Wilson to Kansas
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BShark said:
@approxinfinity So we really only disagree on Wilson. I don’t think he’s a world beater but I really think we do need his shooting and he is much more ready than Enaruna or Braun.
Isnt he going to get abused on D? And is he really that good a shooter? I don’t think the pluses outweight the minuses having him on the floor until he gets Hudyized.
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approxinfinity said:
BShark said:
@approxinfinity So we really only disagree on Wilson. I don’t think he’s a world beater but I really think we do need his shooting and he is much more ready than Enaruna or Braun.
Isnt he going to get abused on D? And is he really that good a shooter? I don’t think the pluses outweight the minuses having him on the floor.
To be fair I’m not calling for 25+ minutes here. Just a rotation piece. Somebody has to get the minutes. Very possible Mitch plays way more than I am hoping.
Part of it is also that I am not sold on Silvio getting absolutely huge minutes. He very well may end up in the 25 range like you are guessing though. He is really still a relative unknown at this point.
I think Wilson is very playable defensively at the 4 in most match-ups.
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May I opine? Are we one of the six? Yes. Are we one of the two that are going to get the hammer? No… They have ruled Silvio eligible - who we sat after there were doubts, which came after the NCAA(!) ruled him eligible the first time - and we never even played Preston. We are in the clear, folks, in the clear. We have a great, deep team loaded with stayers not goers (with a couple of deservedly so goers), I’ll take that. Let’s enjoy! Oh, and by the way, I guarantee that Bill like ourselves (including the RJ fiasco) has learned from all of this. What did Rodgers say? R-E-L-A-X, relax…
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@Marco Wrong thread methinks.
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@BShark Maybe @BShark but my wrong headed ways - knowing how power hungry obese entites think and function (trust me, I know) when they are up against a firing squad wall - are exactly the kind of logic needed when deciphering what, if anything, they might do.
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@BShark I started a wrong thread contagion…
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Concerning PT…
I think the only constant is Devon. He’s going to play 35+ minutes a game.
Beyond that, it’s hard to tell. Guys will be yanked for fouls and discipline beyond what would be what is expected.
I do think the surprise player will be Silvio. In my imaginary future he gets the second most minutes behind Devon because he will show the most toughness and hustle… about a tie with Devon. I see those two being our main leaders on the floor. They will earn it with their toughness and hustle. Silvio should be a double-double machine, every single game. The rest of the team will follow their lead and we should have one heck of a season!
I think Isaiah is our biggest grab for immediate help. The guy can flat out score, and what we really have to do is put points on the board. I hope his defense will come around soon because he’s an offensive talent that would be horribly wasted sitting on the bench if he doesn’t buy in to Self’s defensive needs. He better be extremely excited because he has a great chance to be a 30+ minute player this year if he can pick up Selfball.
Tristan and Jalen should be like giving us one complete ready player this year. We can rotate them in based on who is hot and who isn’t messing up or getting in foul trouble.
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@drgnslayr One of the more interesting comments Bill made about Jalen was saying he had “incredible toughness."Here’s some pretty good write ups about him:
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BShark said:
@Marco Wrong thread methinks.
Lol, wrong thread methinks… Wow, for real, thought you said wrong-headed…Guess I need to read better. I did have a good post, though Lol and stand by it, don’t think we’ll get much of any punishment.
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Makes sense. His footage shows him fighting through contact and getting his shots up anyways. I see him as a huge asset in years to come, just not sure yet how he adjusts to D1 as a freshman. You just can’t be certain until it happens. Q had a great body and looked like he would adjust well and we see what happened.
But if you really examine the HS footage on Q and Jalen it is clear that Jalen never backed off of contact… seeming to enjoy it.
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Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
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Excellent…welcome Mr Wilson, I’ve been wanting to say that for a while now. Great job Self and Co. Let’s get to work and make the most of the deep talent we have now. Let’s make this year count. Also, let’s not get caught up in the rhetoric of preseason. Frankly, I don’t care where we are ranked, let’s take one game at a time all the way through the April nets. RCJHGOKU
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approxinfinity said:
First guess without looking at last year’s minutes:
Dot 31 (we have depth, can preserve him)
Garrett 26 (Pet. D leader. Good dude. We will beat teams bad enough to let this happen.
Ochai 25
Silvio (Doke will need rest and Wilson isn’t ready) 25
Doke 26 (unless hurt)
Moss 22
Dave 17 (unless Doke hurt)
Wilson 7
McBride 7
Mitch 7
Enanura 3
Wave The Wheat 1
Also, I agree more with your numbers in big games. Except Wilson.
Wilson should be a bit of a match up challenge in the 3–4. He has the “scoring” prowess that Self loves in that 4 role that Self willed Mario Little and Vick into over the years. We need someone that can get in the middle of those ZONES and bust them open. I think Wilson will be about right. But then, he has the range to step out around the arc. It would make sense to play small ball with him at the 4. I would then go big by putting him at the 3. We all know Self has been forced into small ball, and will go to that when needed. Actually I’d say Self has had some significant results with small ball.
Small:
Dotson/McBride - 6’ and change
Moss - 6-4
Garrett/Braun 6-5,8
Wilson 6-8
SDS/Enarauna 6-9 Feels good writing SDS in the line up.
Big:
Garrett/Dotson
Moss/Garrett
Wilson/Braun (?) Really curious to see how Braun factors.
SDS
Doke/Big Mac
Does anyone think ‘maybe’ Enarauna takes a RS? Even remotely? I hope Self isn’t RS shy, but he seems the odd possibility, at least from my standpoint.
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Dotson - 31
Ochai - 28
Moss- 22
Doke- 21
Garrett- 20
Silvio-20
JW -18
Big Dave-14
Enaruna-11
Mackey-7
Mitch- 6
I don’t know if that adds up, but everyone else had a list, and I didn’t want to be left out.
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@KUSTEVE This is ppg right? Lol
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@truehawk93 I would respectfully request that you include Agbaji in your very fine lineup projections …
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HighEliteMajor said:
@truehawk93 I would respectfully request that you include Agbaji in your very fine lineup projections …
Agbaji will start so that seems advisable!
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@KUSTEVE A few X factors for me. Wilson’s readiness. I don’t know there. McBride’s ball handling as a second option being something that could increase his time. I know we like Garrett, but Garrett doesn’t play fast with the ball and I think coach likes pace. McBride’s readiness, I think, will determine his time, because ball handling is a premium skill. And Mitch … our coach relying on the (now) old guy a bit more than we might think. That might pull minutes from the Wilson projections. I could easily see Mitch in the mix ahead of McCormack … meaning as our first big off the bench. And ahead of Wilson for four spot time. Just kind of knowing coach Self there …
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HighEliteMajor said:
@truehawk93 I would respectfully request that you include Agbaji in your very fine lineup projections …
Absolutely and unfortunately, his coming out of RS really put a challenge in the rotation. I certainly meant no insult or message at all. He certainly will factor. I would even consider RS Braun?
I would then factor OA into Garrett’s minutes. I could see Garrett in the middle of those zones. I saw a pic in one of the kusports pieces and he has spent time in the gym with Hudy. He has some bulk.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Just kind of knowing coach Self there …
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
You know the rest…
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The more I read and think, the more I think Enarauna and Braun should RS. I’m starting a campaign to RS those two.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don’t remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me…
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truehawk93 said:
The more I read and think, the more I think Enarauna and Braun should RS. I’m starting a campaign to RS those two.
Braun for sure. Enaruna wouldn’t be here 5 years so no point. Enaruna is a guy we need to develop, I think Bill sneaks him out there when possible this year. Can grow into a beast.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don’t remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me…
He’s not proven yet.
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truehawk93 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don’t remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me…
He’s not proven yet.
Howard? Sure he is.
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Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
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BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
And he was on Hampton right?
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@BShark I feel you and would tend to agree on Enarauna, but he’s not even stepped foot on the court and you have him gone in 1-2 years? Maybe, but he’s a huge challenge for your rotation right now in the front court. Geez if what your saying is a strong likelihood, we could lose our entire front court next season.
So, he develops this year? Gone after 2nd yr?
We lose Doke, SDS, and likely Big Mac…yikes. This would leave Enarauna as the lone returning front court big with a year of coming off the bench for Self.
I’m a little concerned. I would tend to present it to him. He might be willing to stay 3 yrs…1 RS and maybe 2 starting? He could jump after his junior year. I hate to say it, but Doke’s injuries will encourage players to jump regardless. We all know players should stay at least 2-3 years, but NBA is just too tempting.
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@truehawk93 Enaruna just not a 5 year guy, so there isn’t a point in RSing him. Always the chance that he transfers too, and not RSing makes that an easier option. There is a reason why we don’t see too many guys RS under Self, especially recently. I think Braun is the perfect candidate. A KS kid that bleeds crimson and blue and was also recruited over twice in the same class after signing.
I don’t think Enaruna is all that ready either. I have him around 6 minutes a game this year. I don’t think he is two and done either. He’s just not a 5 year guy. 5 year guys are rare, and typically lower level guys without much in the way of pro basketball aspirations. Redshirting simply doesn’t make sense unless you are staying all five years. There is no point in redshirting one year and playing two. Just never redshirt and keep all three years available, even if playing just a few minutes a game it’s better to have to option and get him experience when you can.
We aren’t losing Dave. He will likely be the starting 5 as a JR.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
And he was on Hampton right?
Correct.
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Dotson - 32
Agbaji - 27
Moss - 25
Garrett - 23
De Sousa - 23
Doke - 22
Dave - 17
Wilson - 16
Mitch - 10
Enaruna - 9
McBride - 8
Braun - RS
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Dotson - 32
Agbaji - 27
Moss - 25
Garrett - 23
De Sousa - 23
Doke - 22
Dave - 17
Wilson - 16
Mitch - 10
Enaruna - 9
McBride - 8
Braun - RS
Bill can now warp time and space to get over 200 minutes a game.
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BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
Whoa…I think we are confusing Howards…LOL…I’m addressing Juwan Howard at Michigan, NOT Snacks. I think you all are complimenting Snacks on his role with Wilson, and YES definitely great work.
I’m addressing Juwan Howard and the fact that his being a new player/coach gave Snacks and KU a great advantage. Hardaway at Memphis is interesting because he has been by far the most influential player/coach to have recruiting success.
Sorry, I confused the Howard discussion.
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@HighEliteMajor He used the word " toughness" to describe JW. That’s worth 10 more minutes…
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@truehawk93 Oh, yeah we were all talking about the KU AC Jerrance Howard. The subject of the KU fanbase giving him crap came up again.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 Oh, yeah we were all talking about the KU AC Jerrance Howard. The subject of the KU fanbase giving him crap came up again.
LOL…my bad
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@BShark They are per game averages… It doesn’t need to add up perfectly to 200.
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@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren’t talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
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I would definitely agree that Jayhawk Nation needs to get off Snack’s back. He’s done a great job.
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truehawk93 said:
Excellent…welcome Mr Wilson, I’ve been wanting to say that for a while now. Great job Self and Co. Let’s get to work and make the most of the deep talent we have now. Let’s make this year count. Also, let’s not get caught up in the rhetoric of preseason. Frankly, I don’t care where we are ranked, let’s take one game at a time all the way through the April nets. RCJHGOKU
People get WAY to hung up on these dam rankings - -things have a tendenacy to play their selves out. - Ya they look pretty - -nice to thump your chest about. - nice to be able to throw some shade talk smack for some BUT at the end of the day – still comes down to ONE thing -that’s being able to win the title - -the NATIONAL title. I mean seriously if you ask players/teams what’s more important to you - being ranked in the top 25 for multiple years (Saying hey we were ranked # 1-2-3 - for so many years straight - -OR being able to wear that National Championship ring - I’ll let you decide that.
People just get butt hurt if they feel like they need to be ranked higher, dam take your talent your team has and run with it- -show who you are on the floor. - - everything else will work it’self out - -do your talking on the floor - -Then at the end of the yr and were hoisting the National Championship trophy - then talk your BS - simply ask - and how many weeks in a row have you been ranked in the top 25 again? - -# 1 again - as you raise that trophy - -nuff said
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truehawk93 said:
approxinfinity said:
First guess without looking at last year’s minutes:
Dot 31 (we have depth, can preserve him)
Garrett 26 (Pet. D leader. Good dude. We will beat teams bad enough to let this happen.
Ochai 25
Silvio (Doke will need rest and Wilson isn’t ready) 25
Doke 26 (unless hurt)
Moss 22
Dave 17 (unless Doke hurt)
Wilson 7
McBride 7
Mitch 7
Enanura 3
Wave The Wheat 1
Also, I agree more with your numbers in big games. Except Wilson.
Wilson should be a bit of a match up challenge in the 3–4. He has the “scoring” prowess that Self loves in that 4 role that Self willed Mario Little and Vick into over the years. We need someone that can get in the middle of those ZONES and bust them open. I think Wilson will be about right. But then, he has the range to step out around the arc. It would make sense to play small ball with him at the 4. I would then go big by putting him at the 3. We all know Self has been forced into small ball, and will go to that when needed. Actually I’d say Self has had some significant results with small ball.
Small:
Dotson/McBride - 6’ and change
Moss - 6-4
Garrett/Braun 6-5,8
Wilson 6-8
SDS/Enarauna 6-9 Feels good writing SDS in the line up.
Big:
Garrett/Dotson
Moss/Garrett
Wilson/Braun (?) Really curious to see how Braun factors.
SDS
Doke/Big Mac
Does anyone think ‘maybe’ Enarauna takes a RS? Even remotely? I hope Self isn’t RS shy, but he seems the odd possibility, at least from my standpoint.
Nope don’t see him redshirting
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@BShark Not to get too hung up on this, but the total minutes per game for last season’s KU team was 247.8. Shit happens during the course of the season.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren’t talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
I can’t wait to see what Penny does with his talent. I am amazed at who he has lured. I predict he has more than he can handle. He won’t be able to translate. He will underachieve and Memphis will expect huge results. He will have 1-3 seasons, and he will likely be on the hot seat.
This my friends is interesting. Look at your older player/coaches and the success they’ve had as coaches. Then, look at your younger, NBA coaches lately that are coaching in college. They don’t transition well. Many of the current player/coaches that have a fair record struggle. I just don’t see Howard and Hardaway making much of a showing. Players don’t necessarily make good coaches, even if they played in the NBA.
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BShark said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Just kind of knowing coach Self there …
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
You know the rest…
Is Self “Beauty” and Mitch is “Beast”?
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When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
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@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
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approxinfinity said:
When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
Brady, Releford, Jamari, Lucas.
Jamari was forced into it due to academics.
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Starting to think about lineups…
I could be wrong here, but from what I’ve seen, this may end up being the best “handles” team we’ve had since our 2008 team! Granted… our big handle players might be green freshmen, but none the less, I’m seeing the potential for some dynamic offense that we’ve not really had since 2008.
I’m not sure how much of this applies to the upcoming year, but after that… and then it matters who sticks around after next year. I wish Devon would hang out one more year after this season but I have my doubts.
In thinking about “big lineups” and “small lineups” it is paramount to think about who has the handles, especially with the small lineup. The advantage should be to get out and run! When was the last time we had a real running team? Guys like Svi were great shooters, but he only had average handles. I’m looking at Devon and some of our new guys and then Isaiah… wow! Handles! And the foot speed to go with it!
SDS can handle rebounding for a small lineup and let’s not discount his speed!
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Self doesn’t like to redshirt freshmen.
