Random thoughts
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Bruce was a terrible recruiter at U of I too. His brother coached Jon Scheyer in HS in the Chicago area too, and Scheyer wouldn’t go to play for Bruce.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I agree–you should abuse purple before every game, even if it is not KSU we are playing. It is just fun by itself, like abusing Fizzou.
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Not a Bruce fan here, but the results he gets are exactly what I want out of Beaty.
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Two big reasons our D looked so good last night - the Liberacettes are dead last in rebounding in B12 - when we are 10+ rebounds like last night we get to transition and speed things up.
And that zone totally threw them off. I’ve watched in pain as we’ve reacted that bad to a zone, a real pleasure to be on the giving end. Specially to our purple neighbors.
Couple other thoughts…
Self is great in so many ways, adding this newfound flexibility to his tried and true ways to his arsenal is just deadly.
Much like I was with Lucas last year, going from wincing when he played to cheering, I’m that way with New-man now.
Watching Mitch just makes me smile.
If we keep up this steady improvement, we are going be dancing later than we have in years.
Onwards and upwards!
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wissox said:
Bruce was a terrible recruiter at U of I too. His brother coached Jon Scheyer in HS in the Chicago area too, and Scheyer wouldn’t go to play for Bruce.
Wouldn’t pay Eric Gordon either.
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@BShark Ha…Weber planned to foul Doke…but Kruger actually did. Kruger>Squeaky.
Credit Doke for improving his FT form.
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Well, Kruger being a much better coach than Bruce was never in doubt.
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Entertainment? I just got on SBnation game thread for KSU: just hilarious reading, especially early when KU was 6of7 from 3. Beware, they call us Squawk over there, but we get the last laugh in the DEVONTAGON-O-GLOOM!!!
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Weird KSU didnt dribble-drive more, like they did in AFH.
Self > Weber-downdraft-carbaSqueeky.
Our surprise zoneD busted their offense.
Liberace’s players not highly recruited because they arent highly skilled at shooting. (Exception is the excellent DWade, good Kansas kid, like P.Ellis & R.Baker…and that frosh guard Diarra), everyone else a buncha yucksters. I sometimes feel sorry for DWade stuck on that team, I like his game.
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Ralster said:
Entertainment? I just got on SBnation game thread for KSU: just hilarious reading, especially early when KU was 6of7 from 3. Beware, they call us Squawk over there, but we get the last laugh in the DEVONTAGON-O-GLOOM!!!
Sounds fun.
I went to read the takes of a couple of the reasonable KSU fans. They mostly seem baffled that KSU continually helped OFF of Svi. Real sticking point for them lol.
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@BShark That is good recruiting info. It tells me that he is good at identifying under-recruited players…I think most teams would take Brown, Wade, and Diarra…don’t you? He is also a pretty good coach for getting what he does out of the players he gets. But they always have a couple of down periods during the season which “dooms” them…pun intended.
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I think our defense…especially the zone that Weber couldn’t figure out did contribute to holding them to 57. I also think we saw them want to beat us so bad…they either played tight or were too jazzed up…we’ve seen it in Manhattan, and IMO at times in Ames. I also think we see the opposite effect in AFH…teams aren’t expected to win so they play free and easy…and sometimes give us a really good game, and at times…beat us.
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark That is good recruiting info. It tells me that he is good at identifying under-recruited players…I think most teams would take Brown, Wade, and Diarra…don’t you? He is also a pretty good coach for getting what he does out of the players he gets. But they always have a couple of down periods during the season which “dooms” them…pun intended.
Well, Wade had a ton of offers I just didn’t list them. I’m not sure how much of it is identifying players vs just taking so many guys, some work out.
For every Marcus Foster, Barry Brown and Diarra you have the following: Isaiah Maurice, Brandon Bolden, Ron Freeman, Jack Karapetyan, Jevon Thomas, Tre Harris, Nigel Johnson etc…
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NEVER FORGET JACK KRAP.
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EXCUSE ALERT - Let’s be aware. Let’s not get sucked in. But if we fail in March, it will be because they are “tired.” BULL.
During the game, yes. If a kid plays more than his conditioning permits, sure, his performance can certainly suffer during that game. But that is game to game.
The idea that it could accrue over the season and thus affect us in March (straw man argument a bit here, because we aren’t there yet, and no one has made that excuse, I understand), is BULL. Two games a week. Two. That’s all. When you were 20ish, what could you do during a week, or say over a three day period with a full day of rest in between?
Again, this is different than if, for example, DG is tired during a game because he has not had adequate rest during that game. Different discussions.
The EXCUSE ALERT has been sounded. It’s coming …
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45% is about average. For the season, 165 teams in D1 shoot at or above 45%. the rest (186 teams) shoot below that mark.
That said, KU shoots almost 50% from the field, so 45% is down for us.
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BShark said:
45% is pretty average for college hoops. Loads of teams in that range. Of course, under our typical % for the year.
Agree about Mitch, I hope he is good to go going forward.
We shot so poorly in the 2nd half that our overall game % was below average for us was my point. My friend I was watching with kept saying the rims were at fault. Could be, not sure, but something sure changed from the 1st half to the 2nd.
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Going 8 minutes (final 3 1st half, first 5 2nd half) certainly had an effect on our FG% last night. That right side rim just looked different and tight. Svi had a couple bounce half way down and back out, otherwise might have had close to 30. Good thing K-St couldn’t hit an barn last night on either side
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@HighEliteMajor I have never coached basketball, but I have done lots of scientific research in my time, so I decided to check out the topic of fatigue injuries as correlated with too many minutes during a game and too many minutes over the course of a season. The results? They are all over the map. There is more information about the NBA than there is about the NCAA. I realize that NBA players are older and play many more games, so I tried to concentrate on NCAA. I would say (from a quick scan of scientific and medical articles), that your conclusions about fatigue during a game and fatigue over the course of a season are supported more often than not. However, based on quick research, I believe that I am correct that giving players a bit of rest during the course of a game–especially when the lead is in double digits–would pay dividends late in games. If it helps during the course of a season, this would be gravy.
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@HighEliteMajor This is hilariously wrong.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Now, I’ve exuded wrongness many times, but perhaps not always “hilariously.” As such, in reaching your conclusion, I hope that you have considered NBA schedules. I went to NBA teams and looked at the Boston Celtics. Please consider -
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NBA teams play 82 regular season games.
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Those 82 games are over 6 months. That’s 13.66 games per month.
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That works out to be appx. 3.2 games per week.
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NBA games are 48 minutes long, not 40 like NCAA games.
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Here is Boston’s schedule, for a random two week period November 1 Home; November 3 @ OKC; November 5 @ Orlando; NOvember 6 @ Atlanta; NOvember 8 Home; November 10 Home; November 12 Home; November 14 @ Brooklyn.
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Kyrie Irving leads Boston in minutes at 33 minutes per game. At 3.2 games per week, that’s 105.6 minutes a week. Five Boston players average more than 90 minutes per week, and the 6th 74.1 minutes per week. Compare to DG at a max of 80 minutes per week, but really averages 36.6 per game, or just over 73 per week.
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NBA players are older. And while they can be in great shape of course, they battle age more than a college kid.
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NBA players have a six month season, college kids a max of five months even in full tourney mode. But NBA players could have two full months of playoffs, playing games at the rate of three per week.
So, with that, I’m not totally sure my wrongness is hilarious. But it might be. And, course, I could still be wrong. Just my opinion.
@lincase I think you’re exactly right. Thanks for pounding out some research. And I support your opinion that giving players rest during a game, will likely help them during that game, and late in that game.
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@HighEliteMajor I am not sure about cumulative fatigue, but I do think there is more of a chance for pulled muscles or cramping when there are constant games without rest. But that is more addressed by between-game conditioning and stretching regimens. If the players keep disciplined, they should be ok. I know what it is like, though, to think you can take that one little session off, and then, just like the nursery rhyme, pop! goes the gastrochnemius!
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I worked through college as a laborer and bricklayer. Many days in the summer I’d work 8-10 hours busting tail, go home, have a bite and then head to the park to play ball for a couple of hours. I know that’s not quite the same intensity, but the energy was there, no doubt, so I don’t buy the fatigue excuse either.
Wilt averaged 48.5 minutes per game one season. That’s not a typo.
My daughter in high school played JV and Varsity soccer at the same time. She’d play the entire 80 minutes of a match, take a breather and then play 60 more minutes in the JV match. Soccer involves a lot of running. But she’s young and energetic.
I realize it’s not ideal for our guys to play all 40 minutes but it’s not as big of a deal as some make it out to be.
I bet if you asked DG, Svi or Malik if they minded playing 40 minutes they’d have said, 'Naaah".
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What may be hidden from us sometimes is a nagging tweak or soreness, that 2 games/wk just causes it to pester longer. Sherron’s groin strain in Feb of his sr yr, still affected his explosiveness in March vs UNI, obviously, but we learned that from SelfNewsService only after that seaaon. Then there’s the curious case of one Elijah Johnson, who had healed his knee injury, but it bothered his mental aggressiveness long after. Which fueled fan speculation that he had “shot” knees. Nope, more of a mental snag, like DRose in Chicago.
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I generally agree with you. In our younger days, before video games, we spent our off days and vacations playing sports all day long.
NBA players are pros and their full time concern is physical conditioning where college athletes are only doing it part-time.
The NBA does rest players for games at the time towards the end of the season and in preparation for the playoffs.
More importantly, now that Preston (and car) is gone, players have to hoof it all the way from their dorm to Wescoe Beach, going uphill both ways.
