New 2019 Recruiting
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What site are you saying dropping him 20 spots?
I think he would have been a great College Big at KU. Really smart player with a great motor. He does a lot of things well but he’s not elite at any one thing. We certainly would have been better with him then without
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@BeddieKU23 he was ranked 18 now 38 on Rivals I believe.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 he was ranked 18 now 38 on Rivals I believe.
He’s 38 on ESPN but he’s been there for a while and they haven’t done an update. Should get a bump now that he went to a Nike school.
He’s composite 18 on 247, 18 on their own rank. Rivals has him #10
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Must’ve been ESPN that dropped him a couple months ago. Sent up red flags. A drop that big concerned me. Same as Jacobs falling off. Difference being only one service dropped him. Of course he dropped about 50 spots on my mind when he played for Self over the summer and chose to commit to the enemy.
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dylans said:
Must’ve been ESPN that dropped him a couple months ago. Sent up red flags.
ESPN has him underranked by about 20 spots. He’s a top 20 kid in a weak class. Big disappointment he’s going to ball out at another school
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@BeddieKU23 haha says you! I say he’s an over ranked pussy…or wildcat I guess.
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@BeddieKU23 would’ve liked to have him, but I guess I wasn’t too high on his game. Thanks for weighing in! I really don’t have that strong of an opinion on the matter.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 haha says you! I say he’s an over ranked pussy…or wildcat I guess.
Don’t be hater bud - -JRE is a VERY good player. Just because he chose another school doesn’t make him a bad player lol - -If he for real was over rated you wouldn’t see nearly as many of the Big time schools recruiting him - -N Carolina – KU-- -Arizona - - and many others just a little sample - - sucks we lost out but he is very good - -loved his play this summer with Self.
He came out and said he loves KU - - he said he just hated it that someone had put it out that he was 100 % -KU. - -He said one of the big reasons that hurt us was how in recent history KU has been loading up with Big men - -He really wants that chance to play the 4 -Villanova told him he could do that there.
With all the bigs at KU - he said he just felt he wouldn’t have the chance to contribute as soon as he like - -I don’t hate the kid-like I’ve always said one these kids - -KU was fine BEFORE these kids came - - KU will be fine AFTER these kids go lol - -were gonna be ok - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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That’s hilarious. Mitch Lightfoot has been getting minutes. I just haven’t been in the Least bit wowed by JREs athletisicm. It’s no reversal I didn’t want him, but would’ve accepted him with open arms if he came. He just does nothing for me, but my opinion is based on a limited sample size. So I asked for more input. Not hating, but I never loved his game either.
-sounds like some really liked him and we’re hanging their hat on his signing. I’m sorry for your loss, but I think we’ll be ok. Next years class may be way off because of the fbi crap. The worst thing that could happen is loading up on 100+ ranked players and being stuck with than all for four years.
Actually I’ll do a reversal on that one - I am hating on any player that plays for Jay. I can’t get behind him. Jay could save sister Jean from a burning building and I’d think it was for self serving reasons.
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After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that’s his prerogative.
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@Woodrow That’s just silly by him. Svi played the 4. Smh
I guess if Dedrick and Dok come back and DeSousa is declared eligible and comes back there is no way JRE would get minutes as a frosh. Doesn’t seem too likely. Oh well hopefully Hurt or Nnaji will sign and a couple guys return and we quickly forget about Lester’s kid.
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@Woodrow There ya go. He wouldn’t sniff the 3 with us. You would think him watching Dedric go crazy, and Svi last year that playing the 4 was not a big deal. Oh well…good luck to JRE trying to play the 3.
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JRE is a very good player but likely not elite. It reminds some of Travis Releford who at one time was ranked as high as #12 but ended up a lot lower. He red shirted his sophomore year and ended up being a solid player who started his last two years and was a big asset to the program; in many ways, the ideal college player. JRE played well at the Under 18 Tournament and would have been a good match to Hurt.
As I said before, once prospects get attention from college coaches they start to believe they are better than they really are. Every player in the top 5 believes he is the next Jordan or Bird or Magic, ever player in the top 20 believes he will a NBA super star and every player in the top 100 believes he will end up in the NBA…and we are still waiting for the next Jordan, maybe 1 in every draft becomes a super star and only a handful even make it to he next level.
Huge unrealistic expectations more often than not fueled by family and friends who see the prospect as their future meal ticket and thus created expectations that cannot be met. He will be a fine college player and has a decent chance of making it to the next level once he comes to terms with his strengths and weaknesses. He will be very good player for Villanova but not an OAD.
A man’s GOT to know his limitations - Inspector “Dirty” Harry Callahan.
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@KUSTEVE Basetball is heading towards a more positionless place anyway. Combo guards and point forwards are not unusual these days.
I wonder if playing the 3 is the allure or if it’s just the FBI stuff and he’s letting us off the hook gently?
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For those of you who are worried, here are Coach Self’s comments after the game…
HEAD COACH BILL SELF
Opening statement:
"I thought we were bad in the first half. I thought our starters played well and when we subbed, it was about even. I think the second half, gosh dang, our starters had the best ten minutes they’ve had all year. The 22-0 run, that was good. There were good things that happened, obviously. Quentin and Devon weren’t getting shots in the first half but they were obviously better in the second half. But I thought Lagerald, Dedric, Doke and Charlie all had pretty solid games."
Again remember KU went on a 22-0 run that extended to a 33-5 run. This team can play once it gets it rhythm together.
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@JayHawkFanToo Wrong thread maybe?
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Oops…mos posters read all threads anyway. I will also post it to the correct thread.
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dylans said:
@KUSTEVE Basetball is heading towards a more positionless place anyway. Combo guards and point forwards are not unusual these days.
I wonder if playing the 3 is the allure or if it’s just the FBI stuff and he’s letting us off the hook gently?
The FBI stuff had nothing to do with JRE’s decision. Wright promised him a lot of run on the perimeter, which we didn’t. He also just really liked the school; it’s smaller, and culturally more like what he was used to at Miege. Very good academics as well.
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Woodrow said:
After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that’s his prerogative.
Agree. Some good stuff in that podcast.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 would’ve liked to have him, but I guess I wasn’t too high on his game. Thanks for weighing in! I really don’t have that strong of an opinion on the matter.
Long term I’m not sure what his place in the NBA would be without him developing his perimeter shot. He’s not that big for NBA standards but in College he would have been just fine. Going to Nova seems like a good place to work on his shot and I think recently he’s been showing improved range.
I liked certain intangibles about him. His Effort, BBIQ, has a real knack for getting involved in plays and being around the rim at the right moment. He looked to be of high character and a team player and with all his ties to the program and being a local recruit it seemed like a good fit. I think he was capable of coming here and playing a ton as a freshman and then being a key contributor as a soph and beyond if he stayed. Oh well, I’ll wish him luck with Wright
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Woodrow said:
After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that’s his prerogative.
Could have been the smart play for JRE though. I think they realize he isn’t getting taller and its unlikely he’ll have an elite athletic attribute that makes him a top NBA pick. But with the shift in the NBA if he develops right at Nova he’s got a chance to improve his stock. Not sure Self had that vision for him in his system. We definitely got beat here in this one
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Oops…mos posters read all threads anyway. I will also post it to the correct thread.
I know I do…but didn’t want you to miss out!
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looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
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BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
Still surprised UNC wasn’t his choice. things changed quick with that one. KU definitely not in a position right now to steal recruits like this last minute
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
Still surprised UNC wasn’t his choice. things changed quick with that one. KU definitely not in a position right now to steal recruits like this last minute
Definitely not. We will find out a ton about this class before December. If Self lands Stanley and Nnaji, we are back in great class territory. If not, we are looking at a spring time dumpster dive.
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Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that much if we worked something out with Doke to stay for his senior year if we whiff on Zeke.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that much if we worked something out with Doke to stay for his senior year if we whiff on Zeke.
I’ve said this already but would take.
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UNC getting involved with Nnaji.
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BShark said:
UNC getting involved with Nnaji.
jeez. He can’t official there though
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But also sounds like we don’t have a prayer here either if he’s looking around after taking 5 visits. Must not have gotten the deal they were looking for
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@BeddieKU23 The article I read he is considering going on a un-official.
If he is going to announce around the 24th of November , I really think ya he make an un-official right now I’m not THAT Concerned.
I think if I was Zeke I would be saying if you was interested - I mean really interested- -WHY NOW - why didn’t you show that interest earlier? - -I don’t think he will land at UNC. - -Nope , after he announces his final five after he has made his final 5 visits?
I mean I know ya it’s happened before with players - -I’m just not feeling it with UNC --ROOK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 The article I read he is considering going on a un-official.
If he is going to announce around the 24th of November , I really think ya he make an un-official right now I’m not THAT Concerned.
I think if I was Zeke I would be saying if you was interested - I mean really interested- -WHY NOW - why didn’t you show that interest earlier? - -I don’t think he will land at UNC. - -Nope , after he announces his final five after he has made his final 5 visits?
I mean I know ya it’s happened before with players - -I’m just not feeling it with UNC --ROOK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We’ll see in 3 weeks or so. I don’t think the 24th has been set in stone either especially if they plan to pay their own dime to get to UNC. This seems like the first step to momentum building in that direction imo
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Updated original post.
JRE picked Nova so he’s off the board.
Removed Wiseman, Cockburn, Lawson & Achiuwa from consideration. Clear picture on those.
3 prospects remain on the board at the moment. No clear momentum with any right now
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BeddieKU23 said:
But also sounds like we don’t have a prayer here either if he’s looking around after taking 5 visits. Must not have gotten the deal they were looking for
This is the very telling part to me, if they were convinced of anywhere they wouldn’t be looking to take another visit.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Updated original post.
JRE picked Nova so he’s off the board.
Removed Wiseman, Cockburn, Lawson & Achiuwa from consideration. Clear picture on those.
3 prospects remain on the board at the moment. No clear momentum with any right now
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
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BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
Yep. And to be fair, next year should still be a pretty good team. Self will add some guys plus lots of solid returning players.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
Yep. And to be fair, next year should still be a pretty good team. Self will add some guys plus lots of solid returning players.
Oh I’m certain we’ll have a quality team. I’m just prepared to whiff on every recruit until the spring time when KU is out of the news cycle
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No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat…he always does.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat…he always does.
We’ll see this is a different landscape he’s having to navigate. Good thing recruits have short memories. We need other schools to be in the cross-hairs by springtime
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BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat…he always does.
We’ll see this is a different landscape he’s having to navigate. Good thing recruits have short memories. We need other schools to be in the cross-hairs by springtime
Short memories or they just don’t care once they see the coach will still be there. That seems to have been big for Arizona and Louisville.
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Just finished reading about Zeke and meeting with North Carolina. Zeke’s dad said North Carolina came up an I told them , we are not going to change out timeline. NC said No we don’t want you to change - - - So Zeke said If you want to make a compelling pitch - – you have the floor
NC pitch was - - - - Their pitch was they liked Zeke’s skill set , said they thought Zeke was in the mold of Maye only more athletic , they look and want him to stretch the floor - -They see him and Bacot and him co-existing
NC said that it is one of the best programs in the Nation - -if not THE BEST , That they have 3 Championships - -Have a really good strength and Conditioning Coach.
Then here is the part for me that I find–how do I even put it - -anyways Zeke’s dad said that ( that Zeke will make a verbal around Thanksgiving and then sign a LOI in the Spring ) - – -Hmmmm. My question to that is- -WHY - - -I think I know why , I have my own thoughts on that But why do you think? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY?
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@jayballer73 Well their initial planned announcement date of Nov 24th is after this early signing period. So they could not sign an NLI if they wait that long to announce.
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@BShark Well the early ends on the 24th - but ya he might wait till then or could be a couple of days earlier - actually he stated in another interview - it would be AROUND the 24th - -so could be earlier.
Actually what I think is - - he is one of these types that wanna see in the end run who is gonna leave - -wait and see if any OTHER schools offer him - what he think might be even a better offer - he wouldn’t be bound - he could back out of his verbal. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Ends on the 21st
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 Ends on the 21st
ok my bad could of swore but can’t argue with that - -still that Is what I feel might be another reason why just verbal - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Leverage, especially if KU or Arizona is the school he wants to to go. They can back out if something happens to the schools/coaches
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This quote from Wichita State SR Samaje Haynes Jones sums up JUCO ball…
““well we only had 1 or 2 set plays at Hutch and outside of that everybody just kind of did what they did””
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Self was in to see Zeke today.
