond. If they were Jayhawks, they’d be pine riders. See Frankamp…

if they were jayhawks, they’d never get past the 2nd round.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@Crimsonorblue22

I hope things start getting better for Joel…he has been through a lot.

i can only imagine…going to bed with a lot of hot women on a big pile of money…must be rough.

@approxinfinity said:

@elpoyo

Embiid’s ceiling is much greater than Conner’s; as @dylans expressed best, Embiid has the potential to be a national treasure. Embiid’s work ethic is greater, his contributions to the team were greater, his sense of humor was greater, among other things.

Of course, we’re fans and the personal story makes us root for the guy who played behind Dakari Johnson in high school, but exploded onto the national stage for us after playing only 3 years of basketball and was breathtaking before injury. I like that guy over the guy who struggled at Kansas on and off the court and transferred to Wichita State because he thought that’s a better opportunity for him. Not that I hate on Conner for that, it’s just not a compelling story at all.

There’s no double standard that I see here. Conner just wasn’t as likeable a Jayhawk as Embiid.

National treasure? LMAO… i know he’s a KU favorite, but lets not blow $hit out of proportion.

you mention injury’s for Embiid…Conner was injured too, but because he isn’t so high profile, KUsports didn’t dedicate posts and posts about it.

and its ok for Embiid to leave KU for a better opportunity in the NBA vs Conner seeking a better opportunity else where?

Conner was a much better athlete/player…he was severely mis managed; One of the biggest knock on Self used to be he one-dimensionalizes players. I used to not believe it at all, but not so sure know. Conner showed a glimpse of what he’s capable of at the end of the Stanford game. Bill Self knew he messed up with Conner because he didn’t place any restrictions on where conner could go…he said himself.

Conner not as likeable as a jayhawk? why because he didn’t make tons of stupid twitter posts and constantly act like a child? did you even know conner personally or ever met him or his parents? I have and can guarantee they are much nicer people than where you come from.

Its funny how like the Beiber fans (beliebers) and Beyonce fans ( BeyHive), the Selfers continue to blindly promote and support Self without ever actually realizing what they are doing or what they stand for.

hey, keep it at i guess.

Did someone not tell him about the streak? i’m positive if he knew about the streak, he wouldn’t commit elsewhere.

@wrwlumpy said:

very year, someone wants us to forget about winning the Conference saying that it doesn’t matter, or where we get seeded doesn’t matter. Is there a strategy to losing certain games to assure us of a National Championship. Why not enjoy the ride and forget about being a permanent “Second Guesser.”

Nothing is wrong with that you said above. all i’m saying is, we’re much better than thumping our chests when comparing ourselves to the rest of the little 12. it sickens me when our fans make statements .

instead, why can’t we not say “neither duke or UK will have our depth”…

Also, there is a growing sentiment among KU fans that they are simply satisfied with big 12 streak and chalk an early round exit to “oh well- the tournament is too hard to win” or “the tourney doesn’t matter…its the streak”. I think this is nothing but baloney. Don’t see the fire in the fans and the coaching staff that i used to see. It seems as though an early round exit is more probable than a deep tourney run.

I really hope we end the streak soon and focus on the tourney. The streak, while amazing, is fools gold. It doesn’t do one bit for our recruiting.

@nuleafjhawk said:

@elpoyo “why O’why do KU fans still keep on using other BIG12 teams as a benchmark for greatness.”

Saying that West Virginia can run is using them as a benchmark for greatness? LOL.

If you’re trying to be funny, keep it up, because that’s hilarious. If you’re being serious you may want to think about things a little more before hitting “enter”.

Maybe a more appropriate moniker would be “el descontento”.

internet messageboard tough guy…i’ve heard of your types before.

@Lulufulu said:

@MoonwalkMafia @elpoyo I totally disagree guys. Of course I cant speak for every KU fan but for my self, my view is two fold.

If the streak reaches 12 this year and 13 next year, thats just bananas!

cept’ it ain’t doing jack shit for our recruiting. no recruit comes to KU saying “wow…look at the streak”. NCs is all that matter. We can continue to be a big fish in the little BIG12 pond, or we can go out and try to become more relevant and hang with duke and uk.

Not to mention the apparent refereeing favoritism that is painfully evident when refs swallow their whistles every time ( seemingly ) that KU gets fouled intentionally. Was any whistle blown when Perry got his nose bashed in? Dont think so. Ok, so thats not an NCAA game but still, you get my point I hope.

Was a whistle blown when BG bashed Niang’s head in causing it to bleed? I can’t imagine you being all up in arms about that? We all think our players get called for fouls intentionally. to say stuff this like and why it only happens to KU is totally bush league.

i would put Florida as my top because they did what is extremely hard to do- repeat! Winning one title is hard, winning multiple titles (not back to back) is even harder, and winning back to back titles is, IMO, the hardest thing to do.

just solely on this, i would give Florida #1. spot.

@jaybate-1.0 said:

@blackmild33

The KU network remains vital.

what network are you talking about? lol…and what do you mean by vital? Vaughn is doing a player personnel role…that is no where close to being a vital role. it basically means, he had it good with the coaching staff during his time there and they made a role for him since we probably called in a favor. Vaugh was a pretty good college bball player, but no where close to that in the NBA. don’t even know where he would rank among NBA PGs.

when you start becoming irrelevant, have to find other ways to stay in the media/news. Good for Jeff!

one of my fav hawks- felt he underachieved in the NBA, but then it struck me- this is the same dude that peaked in the BIG 12. and that ain’t going to translate well in the NBA

@drgnslayr said:

And for being such an elite program, with a history of helping put bigs in the league,

I think we need to move past just putting bigs in the league. once the bigs get to the NBA, they aren’t doing sh!t…just riding the pine. So why would a big come to KU unless there’s no room at UK or Duke?

IMO, when Danny left, it hurt us big time. Embiid was supposed to be the answer, but don’t think thats a feasible option any more. even Cliff experiment is over.

all these scenarios definitely don’t help us

There is hope for the college game played by college kids when a team like Wisc can beat KY.

Agreed, but guess what- no big time recruits are running for Wisc and its clearly, self isn’t taking that path.

@justanotherfan said:

@ralster

Self has shown that he needs a certain type of team. He has that type of team this year, so the pressure is on to get it done because there is no excuse for an early flame out this time.

I wish this were true, but guess what- the moment Self wins #12…no one @ KU is going to care how we finish the tournament. Even if we flame out in the 2nd round again, KU fans and admins will look at it as a success because we beat big bad big 12 and how even an ncaa championship doesn’t compare to 12 straight.

I’ve said this over and over again- as long as we care more about the streak and not the NCAA championship, don’t expect much to change.

It sickens me!

@DinarHawk said:

@drgnslayr He will be invaluable for our guards, hopefully similar to how Danny was.

except its Danny Manning who is a known commodity vs Aaron miles who outside of KU, is pretty much unknown. Don’t get me wrong- i think Aaron will help, but comparing him to Danny is a mistake. He’s not going to be able to do for our guards what Danny did for our bigs.

The deal wiht Bolden is he don’t care what school he goes to. He just wants to go somewhere where he gets playing time and its a blueblood ( I call this the Wiggins principle).

If he really liked a school, he would have committed by now.

Given the state we are in, we don’t really have options but if we did- i’d say skip out on these players. They only have one thing on their mind- NBA and never really get emotionally attached to the school. These type of players will help dominate the Big 12, but fizzle out in the tournament.

Someone just needs to take him out back and put him out…he’s caused enough embarrassment! He needs to grow a pair

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14499523/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-rails-markieff-morris-millennial-culture

@wissox said:

47 point outburst against the Lakers!

yep…just look at the impact wiggins is having! KU’s signing studs left and right…NOT!

@jayballer54 said:

I tell you what being ranked # 1 in the season WILL do: - - what it does is put even a bigger bulls eye on our chest for opponents - -gives them more motivation as if they need it when they play us. For a lot of these teams when they play against us, a lot of these teams don’t make the NCAA’S . - -we are their NCAA game, how many teams circle their schedule against us as their game of the year, cause we have Kansas written on the uniform.

Can you imgaine if MJ or Kobe or Lebron thought like that…they would not have accomplished as much. This is loser talk. Always go for #1…for anyone to justify otherwise doesn’t deserve to be a fan. We, as fans, should expect our team to be the best and they need to play at that level.