2020 Recruiting
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jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@rockchalkwyo Yeah seems done.
Asked my guy who works around NC schools and knows people who know Todd and he’s thought KU for a long time.
Not trying to doubt your friends who know the Todd’s BUT sure looks like to me he is headed to Michigan.
Since he named his two finalists - - Michigan has gotten 4 CB picks today - -seems like somebody must know something , and others following suit. - -Something leak? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With respect to the pickers, I don’t trust their opinions much. I think a lot of guys won’t even put them in as long as overseas looks like the eventual landing spot.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@rockchalkwyo Yeah seems done.
Asked my guy who works around NC schools and knows people who know Todd and he’s thought KU for a long time.
Not trying to doubt your friends who know the Todd’s BUT sure looks like to me he is headed to Michigan.
Since he named his two finalists - - Michigan has gotten 4 CB picks today - -seems like somebody must know something , and others following suit. - -Something leak? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With respect to the pickers, I don’t trust their opinions much. I think a lot of guys won’t even put them in as long as overseas looks like the eventual landing spot.
Were is this overseas talk is coming from
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@rockchalkwyo Yeah seems done.
Asked my guy who works around NC schools and knows people who know Todd and he’s thought KU for a long time.
Not trying to doubt your friends who know the Todd’s BUT sure looks like to me he is headed to Michigan.
Since he named his two finalists - - Michigan has gotten 4 CB picks today - -seems like somebody must know something , and others following suit. - -Something leak? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With respect to the pickers, I don’t trust their opinions much. I think a lot of guys won’t even put them in as long as overseas looks like the eventual landing spot.
Understandable bud , even if we were to get him for a year - would be a sweet addition for us, me myself, I just don’t feel very confident about him landing here - -over sea’s or not
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Does anyone know if Bryce Thompson came down this weekend or not, I didn’t see him at late night on Friday
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alwaysajayhawk said:
Does anyone know if Bryce Thompson came down this weekend or not, I didn’t see him at late night on Friday
He did. Arrived on the 5th.
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JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@rockchalkwyo Yeah seems done.
Asked my guy who works around NC schools and knows people who know Todd and he’s thought KU for a long time.
Not trying to doubt your friends who know the Todd’s BUT sure looks like to me he is headed to Michigan.
Since he named his two finalists - - Michigan has gotten 4 CB picks today - -seems like somebody must know something , and others following suit. - -Something leak? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With respect to the pickers, I don’t trust their opinions much. I think a lot of guys won’t even put them in as long as overseas looks like the eventual landing spot.
Were is this overseas talk is coming from
Quite a few folks have asked him about it and he’s never denied he’s interested or it’s a legit option.
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Announcing for Michigan but even after that I wouldn’t rule out overseas.
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Any chance at Davion Bradford? Announcing Friday apparently after visiting over the weekend…
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BeddieKU23 said:
Any chance at Davion Bradford? Announcing Friday apparently after visiting over the weekend…
KSU. Like farmer said the staff prefers Gethro.
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https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2020/marial-mading-256811
https://n.rivals.com/news/junior-college-four-star-marial-mading-gaining-admirers
I apologize if this was already shared.
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He looks awesome
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@rockchalkwyo @BeddieKU23 Oregon getting involved with Mading fwiw.
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Couple of recruit follow ups and what they have been saying:
Javonte Brown Ferguson on his visit to KU : — The KU visit went great , They ( KU ) want me . - -They need two big’s - - - They said IF Gethro Muscadin & Isaiah Todd sign then it wouldn’t be the best thing for me to come. – 70/30 % chance he will be re-classifying and make his Decision after the New Year.
KK Robinson was asked about his visit : - - -Said he loved it. – -The Atmosphere in Allen Fieldhouse was crazy. - - Being able to see Snoop Dogg also was a great experience. - - They ( KU ) said that they weren’t recruiting me to sit the Bench. They are recruiting me to make plays and to be one of the go to guys down the line - - - - Of Course I have to earn it - - - Nothing is given. ( - -Love that reasoning from him ) - - Then he says " I Think I’ll fit great in their system - - sounds encouraging – Coach Self has always done great with little Guards - - -I like our chances with him I believe - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Not a surpise. They swing the big Nike check
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thx hopefully can close on KK
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BeddieKU23 said:
thx hopefully can close on KK
ya, hope they can to. - -from his comments , sure very easily could mean nothing/have no substance BUT when he said " I think I’ll fit great into their system ? - - things that make ME go hmmmm – anyways - -probably me just being silly/wishful thinking. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
thx hopefully can close on KK
One to pay attention to at least.
If the staff can close on KK and Gethro in the fall in spite of everything I’ll be very impressed with the recruiting efforts.
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Definitely got the wishful thinking meter up a few notches hearing the fit comment. Those tend to be important details to read in between the lines from. We’ll see, he still has visits left.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Definitely got the wishful thinking meter up a few notches hearing the fit comment. Those tend to be important details to read in between the lines from. We’ll see, he still has visits left.
Ya , KK - -is visiting Illinois , this weekend - -then he visits Arkansas Oct 18th-20th , still considering Iowa State - - Vanderbilt - - & Virginia Tech
Personally myself I think I would be more afraid of Arkansas then anyone else , and that’s more then anything just because of them being a home School - -possibly with Iowa State following them up - -I feel good really right now - -but watch Arkansas I think this very well could come down to us and them. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Agree I think Arkansas is the team to fear here with Mussleman taking over and running a NBA style offense.
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Not 2020 but the visit went very well for Kendall Brown. Sounds like he is going to visit again for the UW Milwaukee game.
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BShark said:
Not 2020 but the visit went very well for Kendall Brown. Sounds like he is going to visit again for the UW Milwaukee game.
Ya , I had heard /read that he loved his visit - - 2021 right? - -think I saw we were at 100% - -with him BUT only 1 CB prediction lol. - - - seriously would be a nice start with him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Not 2020 but the visit went very well for Kendall Brown. Sounds like he is going to visit again for the UW Milwaukee game.
Ya , I had heard /read that he loved his visit - - 2021 right? - -think I saw we were at 100% - -with him BUT only 1 CB prediction lol. - - - seriously would be a nice start with him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
That right we are at 100%with him
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Did anyone hear how Gethro’s visit to Texas Tech went?
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@rockchalkwyo probably fine but I’m not worried about TT.
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@BShark Ok great thanks
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Bill self is going to see gethro’s on Thursday
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Our friend Corey changed his pick from TTU to KU today fwiw.
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BShark said:
Our friend Corey changed his pick from TTU to KU today fwiw.
For Gethro ?
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@jayballer73 Yes
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JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
Bill self is going to see gethro’s on Thursday
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Juco 4 star Prospect Tyon Grant-Foster is visiting KU this weekend.
Eric Bossi had this to say recently about him:
I know that Scrubb has been given the title of best prospect in the Junior College ranks, but do-it-all wing Tyon Grant-Foster of Ottumwa (Iowa) Indiana Hills has to be in the conversation as well. A native of Kansas City, Kans., Grant-Foster is extremely versatile, athletic and still developing physically. There’s a good reason that he’s now racked up offers from Georgia, Kansas, Iowa State, LSU, Miami, Oklahoma State, Oregon, SMU, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech and others.
Bossi also says the Juco ranks this season is the deepest he’s seen in a while.
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@BeddieKU23 I can’t tell you how excited I am at the prospect of snagging JUCO players. I am now experiencing much the same giddiness that a UTSA or Southern Illinois fan must feel upon hearing such news.
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Sometimes you find good ones but I get the sarcasm built in your comment.
Recruiting Juco’s and developmental type players is the result of recruiting the Billy Preston’s of the world. KU’s rep on the recruiting circuit has hit a big speed bump for now
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@BeddieKU23 I would suggest, perhaps, that this new necessity is of Bill Self’s creation, as this entire scandal and issue sits at his doorstep, in my opinion.
I keep going back to his words last fall -
“As the leader of the Kansas men’s basketball program, I take pride in my role to operate with integrity and within the NCAA rules, which is a fundamental responsibility of being the head basketball coach.”
We would not be in this spot if Self followed his stated expectations.
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We wouldn’t have a functional basketball team without playing the shoe game so there is that too.
As far as JUCOs go in general I’d take this kid and Mading for sure. Wrap up Gethro and KK Robinson and I think that is about as good a class as we can hope for.
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Who was the last JC kid that made a impact on college basketball? At KU Mario Little was a good player, but there are just not many at all that go on too become even decent players.
I understand the situation that KU is in, but even with that this is pretty concerning to me.
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Woodrow said:
Who was the last JC kid that made a impact on college basketball? At KU Mario Little was a good player, but there are just not many at all that go on too become even decent players.
I understand the situation that KU is in, but even with that this is pretty concerning to me.
Shakur Juiston, Pierre Jackson, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler.
These are outliers but it can be done. I think it’s more likely we get cogs out of JUCO, not stars.
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@BShark Those are some good examples.
Does anyone know if you can look up where these two kids were ranked coming out of HS? Just wondering if they were even legit prospects before JC…
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BShark said:
We wouldn’t have a functional basketball team without playing the shoe game so there is that too.
As far as JUCOs go in general I’d take this kid and Mading for sure. Wrap up Gethro and KK Robinson and I think that is about as good a class as we can hope for.
I go back to my prior point - If we seem to know that shoe companies pay kids (the shoeco game), that it’s such common knowledge, then Bill Self knows. Bill Self has clearly and distinctly denied any such knowledge. That would make Bill Self a liar of a quite high degree. Add to it the “integrity” comment by Self and then the “honesty and integrity” comment by Long. It is just reprehensible.
And, as we stand here, we’re talking about JUCO kids at KU. Tyrone Appleton is my hero, though, so maybe it’s not all bad.
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Mading was #393 coming out of HS, signed with Rhode Island, left shortly after.
Foster was unranked in the 2018 class.
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@Woodrow I know Mading was. The other kid I think was unranked but there are other factors there such as the services quit evaluating kids once it is known they won’t qualify. I need to see what I can find out about him. I know Oregon, LSU, ISU and TAMU all offered as well combined with what I’ve seen there is something there to his game. Biggest issue is his jumper.
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Who was the hutch Juco kid, long time ago, Ben ?
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Juco’s definitely have a low success rate. Foster has a lot of High Major attention so its not just KU that wants him. It is unusual for KU to have to go this route but we all know why that’s happening this recruiting cycle. Foster is intriguing with his size and skills. From a numbers perspective KU will need them and really can’t pick and choose to the standard they were accustomed to
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BShark said:
We wouldn’t have a functional basketball team without playing the shoe game so there is that too.
As far as JUCOs go in general I’d take this kid and Mading for sure. Wrap up Gethro and KK Robinson and I think that is about as good a class as we can hope for.
as for me - - like you say because of the way things are - - -I would really like to be able to land Mading - think he pretty solid - -Now I don’t want to over due or anything but to think Juco’s is a plague - -is just crazy - - lots of really good Juco’s and can really help during certain times. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
We wouldn’t have a functional basketball team without playing the shoe game so there is that too.
As far as JUCOs go in general I’d take this kid and Mading for sure. Wrap up Gethro and KK Robinson and I think that is about as good a class as we can hope for.
as for me - - like you say because of the way things are - - -I would really like to be able to land Mading - think he pretty solid - -Now I don’t want to over due or anything but to think Juco’s is a plague - -is just crazy - - lots of really good Juco’s and can really help during certain times. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Give me some examples of JUCO guys that make solid contributions for blue blood programs or typical top 10 teams … I just don’t see it. You don’t have to. I get your point that casting all JUCO guys as low tier isn’t reality.
However, I’m just bitter right now with where we are at. As @BeddieKU23 said, we needing to fill roster spots.
We’ve struggled recruiting anyway. We’ve continued to play second fiddle for a number of seasons – supposedly when we, er, Adidas, was paying guys.
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@Crimsonorblue22 it was Ben Davis
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HighEliteMajor said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
We wouldn’t have a functional basketball team without playing the shoe game so there is that too.
As far as JUCOs go in general I’d take this kid and Mading for sure. Wrap up Gethro and KK Robinson and I think that is about as good a class as we can hope for.
as for me - - like you say because of the way things are - - -I would really like to be able to land Mading - think he pretty solid - -Now I don’t want to over due or anything but to think Juco’s is a plague - -is just crazy - - lots of really good Juco’s and can really help during certain times. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Give me some examples of JUCO guys that make solid contributions for blue blood programs or typical top 10 teams … I just don’t see it. You don’t have to. I get your point that casting all JUCO guys as low tier isn’t reality.
However, I’m just bitter right now with where we are at. As @BeddieKU23 said, we needing to fill roster spots.
We’ve struggled recruiting anyway. We’ve continued to play second fiddle for a number of seasons – supposedly when we, er, Adidas, was paying guys.
I’m not sharp enough to remember Juco Names from times past - - yet I do know that there have been some pretty solid players from Juco - -could be wrong but wasn’t Larry Johnson a juco that played for UNLV ? - - seems to me he was a pretty dam solid Juco - -doesn’t have to just be Blue Bloods.
Do I prefer Juco ? - -hell no I don’t, - I agree with you to a point that I do am umm disappointed with where were at - - wouldn’t say bitter - -pretty much just saying seeing as where were at - -were at then myself if there is a Juco that can help the program and I fully believe the ones being discussed here CAN help the program - -then I’m not going to turn my back just because they are Juco. - -As a Coach I’m going to take the talent that I have available that can help in our current situation.
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Juco recruits at Blue Bloods or perennial Top 10 teams is almost non-existent so there’s very little data to even discuss such occurrences. If you expand the discussion to Power 5, you’ll get at least a handful every year that make contributions or become key players in the right situations.
If your not in trouble (like KU is currently) they could recruit at a level we expect from this staff. I understand the optics of this- the “sky is falling” because we’re getting slapped around by the FBI/NCAA right now that we have to look at Juco’s just to potentially fill spots.
Personally I didn’t think we’d get anyone on campus after the NOA came, much less have a chance to sign 1-3 guys in the fall (regardless of their rank, talent). I have to give the staff credit if they close on some guys this fall despite the issues facing them.
If the evaluators are right about this years JUCO kids there may be a few outliers in the bunch. Louisville just got a commitment from arguably the top JUCO guard in the Country instead of going all in on Some Top 100 HS kids they were definitely in contention for.
