The democratic nominee
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@FarmerJayhawk what is a process argument?
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@approxinfinity arguing about the methods we use to get from point A to point B (e.g. the filibuster or any parliamentary procedure, the powers of certain branches of government, etc.) When I was in state politics during the Obama years we were always told by D’s to just “do what Obama says!!” including things that were clearly outside his authority. Now, those same people are all about defying the administration and supporting their D governor. You can find Senators of both parties both praising the filibuster as both a threat to the Republic and unconstitutional yet when they’re in the minority its a bulwark against the tyranny of the majority and key to securing compromise. All of it’s garbage. Just folks making whatever argument suits their agenda. No real principle involved.
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@FarmerJayhawk I totally agree and think that has always been somewhat true. I do think Mitch has pushed us further in that direction. He is well known for drudging up old procedural precedents to suit his current agenda. He’s not the only one and it’s definitely on both sides, but I do think he is one of the biggest abusers of such arguments.
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@benshawks08 said in The democratic nominee:
@FarmerJayhawk I totally agree and think that has always been somewhat true. I do think Mitch has pushed us further in that direction. He is well known for drudging up old procedural precedents to suit his current agenda. He’s not the only one and it’s definitely on both sides, but I do think he is one of the biggest abusers of such arguments.
To his credit he’s always defended the legislative filibuster.
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@FarmerJayhawk But quite memorably not ALL filabusters.
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@benshawks08 said in The democratic nominee:
@FarmerJayhawk But quite memorably not ALL filabusters.
True. Harry Reid was warned for starting this. Cocaine Mitch plays for keeps
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@benshawks08 also good points my friend
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@BShark I love how this was breaking news yesterday. You mean a Democrat endorses his former running mate and friend whom is also a Democrat, first I’ve heard of it.
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@kjayhawks Don’t forget he’s the ONLY democrat left in the field! In other breaking news, Ivanka supports Trump’s bid for reelection…
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@benshawks08 exactly maybe they are running out of stories lol
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Donald Trump should not be blamed for not shutting down the country because he does not have that authority. He cannot issue a nationwide “stay at home” order like governors or local officials can. That’s outside his power.
So I hold no issue with him on actually shutting down the country.
The problem is the messaging has been confusing at best. Because Trump has a very strong following, when he says something, it resonates with a lot of people, to the point that if he says that something is a big deal, it is a big deal to those people, and if he says something is nothing to worry about, those people won’t worry about it.
As a result of having such a strong and loyal following, though, he has a large responsibility to keep those people informed of what is going on, because they won’t take something seriously if he doesn’t say it (or worse yet, says that it isn’t anything to worry about). That’s what happened here. Trump said COVID-19 was a hoax, and that it would disappear. So the people loyal to him dismissed reports that were counter to those statements. As a result, even now we have people that, despite all of the deaths and other issues, are still not really taking this seriously. That’s not good at any time, but especially during a public health crisis.
And why is it that a public health crisis is so different? Well, simply put, we need close to 100% buy-in for any action to be effective in a public health crisis. This isn’t about Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, moderates, right, left, etc. This is an infectious disease. Anyone can get it. Anyone can pass it along. That puts everyone at risk if even a minority of people continue to spread the virus.
The message has to be consistent about the risks, the dangers, and the way forward. That’s important in any crisis, but especially during a public health crisis, where you have to have nearly unanimous buy in for anything to work.
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@justanotherfan exactly how I see it my friend.
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@justanotherfan said in The democratic nominee:
Donald Trump should not be blamed for not shutting down the country because he does not have that authority. He cannot issue a nationwide “stay at home” order like governors or local officials can. That’s outside his power.
So I hold no issue with him on actually shutting down the country.
The problem is the messaging has been confusing at best. Because Trump has a very strong following, when he says something, it resonates with a lot of people, to the point that if he says that something is a big deal, it is a big deal to those people, and if he says something is nothing to worry about, those people won’t worry about it.
Doesn’t that fanbase include ignorant governors and constituents of governors that are riding on his coattails?
Really hard for me to see the responsibility for lack of consistent shutdowns as being much different from lack of consistent messaging and leadership which had a very direct impact on the lack of consistent shutdowns.
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I’m a bit confused here. I don’t really remember a Paul Revere riding in the nite warning the coronavirus is coming, the coronavirus is coming. The media says it was no big deal? The governors didn’t think it was a big deal. Yet when Trump did try todo something he was called a racist by the Dem media and the soon to be elected Biden. Who sense later apologized. Is Trump wrong not to post that the states and their governors woefully unprepared for a virus like this. Are we not saying the states should decide went to open back up? The same states that didn’t have enough masks or ventilators in stock pile? Yet we just blame Trump? Good luck with that at the ballot box. The American people are tired of a party that says they care but would rather make it a priority to secure monies for the Kennedy Center and illegal immigrants, in A bill that was supposed to help the American people. This is what you guys don’t get Trump loves America and whether you believe it or not Americans love him.
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@DoubleDD Trump sat on his thumbs for a month (and that’s a conservative measure) ignoring warning signs and telling the public the coronavirus wasn’t issue and that he had a natural gift for being a doctor, proclaiming the closing of the borders as a “mission accomplished” moment, and that he didn’t want the Diamond Princess included in his death tally because it would look bad, etc.
If you can’t see that this guy is a self-absorbed idiot who was distracted by petty nonsense while coronavirus was spreading in the US, and if you think that the President of the United States doesn’t have influence to help stop the spread of a global pandemic, there’s nothing I can tell you.
Which is it, very stable genius or idiot who was caught unaware? Or what, did the very stable genius realize what was happening but not do anything because it’s the governors’ job? This spin job doesn’t work.
Stop chugging the hydroxychloroquine.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD Trump sat on his thumbs for a month (and that’s a conservative measure) ignoring warning signs and telling the public the coronavirus wasn’t issue and that he had a natural gift for being a doctor, proclaiming the closing of the borders as a “mission accomplished” moment, and that he didn’t want the Diamond Princess included in his death tally because it would look bad, etc.
If you can’t see that this guy is a self-absorbed idiot who was distracted by petty nonsense while coronavirus was spreading in the US, and if you think that the President of the United States doesn’t have influence to help stop the spread of a global pandemic, there’s nothing I can tell you.
Which is it, very stable genius or idiot who was caught unaware? Or what, did the very stable genius realize what was happening but not do anything because it’s the governors’ job? This spin job doesn’t work.
Stop chugging the hydroxychloroquine.
Actually the hydroxychloroquine does help. Just saying. The only spin I see is trying to forget what the media, the Dem party, and Joe Biden said about a Trump closing down the country. Which appears from the conversation he didn’t have the power todo. Yet still gets blamed for not doing it earlier.
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But let’s blame trump?
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Man, I’ve seen some dumb ass trolls on message boards and forums since the birth of the internet, but we’ve got us a keeper here.
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@DanR let’s refrain from calling each other [edit] dumbasses. I can get extremely frustrated at @DoubleDD but at least he’s trying to have a conversation with people who have differing opinions which is more than we can say about our idiot president. And yes, if @theRealDonaldTrump became a user on here I guess I wouldn’t be allowed to call him an idiot anymore and my head would explode.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DanR let’s refrain from calling each other idiots. I can get extremely frustrated at @DoubleDD but at least he’s trying to have a conversation with people who have differing opinions which is more than we can say about our idiot president. And yes, if @theRealDonaldTrump became a user on here I guess I wouldn’t be allowed to call him an idiot anymore and my head would explode.
Ty appreciate the support I’m just offering a different point of view that’s all.
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@DanR I may have misread you. Was “troll” a person or an action in your post? Lol
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@DanR look at the date of my video that was mid February.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DanR I may have misread you. Was troll a person or an action in your post? Lol
Well if you want me to leave I can go? It’s your website. I can respect the wishes of the members.
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@DoubleDD the differentiation I’m making is that I read his post as calling you a dumbass troll. But he may have been saying your post was a dumbass troll. Maybe it’s semantics but I find the former more offensive. People can do dumb things and that doesn’t make them dumb. It leaves open the door to change. Humans are amazingly adaptable. That’s my point.
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To be honest I’m kind of offended. I’ve been a member of this website when it left kusports. Yet because I have some different points of view and Political believes somehow I’m a troll now? @approxinfinity I thought you created this political forum for a good conversation and debates. Yet it seems if you disagree with the core of the group well then you’re just a troll?
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@DoubleDD I do think your post was extremely misguided to @DanR 's point! Pelosi saying people shouldn’t be afraid of Chinatown has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s circus. Completely different and massive orders of magnitude more influential.
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@DoubleDD I think you are missing my point. I don’t think he should call you, the person, Mr DoubleDD a troll. However, calling your post a troll is different than calling you a troll in my mind. But it’s a nuance you may not see the difference in, and that’s fine. People have different sensibilities on that. Doesn’t matter.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD I do think your post was extremely misguided to @DanR 's point! Pelosi saying people shouldn’t be afraid of Chinatown has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s circus. Completely different and massive orders of magnitude more influential.
Nobody is afraid of china town. The point is Nancy was holding a gathering in a public space without any thought to the virus. And this was mid February.
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Let that sink in?
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@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
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@DoubleDD ok. She shouldn’t have done that. It was ill-advised. But what’s your point? What does Nancy Pelosi walking around Chinatown have to do with the President’s clown show?
I don’t see why it’s so hard to acknowledge that Donald Trump isn’t qualified to be president, rather than trying to find some comp of Nancy Pelosi out in public.
I would have done a better job as president handling this crisis. And I’m not special. I’m just some dude. There, I said it. I wasn’t wandering around Chinatown late February. I was staying tf home. So I compare the president to me, not to anyone else. And he’s a failure. Approxinfinity 4 Prez 2028!
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@kjayhawks it seems like there’s a whole lot more to Trump’s handling of coronavirus than accusations of racism and circular reasoning…
To your point, yeah, we need to stay civil. When Trump is gone we will heal and move on.
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD ok. She shouldn’t have done that. It was ill-advised. But what’s your point? What does Nancy Pelosi walking around Chinatown have to do with the President’s clown show?
I don’t see why it’s so hard to acknowledge that Donald Trump isn’t qualified to be president, rather than trying to find some comp of Nancy Pelosi out in public.
I would have done a better job as president handling this crisis. And I’m not special. I’m just some dude. There, I said it. I wasn’t wandering around Chinatown late February. I was staying tf home. So I compare the president to me, not to anyone else. And he’s a failure. Approxinfinity 4 Prez 2028!
The point is the Dem party has defied the president at every turn. Ever think how many people got infected that day? Yet we sit here and blame Trump. No blame goes to Nancy
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks it seems like there’s a whole lot more to Trump’s handling of coronavirus than accusations of racism and circular reasoning…
To your point, yeah, we need to stay civil. When Trump is gone we will heal and move on.
Trump 2020 he’s earned it. Even if he is a narcissist. Yes I agree.
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@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
I’m not the one calling names. I’m just posting a different point of view. I guess it’s like how a conservative speaker can’t speak on on a college campus anymore for fear of their life. And conservatives are nazi’s?
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The point is the Dem party has defied the president at every turn. Ever think how many people got infected that day? Yet we sit here and blame Trump. No blame goes to Nancy
Nancy Pelosi walked around Chinatown on the Feb 24th… How is that defying the President? Your narrative is scrambled here…
Here’s what President Trump was doing at the same time:
Feb. 13
In an interview with Geraldo Rivera, Trump characterized the threat of the virus in the U.S. by saying: “In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases, and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it’s actually less.”
Feb. 24
In a tweet, Trump wrote, “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 26
In a news conference, Trump said: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Seems like she’s jaunting around Chinatown with Trump’s blessing? Maybe she actually thought he was making informed statements…
Donald Trump has earned nothing except a swift kick to the curb.
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@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
I’m not the one calling names. I’m just posting a different point of view. I guess it’s like how a conservative speaker can’t speak on on a college campus anymore for fear of their life. And conservatives are nazi’s?
Some extreme trolling right here. I didn’t call it dumbass trolling. Just extreme trolling.
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OK I’m done. It’s not worth it. I need to do something more productive. Good night.
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@approxinfinity maybe you’re the one trolling? Only blame Our president but never blame anybody else?
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@DoubleDD Sure, I blame you and 61,943,669 other people that voted for Donald Trump. Duh!
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@DanR lol!
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
I’m not the one calling names. I’m just posting a different point of view. I guess it’s like how a conservative speaker can’t speak on on a college campus anymore for fear of their life. And conservatives are nazi’s?
Some extreme trolling right here. I didn’t call it dumbass trolling. Just extreme trolling.
Yet is it not true? Are not conservatives refrained on college campuses? For the colleges can’t give them the protection needed. What are these kids being taught? Doesn’t the media treat and even says the rep party is Nazism? Just saying
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD Sure, I blame you and 61,943,669 other people that voted for Donald Trump. Duh!
Lmao
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in The democratic nominee:
@DanR lol!
Ah there she is. She claims to be a Republican but calls pence a puppet? Lol pence is far right as you can get. Duh
The man won’t even have a meal or meeting with another woman unless his wife is there.
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@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
I’m not the one calling names. I’m just posting a different point of view. I guess it’s like how a conservative speaker can’t speak on on a college campus anymore for fear of their life. And conservatives are nazi’s?
Some extreme trolling right here. I didn’t call it dumbass trolling. Just extreme trolling.
Yet is it not true? Are not conservatives refrained on college campuses? For the colleges can’t give them the protection needed. What are these kids being taught? Doesn’t the media treat and even says the rep party is Nazism? Just saying
As an instructor at a college campus I can say a couple things on this. 1) liberals are much more resistant to hearing opposing ideas than conservatives 2) this doesn’t necessarily mean conservatives are oppressed 3) I’ve had conservatives come up to me and say thank you for trying to include all sides of a conversation since they’re obviously a distinct minority.
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@DoubleDD hey duh, see if you can get this right, last time. I’ve been a rep. all my life til trump came along. Voted republican for all the the presidents. Not everything else though, just prez. I’ve had close friends on the other side and I’ve always been a moderate. But then the dumbest, biggest liar, fake Christian, and cheater, etc came along. I can see right thru him. I use to watch the apprentice. I seriously can not find one morally good thing to say about him. The more he opens his mouth the worse he gets. I seriously can’t understand how anyone can believe anything he says. My only understanding is they only watch fox and are spoon fed
. Any person can fact check his lies. I’m shocked you can’t see thru them. Do you watch his press conferences? I like the press! They ask him hard questions that piss him off cause they catch him in lies. Back to your question, I switched to democrat at the KS state fair after the election. I never vote straight party. Done!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@DoubleDD @approxinfinity @DanR We have to be able to see it from the other side without insulting and fighting each other. There is truth to both sides. Have the Dems labeled virtually everything Trump has done including his initial China travel ban racist? Yes, without question. Has Trump back tracked and gave circular reasoning? Yes, without question.
I’m not the one calling names. I’m just posting a different point of view. I guess it’s like how a conservative speaker can’t speak on on a college campus anymore for fear of their life. And conservatives are nazi’s?
Some extreme trolling right here. I didn’t call it dumbass trolling. Just extreme trolling.
Yet is it not true? Are not conservatives refrained on college campuses? For the colleges can’t give them the protection needed. What are these kids being taught? Doesn’t the media treat and even says the rep party is Nazism? Just saying
As an instructor at a college campus I can say a couple things on this. 1) liberals are much more resistant to hearing opposing ideas than conservatives 2) this doesn’t necessarily mean conservatives are oppressed 3) I’ve had conservatives come up to me and say thank you for trying to include all sides of a conversation since they’re obviously a distinct minority.
You are the exception. I believe you. You are smarter and better at expressing your thoughts than I. You command much respect. I notice when you go against the grain everybody backs off. A tip of my cap. But even you must admit conservatives don’t get the same respect as radical speakers on college campuses?
