Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
Thanks for lesson. I had no idea they could circumvent the devices and stuff. So in your opinion are the numbers they produce for the world to see are actually higher? Or I s it the cumulation of all the numbers that it comes in is about right?
The emissions inventory for the world is way higher than reported. By how much? I have no clue.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
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I agree with the administration that pulling out of the Paris agreement made a lot of sense. The US is MUCH more efficient in carbon emissions per unit of output than the developed world. China already imports more coal than anyone and some non-binding targets with no teeth are just paper. If you believe noted right wing organization the NRDC (sarcasm), climate change will have the impact of a minor recession on the US, about 2% less a century from now vs. if the climate stayed as-is. My business is already overburdened with regulation and bad trade policy. Don’t need another whack upside the head.
Come on folks, a virus can’t be racist. It’s not even alive for cripes sake. Natural events can’t be racist. Full stop. Besides, critical theory is dumb. Anyone who puts forward a non-falsifiable theory as legitimate science is totally missing the boat. Not just my reading of the literature, Robin DiAngelo (the OG I’d critical theory) wrote a whole freaking book saying anyone who disagrees with her is experiencing “white fragility” and is therefore racist and promoting white supremacy. It’s all a load of garbage.
But! As I’ve said here a lot, the administration’s response to COVID has been too little, too late. The FDA dropped the ball on testing, the White House downplayed COVID in the winter, and Trump can’t get out of his own way at his pressers.
His domestic record is iffy at best. Trade? Terrible. Budget? Terrible. Immigration? Woof. Foreign policy? Meh. Some wins, mostly losses. Liked the TCJA both on the corporate and personal side though it was wounded. Health care? Lol. The GOP has no plan. There are lots of smart plans out there on the right on health care but the White House and R leadership in Congress has been meh. Trump’s real domestic success has been in the judiciary, which would’ve been the case under any other GOP administration. My man Cocaine Mitch just runs that train.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You do know when I say borders I mean everything. Boats, planes, so on?
That wasn’t clear, so thank you.
That said, he has repeatedly resisted shutting down travel within the US which would help protect his own people. Now, I’m not big on authoritarian, centralized federal controls, but I do think states look for leadership in moments of crisis. He could set a better tone that encourages safety over the freedom to roam and infect.
Some states still have no guidance to stay at home and keep distance from others. Residents of those states can travel to other states and infect others. That doesn’t help form a more perfect union.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
You made a statement and I simply asked you to explain it. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
I asked a question that you clearly won’t answer. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
Oh I’ve said many times I th8nk closing the borders is a great idea.
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What more do you want from me? You’re the one saying closing the borders is useless. I’m just asking why?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
I asked a question that you clearly won’t answer. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
Oh I’ve said many times I th8nk closing the borders is a great idea.
Nice.
That’s not what you said and not what I was asking you to explain.
Stop twisting.
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I’m truly confused
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I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
It’s better than making no sense
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I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
Great. I’m all for creating a vaccine.
Neither of these points were what we were talking about.
What a waste of time.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
You are a troll.
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And I think your a idiot
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
And I think your a idiot
Well done.
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Well done what?
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@bskeet a troll doesn’t Spend The amount of time I have been on the kubuckets talking about KU and politics. I don’t think you understand the definition of a troll.
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This paragraph pretty much sums it up: “ Trump’s daily jousts with the media recreate the adversarial dynamic of his 2016 campaign and much of his earlier presidency and invite his supporters to adopt his narrative of events rather than fact-based critiques of his conduct. This has been a successful device in the past to cement the anti-establishment President with his followers.”
Full opinion piece here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html
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https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
awful.
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@BShark nor this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media/pence-office-tv-bookings-coronavirus/index.html
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@DoubleDD I hope it works out for them and their hospitals do not get overwhelmed. They may have less dense population centers, and sparse gatherings may be more natural for them? The article does that indicate that the rate of infection is acelerating and their policy will likely have to be reevaluated soon. Hopefully they aren’t squandering a chance to control the outbreak better like UKs herd immunity plan. https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/uk-boris-johnson-coronavirus-icu-herd-immunity/
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I hope it works out for them and their hospitals do not get overwhelmed. They may have less dense population centers, and sparse gatherings may be more natural for them? The article does that indicate that the rate of infection is acelerating and their policy will likely have to be reevaluated soon. Hopefully they aren’t squandering a chance to control the outbreak better like UKs herd immunity plan. https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/uk-boris-johnson-coronavirus-icu-herd-immunity/
Actually I can’t believe they’re are handling the virus this way. Social distancing and staying at home seems to be working. However there seems to be a lot of pressure to get the world economy going again.
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@DoubleDD Our own hesitation to act, then becoming the clear epicenter of the world should serve as a cautionary tale.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Our own hesitation to act, then becoming the clear epicenter of the world should serve as a cautionary tale.
Haha you know I don’t agree with that. However I think when this virus is put back in its cage. A lot of truths will come out. We shall see?
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@DoubleDD The stats seem bad. You can continue to make excuses for Idiot in Chief.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html
You have access to the ny times? I do wish I could read this article. Can you help?
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@benshawks08 nobody wants to watch pence! His job is to hold those cards up and repeat the same thing every day. It’s like watching paint dry. He’s a puppet.
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Does opening it in incognito mode work @DoubleDD? That’s all I got. I don’t subscribe
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Does opening it in incognito mode work @DoubleDD? That’s all I got. I don’t subscribe
Ah crap I was hoping you could open it up. That’s alright though bubba. I’m not subscriber either. Sometimes the website will let me in.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html
You have access to the ny times? I do wish I could read this article. Can you help?
Intel folks are saying China way underreports the impact of COVID. They warned the White House in February about how bad it will get with little response. Nobody really knows how many died in China since they don’t test a lot of people.
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@FarmerJayhawk this is my shocked face
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@BShark yep
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I deleted my last post. I was being a dick. What matters is we Americans rise up.
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There are likely to be case definition changes as early as Monday on what is an instance of coronavirus. This definition is likely to include presumed positives as positives which will cause the incidence levels to increase significantly in all models.
Ideally this should result in showing a more prolonged period that the curve has been flattened if we have effective social distancing practices.
Literally and figuratively, hold your breath.
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No politics just this interview just blows my mind. It’s crazy. Lol I love it.
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This story is BANANAS https://twitter.com/ericliptonnyt/status/1249009586905939968?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This story is BANANAS https://twitter.com/ericliptonnyt/status/1249009586905939968?s=21
And there it is. A coherent timeline from an insider. Chaos.
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Here’s more along those same lines. I think this story does a good job breaking down failures and successes based on promises made by the administration in March. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/832797592/a-month-after-emergency-declaration-trumps-promises-largely-unfulfilled
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And it went out with a dud. So sorry. Guys.
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Welp , this here right now has nothing to do with the virus. This has nothing to do with President Trump. - What this has to do is just another example of that Maggot Nancy Pelosi letting her ass over load her mouth ONE MORE TIME.
Pelosi at her little 5,000 a plate banquet made the incredible statement showing her total ignorance once again her stupidity saying well People in this Country who need things like Welfare and food stamps, yes it’s income assistance - - WE help them get back on their feet when times are tough. Great Nancy that’s not the moronic statement & words that spew out that mouth THIS IS THE IDIOTIC STATEMENT :
Her she is making crazy statements about Seniors on Social Security. She says " These people are Leeches - -All they do is suck from the public teat , and Take , Take , and Take. - -Really ? Screw you Nancy. Nancy goes on and says They ( Seniors ) are not taking Government money temporally , They ( Seniors ) have no intentions of rejoining the work force and once again becoming productive members of Society. - - Well dam Nancy ya think? - -Hell no were not planning on returning to the work force - -WHY ? - Because were Seniors you fricken idiot I’ve done my years in the work force, I would still be working if it wasn’t from Back surgeries that put me out. I would love to still be working.
Govt Money? - - Govt Money my ass. It’s my money, money they took out all these years so there WOULD be a Social Security for me when I grew old fricking idiot. She says ( Seniors ) that we just want to take forever and want no conditions placed on the money - -Hell no, I don’t need conditions placed on MY MONEY.
Here we go another brilliant statement out the mouth: Social Security recipients are NOTHING MORE then a Burden on Society, Anyone who thinks this bitch is worth any kind of a tinkers dam then you must of dropped what brains you got on the ground floor before the elevator started to go up - -HOLY CRAP - -BATMAN.
Good OLD Nancy and the Democratic party want to Eliminate the Seniors Income and Medical programs that we the ( Seniors ) have been paying into all our lives.
These wonderful outstanding individuals - -Cortez & Omar stated/called Social Security and the Medical " Entitlements " - -well YIPPEE Einstein that’s EXACTLY what it is - -and Me and every other single dam Senior is ENTITLED - holy crap - - stupid is - -stupid does -there is no defending this insane crap - -don’t even try.
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@jayballer73 This is an example of FAKE NEWS. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-ss-leeches/
That quote is completely made up.
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Be careful out there. Outrageous, sensational content is highly infectious. Facebook and other social media are to fake news what a hand rail on a NYC subway is to Covid-19.
@jayballer73 I would like to know where you found that info.
People who want to manipulate public perceptions are producing this stuff and targeting it.
