Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know
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Well we have all heard or discussed about how the future of the Big 12 isn’t looking very good. - -We all know the break up of the league is an almost certain thing to happen in the not to distant future.
Was checking out the Oklahoma Board tonight see if I could find anything about their game with us tomorrow and saw this.
They have a link and they were discussing about it on the board. - - As of 2024 , right at 4 years guys , as of 2024 the Big Ten is going to be paying each team in their league an un godly 80.7 million per team - - - -AND the SEC is going to be paying 78.1 million per team. - -there you guy my friends,
Oklahoma people saying with all the poor TV broadcasts , with a lot of small fan bases herein the Big 12 that there is no way that something like this will do anything but force OU out of the Big 12 & with OU out of the league they said there won’t be anything to Entice Texas to stay in the Big 12. They’re already talking about whether they would shift to the Big 10 or the Sec, talking about how things would effect their recruiting.
We all knew this was coming, I don’t think there is anyway that the league can with stand this - if we were to lose OU & TEXAS , just to much to over come. There has been a lot of talk about the league breaking up anyways , this just adds more to that feeling - -
They was also talking about how this kind of thing would really hurt the Pac 12. - they have a link on this but I just don’t know how to pull it over here. - might as well face it this league is toast in the not to far future. - -time to figure out where we gonna land - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The new deals always make the older deals look bad. Then you renegotiate. Mega conferences are crap for the fans, so hopefully the Big12 commish negotiates well.
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@dylans said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
The new deals always make the older deals look bad. Then you renegotiate. Mega conferences are crap for the fans, so hopefully the Big12 commish negotiates well.
I don’t think you are going to see anything that is going to save the Big 12my friend. - What it’s going to boil down to is about 4-5 MEGA Conferences. Big East - - - ACC - - -SEC - - possibly Pac-12 - -I think also there are a lot of unsettling Amins with th4 Big 12 an the way things are going. I just think that this conference is history
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You honestly think the big East is in better shape than the Big12? Do they even play football?
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@dylans said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
You honestly think the big East is in better shape than the Big12? Do they even play football?
Maybe he meant to say Big 10 instead of Big East.
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I felt it would be done when this media contract runs out. I think if the B10 picked up us, KSU And ISU. They could gain some prominence in both football and BB.
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@dylans said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
You honestly think the big East is in better shape than the Big12? Do they even play football?
Just another MEGA Conference - -the Big 12 of surviving stands no chance if the SEC & Big 10 doing this. Oklahoma sounds or the fans already planning
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@kjayhawks I HOPE we have a way out as well…with the B1G or SEC. Doubt anyone other than OU and UT have a “guaranteed” way out, if either or both “want” to leave—and with the money involved that is a GREAT possibility. I can’t imagine the B1G picking up either KSU (academics, as well as a duplicate if they picked up KU) or ISU (duplicate in a relatively small state), and I don’t think either would be “worth” the $70M-$80M share distribution of the conference. I’m not sure we have that value “alone” either, but would “average” that amount with either OU or UT, or both as a "tag-along school. Think we have a decent chance at B1G IF they expand (if they lose both UT & OU not sure they would expand at all) and even the SEC (kinda keeps the B1G from expansion without the ACC (because of the ACC GOR) and PAC12 (possibly too far away except for Colorado, which probably prefers the PAC for all of their CA alums). The SEC (for better or worse) would realign us with MIzzou and make KU-UK games a yearly affair. The SEC is already strong in football so it could use some more BB talent, not to mention another AAU school. I just don’t see KSU, ISU or anyone other than possibly TT having a home (and that only if UT “insists”) other than in a “reformed” B12 which would probably no longer be a “power” conference if both OU & UT left , and maybe not even if only one of those two left.
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@dylans said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
You honestly think the big East is in better shape than the Big12? Do they even play football?
No, I’m not looking at it from my own point of view. I’m looking at them as another Mega Conference being on the East coast. - you only going to have maybe 5 megs Conferences tops. - Big 12 sure the hell isn’t going to over take a media Conference being in big time social media markets - -especially if Texas and Oklahoma leave. The rest of the big 12 going to be left picking up with the rest of the pieces
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@ICThawk said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
@kjayhawks I HOPE we have a way out as well…with the B1G or SEC. Doubt anyone other than OU and UT have a “guaranteed” way out, if either or both “want” to leave—and with the money involved that is a GREAT possibility. I can’t imagine the B1G picking up either KSU (academics, as well as a duplicate if they picked up KU) or ISU (duplicate in a relatively small state), and I don’t think either would be “worth” the $70M-$80M share distribution of the conference. I’m not sure we have that value “alone” either, but would “average” that amount with either OU or UT, or both as a "tag-along school. Think we have a decent chance at B1G IF they expand (if they lose both UT & OU not sure they would expand at all) and even the SEC (kinda keeps the B1G from expansion without the ACC (because of the ACC GOR) and PAC12 (possibly too far away except for Colorado, which probably prefers the PAC for all of their CA alums). The SEC (for better or worse) would realign us with MIzzou and make KU-UK games a yearly affair. The SEC is already strong in football so it could use some more BB talent, not to mention another AAU school. I just don’t see KSU, ISU or anyone other than possibly TT having a home (and that only if UT “insists”) other than in a “reformed” B12 which would probably no longer be a “power” conference if both OU & UT left , and maybe not even if only one of those two left.
from all the different discussions/talk that I have heard, if the Big 12 dissolves chances are we would probably be taken in by the Big 10. - -mostly our Basketball history would get us in there, take even more beatings in football.
Now I have hear somewhere something like there might be something hell I’m not clearon this but within the Kansas Legislature , if something like this did happen the Legislature wants KU/KSU to go as a package deal keeping the state schools together - - if that is true , I think that is crazy they could be a real crutch for us. I don’t know where the hell KSU would go, really don’t bring anything to the table
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Well, if the Kansas legislature is faced of having ONE school in a “power” conference as opposed to NO schools in a “power” conference, they might change their minds (if legislators actually have minds). I’m not sure how they would pass a “law” that requires KU & KSU to be in the same conference but I supposed at least some KSU alum in the legislature might try it. As to your comment re the B1G, I certainly hope you are correct, though I think what you are hearing is more wishful thinking than economic reality. If the B1G doesn’t get OU or UT, I just don’t see them expanding at all. Why would they? I don’t think the SEC would expand either unless they get OU and/or UT. Unfortunately KU just doesn’t add enough economic value on its own to increase the per school distribution in either conference. So why expand? In fact I think it would would probably DEcrease the payout per member with KU alone, not what most schools in a conference would desire. I think our best hope is to be a “tag along” with either OU or UT to either the B1G or SEC (I doubt we can be “picky”) in which case the “average” value of the pair would still be an increased payout. If the SEC gets both OU & UT, our only hope would probably be that UT “insists” on TT ( I don’t think OU can “insist” on OSU) and KU tags along as the 4th to keep the numbers “even”. I would guess by the 2030s the distributions will be so high in the B1G and SEC that few schools (MAYBE Notre Dame, Florida State and possibly Clemson) would bring enough value to merit inclusion in either of them. The only “exception” I would make would be IF somehow, we can cut out or significantly reduce the amount the NCAA takes from “March Madness”. That would make a basketball school MUCH more valuable instead of just relying on football for much of the value of a school, at least as far as media payouts are concerned.
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The only schools of value in the Big12 are OU and Texas. Football drives this whole deal. KU is totally screwed if it goes down the way it’s being portrayed here. It won’t. There are too many teams for the Big East and the Big 12 to just go away in order to make the 4 mega conferences -SEC, ACC, B10, Pac12. Half the teams in these conference already suck hind tit and don’t add anything I.e Vanderbilt so why would they want to add teams like ISU or KSU and water down the contract for everyone? The Big12 isn’t going away it just might not have the same teams in it down the road. The addition of the Texas teams doomed the conference as we knew it - lost Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri - no need to worry change is coming, but unlike what the last potus taught us change isn’t all bad.
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@dylans said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
The only schools of value in the Big12 are OU and Texas. Football drives this whole deal. KU is totally screwed if it goes down the way it’s being portrayed here. It won’t. There are too many teams for the Big East and the Big 12 to just go away in order to make the 4 mega conferences -SEC, ACC, B10, Pac12. Half the teams in these conference already suck hind tit and don’t add anything I.e Vanderbilt so why would they want to add teams like ISU or KSU and water down the contract for everyone? The Big12 isn’t going away it just might not have the same teams in it down the road. The addition of the Texas teams doomed the conference as we knew it - lost Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri - no need to worry change is coming, but unlike what the last potus taught us change isn’t all bad.
Could very well be right, but like you mentioned whether IF the Big 12 does withstand this, again sure looks like Texas and Oklahoma will be gone. That will hurt, from revenue the Big 12 pulls in on Bowl games for one.
Then you have to ask if Texas pulls out , Does TCU - - Texas Tech also pull out with them Does Baylor pull out ? - -All Texas based Schools. - -If Oklahoma pull out , does Oklahoma State follow their in state School and also pullout ?
This is another reason it could be the collapse. we lose all those schools what do you have left? - Then we have to go out and recruit new Schools, Who we going to get to join that makes geographical sense ? - - We best try t o at least pull a couple of big time names. – We need some glamour teams to or for us to get reconized . - -The league needs luster/attraction to help in recruiting purposes, and I’m talking from a football standpoint here on this. - -We already suck attracting talent anyways and if we don’t have teams that has some national attraction football wise going to just make it even harder to try an get a kid that’s worth a dam to come play in a so so league THAT’S NOT GOOD
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Other than OU & UT, I don’t think any school out of the B12 has a “guaranteed” home. As of right now, I think KU will PROBABLY come out OK…and surprisingly probably to the SEC, despite our football!! UT & KU both have pretty long records with ESPN so I’m thinking that ESPN doesn’t want to lose either if it can help it. So, unless there is some kind of “deal” between Fox & ESPN “exchanging” some teams, I think ESPN would try to keep both. As the conferences ESPN is “all in” on are the ACC & SEC (as well as the AAC), think only the SEC makes sense geographically and compatibility wise (though admittedly the “culture” of the SEC may be a little “odd” for KU). (Do remember that we may be beginning to “adjust” to that culture given our AD’s and football coach’s lineages.). Other than OU, UT and PROBABLY KU and TT, think the rest of the conference will be “as is” and simply expand mostly out of the AAC to get to 12 or 14 (or even possibly “merge” with it). It could well become a “tweener” conference in the pecking order with the Power Conferences (B1G, SEC), then “Secondary Conferences” (ACC & PAC12 , possibly with the BigEast considered for basketball only), then the B12, then a “reformed” AAC , followed by all the other conferences in some order. However, there are still several years until “realignment hell” is upon us so things could well change (for the better, or for the worse) in that time frame! Buckle up…it could be a wild ride!!
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@ICThawk said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
Other than OU & UT, I don’t think any school out of the B12 has a “guaranteed” home. As of right now, I think KU will PROBABLY come out OK…and surprisingly probably to the SEC, despite our football!! UT & KU both have pretty long records with ESPN so I’m thinking that ESPN doesn’t want to lose either if it can help it. So, unless there is some kind of “deal” between Fox & ESPN “exchanging” some teams, I think ESPN would try to keep both. As the conferences ESPN is “all in” on are the ACC & SEC (as well as the AAC), think only the SEC makes sense geographically and compatibility wise (though admittedly the “culture” of the SEC may be a little “odd” for KU). (Do remember that we may be beginning to “adjust” to that culture given our AD’s and football coach’s lineages.). Other than OU, UT and PROBABLY KU and TT, think the rest of the conference will be “as is” and simply expand mostly out of the AAC to get to 12 or 14 (or even possibly “merge” with it). It could well become a “tweener” conference in the pecking order with the Power Conferences (B1G, SEC), then “Secondary Conferences” (ACC & PAC12 , possibly with the BigEast considered for basketball only), then the B12, then a “reformed” AAC , followed by all the other conferences in some order. However, there are still several years until “realignment hell” is upon us so things could well change (for the better, or for the worse) in that time frame! Buckle up…it could be a wild ride!!
Very well said - very soli. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 None of us want that to happen, but it might. If it does, my guess is that OU and Texas would land in the SEC and KU to the Big20 (Lol, Big10).
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@Marco said in Sure tell , tell signs of Big 12 Demise as if we didn't know:
@jayballer73 None of us want that to happen, but it might. If it does, my guess is that OU and Texas would land in the SEC and KU to the Big20 (Lol, Big10).
Ya from everything I’ve read and heard is that IF it does happen that’s where we land . - -Not sure if this exact scenario will play out but I would almost be willing to bet that in some shape or form that the Big 12 is toast - - -sooner then later. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I got caught up in this back when Missouri and Nebraska left.
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First the Big ten or any conference is not interested in Iowa state. Not even close.
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The Big ten or any conference is not interested in KU and Kstate together. Not even close.
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Yes the Big ten is interested in KU. As is the sec and acc a little.
You have to think like a business person not a fan. The Big Ten gains nothing by getting iowa st, or kstate. Nothing. In fact they lose. However KU has a chance. The thing about KU is it doesn’t directly affect the bottom line, but it does indirectly.
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Every time the KU basketball team steps on the court it’s national tele. Meaning it’s helps fellow schools with national exposure and recruiting.
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KU is a AUU school which means big tax monies for research.
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Also KU is basically Kansas City’s NBA team. Not the biggest market but still good enough.
Trust me. Don’t think like a fan. Think like a business person.
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Missouri has been trying so hard to get back into a rivalry with Ku, since what after two years in the SEC. Why? you think the tigers brass cares about the the rivalry? You think they really care? No they got used like a two dollar whore, by the Sec. The SEC wanted the tigers because they are in Missouri. The way these tv contracts work is if you live in Missouri and have satellite or cable you get charged for Missouri being in the sec even if you don’t even watch a game.
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It’s apart of your package
