Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
Well the wall is actually being built, North Korea has been hostile long before trump. As for Iran maybe Trump send them a pallet of cash? You know to smooth things over. Puerto Rico is its own country. We sent them a lot of money. Maybe you should the Dem government over their where the money is going? Lol
The wall is a fence.
Puerto Rico is a US territory.
And when you’re a smart ass about all of this, you have proved my point.
He doesn’t have any big wins.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Puerto Rico is an American territory, not its own [shithole] country.
Key word territory. It has its own government. They don’t even pay taxes to the US
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Full Story As a candidate during the 2016 campaign, President Donald Trump criticized the international agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear weapons’ program — formally called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — that had been adopted the year before. He suggested that the U.S. had returned $150 billion to Iran as part of the deal.
That’s not true. We’ve written about this issue before. PolitiFact and the Washington Post have, too.
But Trump has repeated the claim as recently as December, when he tweeted: “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”
Trump’s bogus claim now has been repeated in a meme that references the president’s declaration of a national emergency to redirect federal funds for a proposed wall on the southern border.
The meme, which has been shared 149,000 times on Facebook, mentions the recent lawsuit brought against the Trump administration by 16 states to block the national emergency. The meme says: “So, when Obama bypassed the Congress while giving Iran 150 billion in cash, how many States had sued him?”
First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.
The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.
Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under secretary of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.
The part that the meme gets right, though, is that the deal didn’t get congressional approval. The Obama administration had maintained that the agreement wasn’t a treaty, which would have required approval by the Senate. Republicans did try to block the deal, but they weren’t able to get enough support to pass the legislation in the Senate.
However, the U.S. is now no longer part of the deal. Trump pulled out in May 2018.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
Well the wall is actually being built, North Korea has been hostile long before trump. As for Iran maybe Trump send them a pallet of cash? You know to smooth things over. Puerto Rico is its own country. We sent them a lot of money. Maybe you should the Dem government over their where the money is going? Lol
The wall is a fence.
Puerto Rico is a US territory.
And when you’re a smart ass about all of this, you have proved my point.
He doesn’t have any big wins.
Oh wow lol
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
Sure and we could say this about dozens of things taking up more than less than a tenth of a percent of the yearly budget.
It’s not some huge win.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
Sure and we could say this about dozens of things taking up more than less than a tenth of a percent of the yearly budget.
It’s not some huge win.
Hey I’m all about helping our environment, but don’t tell me we are going to bankrupt our Country so we can lower the average temp by not even a full degree. That makes no sense. Especially while China and India get to keep polluting at the high rates they are now. Not only that but these two countries would actually get money from the US. Go figure?
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Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
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United States isn’t actually doing that bad Its been on a downward trend for quite a while except for 2018. I think a lot of credit has to go to a obama in shutting down Coal. Even with Trump in office as he wants to bring back coal, it appears that it’s too late the energy companies have switched to natural gas. I don’t think we will go back to a Coal burning country. However that doesn’t mean we won’t sell it to places like China and India. But if we were in the Paris accord Would it really matter?
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
Thanks for lesson. I had no idea they could circumvent the devices and stuff. So in your opinion are the numbers they produce for the world to see are actually higher? Or I s it the cumulation of all the numbers that it comes in is about right?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Farmers are going bankrupt
Thought you didn’t want me to talk to you?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I’m not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you’ll have to label the side that I’m on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was ‘good’ (or ‘perfect’ as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually a dangerous leader.
Well call me delusional. I believe a leader, or a president can only go by the information that they have. January was a long time ago. Plus not to mention our government was enthralled in an impeachment trial that was a sham. And by your statement you are in fact kind of saying that if Trump would’ve acted earlier then he could’ve prevented the spread of the coronavirus. Is this not a fair statement?
I think the problem that you don’t see is we have a political party that makes up half the country if not more. The same party believes in open borders, and openly and publicly defies any of the presidents actions. Example sanctuary cities, and let’s also not forget Trumps ban on some Muslim countries was held up in the courts for months. So I’m not sure if Trump would’ve acted earlier It would have changed the current situation.
Btw Trump was pretty fast in shutting down the borders, even the medical experts say so.
Help me understand how shutting down the borders was significant. Some of the early outbreaks were in counties in Colorado and Idaho where there are ski resorts. Not exactly where immigrants flood into the country.
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Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
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You do know when I say borders I mean everything. Boats, planes, so on?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
Thanks for lesson. I had no idea they could circumvent the devices and stuff. So in your opinion are the numbers they produce for the world to see are actually higher? Or I s it the cumulation of all the numbers that it comes in is about right?
The emissions inventory for the world is way higher than reported. By how much? I have no clue.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
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I agree with the administration that pulling out of the Paris agreement made a lot of sense. The US is MUCH more efficient in carbon emissions per unit of output than the developed world. China already imports more coal than anyone and some non-binding targets with no teeth are just paper. If you believe noted right wing organization the NRDC (sarcasm), climate change will have the impact of a minor recession on the US, about 2% less a century from now vs. if the climate stayed as-is. My business is already overburdened with regulation and bad trade policy. Don’t need another whack upside the head.
Come on folks, a virus can’t be racist. It’s not even alive for cripes sake. Natural events can’t be racist. Full stop. Besides, critical theory is dumb. Anyone who puts forward a non-falsifiable theory as legitimate science is totally missing the boat. Not just my reading of the literature, Robin DiAngelo (the OG I’d critical theory) wrote a whole freaking book saying anyone who disagrees with her is experiencing “white fragility” and is therefore racist and promoting white supremacy. It’s all a load of garbage.
But! As I’ve said here a lot, the administration’s response to COVID has been too little, too late. The FDA dropped the ball on testing, the White House downplayed COVID in the winter, and Trump can’t get out of his own way at his pressers.
His domestic record is iffy at best. Trade? Terrible. Budget? Terrible. Immigration? Woof. Foreign policy? Meh. Some wins, mostly losses. Liked the TCJA both on the corporate and personal side though it was wounded. Health care? Lol. The GOP has no plan. There are lots of smart plans out there on the right on health care but the White House and R leadership in Congress has been meh. Trump’s real domestic success has been in the judiciary, which would’ve been the case under any other GOP administration. My man Cocaine Mitch just runs that train.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You do know when I say borders I mean everything. Boats, planes, so on?
That wasn’t clear, so thank you.
That said, he has repeatedly resisted shutting down travel within the US which would help protect his own people. Now, I’m not big on authoritarian, centralized federal controls, but I do think states look for leadership in moments of crisis. He could set a better tone that encourages safety over the freedom to roam and infect.
Some states still have no guidance to stay at home and keep distance from others. Residents of those states can travel to other states and infect others. That doesn’t help form a more perfect union.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
You made a statement and I simply asked you to explain it. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
I asked a question that you clearly won’t answer. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
Oh I’ve said many times I th8nk closing the borders is a great idea.
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What more do you want from me? You’re the one saying closing the borders is useless. I’m just asking why?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
I asked a question that you clearly won’t answer. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
Oh I’ve said many times I th8nk closing the borders is a great idea.
Nice.
That’s not what you said and not what I was asking you to explain.
Stop twisting.
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I’m truly confused
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I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
It’s better than making no sense
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I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
Great. I’m all for creating a vaccine.
Neither of these points were what we were talking about.
What a waste of time.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
You are a troll.
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And I think your a idiot
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
And I think your a idiot
Well done.
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Well done what?
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@bskeet a troll doesn’t Spend The amount of time I have been on the kubuckets talking about KU and politics. I don’t think you understand the definition of a troll.
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This paragraph pretty much sums it up: “ Trump’s daily jousts with the media recreate the adversarial dynamic of his 2016 campaign and much of his earlier presidency and invite his supporters to adopt his narrative of events rather than fact-based critiques of his conduct. This has been a successful device in the past to cement the anti-establishment President with his followers.”
Full opinion piece here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html
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https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
awful.
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@BShark nor this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media/pence-office-tv-bookings-coronavirus/index.html
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@DoubleDD I hope it works out for them and their hospitals do not get overwhelmed. They may have less dense population centers, and sparse gatherings may be more natural for them? The article does that indicate that the rate of infection is acelerating and their policy will likely have to be reevaluated soon. Hopefully they aren’t squandering a chance to control the outbreak better like UKs herd immunity plan. https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/uk-boris-johnson-coronavirus-icu-herd-immunity/
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