Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD tell me this. When did you become aware of “Obama wanting to build a wall”? Was it at the time “Obama wanted to build a wall” or was it when Trump “wanted to build a wall” and your media sources started pumping the maligned parity angle?
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Both.
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@DoubleDD I have watched it straight out his mouth. My opinion is unfiltered. What a gift to watch our supreme leader speak! The best!
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Let’s see you judge me for watching Fox News? However I watch left wing media outlets too. So I guess I don’t see your point?
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I have watched it straight out his mouth. My opinion is unfiltered. What a gift to watch our supreme leader speak! The best!
Think you need to be more specific?
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I think your perspective on the Democrats is only what is presented by the media, just like your perspective on Trump. And I’m not blaming you there. I didn’t watch many Obama press conferences either. I should have watched more. I’ve seen more first hand raw, uncut footage of Trump than all other president’s in my lifetime combined. Press conferences, state or the unions, rallies. And it’s all trash. The man is a narcissistic bullshitter. So please don’t try to tell me I don’t have my own opinion of him.
In general, I think seeing people speak uninterrupted and unfiltered would be good for us all. For instance, you gained an appreciation for Cuomo by seeing him speak directly.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
My point is that I think your perspective on the Democrats is only what is presented by the media, just like your perspective on Trump. And I’m not blaming you there. I didn’t watch many Obama press conferences either. I should have watched more. I’ve seen more first hand raw, uncut footage of Trump than all other president’s in my lifetime combined. Press conferences, state or the unions, rallies. And it’s all trash. The man is a narcissistic bullshitter. So please don’t try to tell me I don’t have my own opinion of him.
I’m sorry you think so shallow of me. My thoughts are born of their actions and not of some opinion of a no journalist tv face. Whether it be Fox, CNN, MNBC, or even the New York Times. You have to look pretty hard for true journalism.
Here’s one thing we can agree on? I too think Trump is a bit of Narcissist. Yet I don’t think that means he can’t do the job. In fact he’s been doing a pretty good Job in all phases. In my humble opinion.
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As for the DNC and the left wing media? They were trying to paint him as Russian spy? Lmao that is just crazy. The same DNC that sold a third of our uranium to the Russians. Talk about being hypocritical.
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President Trump removed the chairman of the federal panel that Congress created to oversee his administration’s management of the $2 trillion stimulus package.
Explain it away.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
President Trump removed the chairman of the federal panel that Congress created to oversee his administration’s management of the $2 trillion stimulus package.
Explain it away.
Well I’d have todo more research, but it seems Glen fine was reporting to the DNC powers before the president of the Untied States.
Should not the president know where this stimulus money is going? I mean this is the same congress that wanted millions for the Kennedy center in the Corona virus stimulus package.
I mean I get you don’t like or trust Trump, but he is still the president.
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Maybe we should start a new thread. We can call it is Trump a joke president?
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Now he’s blaming WHO for COVID.
Frankly, imo asking the question “is Trump a joke?” Is like asking “Is global warming real?”
It depends on how much you appreciate facts.
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What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Now he’s blaming WHO for COVID.
Frankly, imo asking the question “is Trump a joke?” Is like asking “Is global warming real?”
It depends on how much you appreciate facts.
Does someone need A Tylenol and a cuddle? Lol
Was watching the presser today as I’m off work. Skipped over most of it but there was one thing that kind of tripped me out. It appears that this Coronavirus is affecting the black Americans more so because of the health conditions. They didn’t have no numbers but that’s not good.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
That’s the one thing about hate. You can listen for hours and you just find that one thing to latch unto. Thing is I too think the WHO is a joke.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
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@DoubleDD preexisting health conditions is one factor.
Also… populations in the cities in question are predominantly black, they probably are lower income and can’t telecommute for their jobs, and may not have access to information about COVID or tests.
But white privilege doesn’t exist.
So I’m all in on “racist disease”. Final answer!
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
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Right to try?
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Secured Six billion to fight the opioid addiction?
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The VA right to choose act?
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With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
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Farmers are going bankrupt
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Secured Six billion to fight the opioid addiction?
This is what I’m looking for. More of this.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
Well the wall is actually being built, North Korea has been hostile long before trump. As for Iran maybe Trump should send them a pallet of cash? You know to smooth things over. Puerto Rico is its own country. We sent them a lot of money. Maybe you should Ask the Dem government over there where the money is going? Lol
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@DoubleDD Puerto Rico is an American territory, not its own [shithole] country.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
Well the wall is actually being built, North Korea has been hostile long before trump. As for Iran maybe Trump send them a pallet of cash? You know to smooth things over. Puerto Rico is its own country. We sent them a lot of money. Maybe you should the Dem government over their where the money is going? Lol
The wall is a fence.
Puerto Rico is a US territory.
And when you’re a smart ass about all of this, you have proved my point.
He doesn’t have any big wins.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Puerto Rico is an American territory, not its own [shithole] country.
Key word territory. It has its own government. They don’t even pay taxes to the US
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Full Story As a candidate during the 2016 campaign, President Donald Trump criticized the international agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear weapons’ program — formally called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — that had been adopted the year before. He suggested that the U.S. had returned $150 billion to Iran as part of the deal.
That’s not true. We’ve written about this issue before. PolitiFact and the Washington Post have, too.
But Trump has repeated the claim as recently as December, when he tweeted: “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”
Trump’s bogus claim now has been repeated in a meme that references the president’s declaration of a national emergency to redirect federal funds for a proposed wall on the southern border.
The meme, which has been shared 149,000 times on Facebook, mentions the recent lawsuit brought against the Trump administration by 16 states to block the national emergency. The meme says: “So, when Obama bypassed the Congress while giving Iran 150 billion in cash, how many States had sued him?”
First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.
The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.
Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under secretary of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.
The part that the meme gets right, though, is that the deal didn’t get congressional approval. The Obama administration had maintained that the agreement wasn’t a treaty, which would have required approval by the Senate. Republicans did try to block the deal, but they weren’t able to get enough support to pass the legislation in the Senate.
However, the U.S. is now no longer part of the deal. Trump pulled out in May 2018.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
Let me guess you give all the credit for the economy to Obama? Lol
I don’t. I just don’t think the president has hardly anything to do with it period. Businesses make business decisions. It goes in ebbs and flows.
Sure policy can affect it. But it naturally has highs and lows.
So you don’t think removing red tape and creating new trade deals has no affect?
Reducing regulations is always at another expense and only ever a temporary adrenaline shot.
Give me the economic increase from the trade deals off the top of your head. (Hint: they weren’t substantially different than their predecessors)
I’m no economist but every indicator said the Trump economy is a very good. The lowest unemployment rates across the board for everybody regardless of race or gender. Factory jobs coming back. I don’t know what to tell you.
Well go back to my original post.
Give me one defining success outside of the economy that was wiped away by the flu hoax.
Where is the wall? Where is new and improved Obamacare? Why are Troops not home? North Korea is still hostile. Iran is at a breaking point. Puerto Rico is still struggling to recover.
Im asking for what positives am I missing?
Well the wall is actually being built, North Korea has been hostile long before trump. As for Iran maybe Trump send them a pallet of cash? You know to smooth things over. Puerto Rico is its own country. We sent them a lot of money. Maybe you should the Dem government over their where the money is going? Lol
The wall is a fence.
Puerto Rico is a US territory.
And when you’re a smart ass about all of this, you have proved my point.
He doesn’t have any big wins.
Oh wow lol
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
Sure and we could say this about dozens of things taking up more than less than a tenth of a percent of the yearly budget.
It’s not some huge win.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
With Drew the United States from the Paris accord climate crap?
Lol yes the US, Turkey and Iran. What company to keep.
Why yes why not? Why would the US taxpayer want to be in that accord?
Because I want my kids and grandkids to have an Earth.
Because the US is picking up the bill what are the countries like China and India get to continue to pollute the world at the same levels they are now dumb ass
That doesn’t absolve us from doing our part.
Agreed, but no reason to waste money on Something that really has no effect on the climate.
Sure and we could say this about dozens of things taking up more than less than a tenth of a percent of the yearly budget.
It’s not some huge win.
Hey I’m all about helping our environment, but don’t tell me we are going to bankrupt our Country so we can lower the average temp by not even a full degree. That makes no sense. Especially while China and India get to keep polluting at the high rates they are now. Not only that but these two countries would actually get money from the US. Go figure?
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Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
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United States isn’t actually doing that bad Its been on a downward trend for quite a while except for 2018. I think a lot of credit has to go to a obama in shutting down Coal. Even with Trump in office as he wants to bring back coal, it appears that it’s too late the energy companies have switched to natural gas. I don’t think we will go back to a Coal burning country. However that doesn’t mean we won’t sell it to places like China and India. But if we were in the Paris accord Would it really matter?
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Since you guys are talking about pollution, I have some first hand knowledge of this. I test emissions from smoke stack across all industries in the US. One thing I can tell you (some of it is classified) is the the emissions reported are WAAAAAAAY under represented.
Once I get onsite and start collecting numbers, I sometimes spend a solid day tuning them in. And once I leave… guess I what? They crank their settings back to how ever they want and continue to operate.
This doesn’t happen to all facilities, but some and the ones that do are really bad.
Just curious how do they turn it back up?
Well it depends on the facility and a particular emission control device. Most places have more than one type of emission point depending on their process.
I’ll do an example of a gold mine. As you could imagine they extract dirt from the ground. Once that is out and moving on a conveyer belt it then gets crushed. Gold, rocks, everything. When it is crushed, it is all enclosed at a negative pressure. Nothing goes to atmosphere at this point. The dust is send through a cyclone separating heavier particles from the light particles. The light particles then gets filtered out through a filter. After that it goes to the atmosphere This type of control device is called a baghouse.
There are different areas where they extract this dirt. Some areas in the mine have cleaner oar than others but have less gold content. So what they do is have the clean oar in the system while we test and then I’ve we’re done they switch back releasing particulate. Mainly particulate that measures <10 microns which can cause lung cancer to the employees.
That’s just one example. Like I said I do basically all types of industries that have a wide range of control devices.
Sorry I can be long winded at times
Wow had no idea. Good stuff. I always figured the cleansing device was just set. Had no idea you could adjust it. Or am I wrong and more of a process?
The part(s) that are set isn’t necessarily doing a damn thing. The only thing that has to stay set, in this example, is the negative pressure (the pressure of the fan that is drawing in particles) and a feed rate. There’s no regulations on which oar they can and can’t use.
It’s kind of shitty what some places get away with.
Thanks for lesson. I had no idea they could circumvent the devices and stuff. So in your opinion are the numbers they produce for the world to see are actually higher? Or I s it the cumulation of all the numbers that it comes in is about right?
