Darryn Peterson
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My concern is whether someone on the KU staff knew or should have known about Darryn's creatine use. I wonder what amount Darryn is referring to when he says he took high doses of creatine during boot camp. The internet advises that some athletes go into a loading phase where they take 20-25 grams per day, usually broken up into 4-5 smaller doses to replenish fatigued muscles and that cramping is a known complication. Creatine is available over-the-counter at all parmacies, so anyone can take it in any amounts. But, I don't see anything like the whole body paralysis that Darryn described to Sports Illustrated and ESPN as a possible condition. According to an ESPN reporter, Darryn claims he suffered whole body cramping during boot camp that was so severe he was taken to Lawrence Memorial Hospital by ambulance. I understand and appreciate patient privacy, but how in the hell didn't a KU player leaving boot camp by ambulance for the hospital leak out to fans? Coach Self, what the hell is going on at your boot camps that a player suffers a condition that requires emergency treatment and is taken straight to the hospital? Oh yeah, and why is this just now coming up? Surely the KU basketball program has internal safeguards and reviews focused on player safety. Lastly, could Darryn's claim of full body paralysis/emergency hospital treatment just be made now to help his NBA draft position? Good grief, I thought I was done with Mr. Peterson until the SI article came out this week. Now I have concerns about the safety of players in KU's program.
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I certainly hope DP’s story is true, and his cramping issues are behind him.
It’s just so hard to buy into any of this given the mystery and timing.
How a millionaire can have such a bad team behind him is a mystery.
Best of luck.
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Also, if he wasn’t using creatine in HS, given the success he had there why start in college? Especially with doses high enough to lead to full body cramps. He already had all of the athletic edge he needed. Athleticism and recovery were not his limiting factors. And presumable any trainer would test pre-existing/natural creatine levels before dosing.
Or, for those of us who are suspicious, what was so bad that to hide it they had to invent a story that makes everyone involved look like a complete moron?
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@HoraceZontal But, he was just 18 during bootcamp and then turned 19 in January. I certainly can see several 18 yr old college students sitting around McCarthy complaining about tiredness after a day of boot camp and then being young Einsteins coming up with the creatine solution. But, I still don't see any medical literature online that mentions full body muscle paralysis from high doses of creatine. I sure wish a journalist would ask Coach Self to comment on the claim that one of his players was taken by ambulance to the hospital during the 2025 boot camp. No names need to be mentioned, just whether that happened and more importantly what the staff is doing to promote player safety, including revisions to the boot camp routine.
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@mayjay I have no qualms with your comments and am glad that the discovery of the reason for your wife’s symptoms was determined. Providers typically will tell patients what the most common side effects are, but don’t have the time to tell patients every possible symptom that may occur. I always advise my patients that if they have a new symptom after starting a new medicine to let me know and if it is a weekend to stop the medicine, but call us the next day the clinic is open to discuss it. Sometimes the side effect symptoms are temporary, but if too severe, then they should stop the medicine. Also, just because a symptom is not listed does not mean that it cannot be a side effect. Other medicines that a person already takes may interact with the metabolism of the new medicine making higher concentrations stay in the bloodstream. If I know a patient is sensitive to medicines in general, I typically start out with a lower dosage if possible and gradually increase as tolerated.
Dr Google and Reddit in the right hands can properly inform and confirm about similar experiences that other people have had. It largely depends upon whether a medicine is preventing a major adverse outcome or life-threatening condition versus an annoying or quality of life symptom.In Darren’s case, I would have told him to stop every new change that he has made to see if the culprit could be eliminated. I caution pt’s that creatine can be harmful depending upon your hydration status.
One thing I would point out that I find too commonly, is that patients don’t see vitamins or supplements as medicines. They don’t tell their provider about these things they use, which may affect the absorption or metabolism of prescribed medications. For me, a medicine is anything that is swallowed, inhaled, snorted, applied topically, injected, or inserted rectally to have an effect on the body. Yes, that includes food and liquid. Quite a few diseases could be prevented or cured if we would just stop poisoning ourselves with our dietary intake.
I agree with @kjayhawks2.0 that medicine is used too frequently because it is easier than changing your diet, exercise, or lifestyle, but changing those things and maintaining the change invariably will beat prescription medicine hands-down.
Have a great day!
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@kjayhawks2.0 meh. A great ENT doc saved my life earlier this week. Otherwise ole FJ would’ve not been back on this site due to a ruptured blood vessel in my face.
Plus, elites come here in droves to treat cancer, heart conditions, and other things. Concierge care here is second to none.
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@FarmerJayhawk scary, glad you got a great one!
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@approxinfinity thanks! Yeah he acted quickly once he figured out the issue and got me put back together. I’m definitely on the mend now!
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@FarmerJayhawk I'm glad you're ok!
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@nuleafjhawk thank you! Shoutout LMH Health
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Thankful!
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@FarmerJayhawk I don't live in Lawrence, but I did have the "opportunity" to visit LMH one Thanksgiving day many moons ago when a chunk of turkey got stuck in my too narrow esophagus. They were very impressive and I was thankful that they could resolve my problem.
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@FarmerJayhawk glad your doing better never been to LMH health before. I have never had an even remotely positive visit to any doctor in my life. My wife has had 3 knee surgeries in the past 16 months. They still cant figure it out after paying 10s of thousands of dollars to them. They’ll still hop in their BMWs and Benz’s drive to their multi million dollar estates like nothing happened. I come from an automotive/construction back ground. If some puts a new roof on your house and it still leaks, they are redoing it for free or going to court. Medical field should be similar IMO, screw it up repeatedly. It should be on your dime not mine. If other businesses were that way, they be closed after 6 months. Just my two cents on the matter I’ll add in my buddies in the military get ever procedure they can done outside of this country.
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@kjayhawks2.0 I don’t disagree with you. I am sorry that you have had such negative experiences in your lifetime. If we had universal healthcare like any other 1st world country, then you would not be spending thousands of dollars on surgeries that have not gone right. You would see more providers that go into medicine for the right reasons as the specialists would not be paid as well as they currently are. There are more issues at play in biological machines that have free will to make decisions than inanimate structures. Even then, in individuals that have done all the right things, outcomes may still be poor based upon factors outside of a patient’s control. Unless a provider is a sociopath, it bothers them when there are poor outcomes.
I am glad that @farmerjayhawk had a positive experience receiving necessary care in a timely manner with a positive outcome. That is the best scenario for all involved and when healthcare works as intended.
I often wonder if healthcare is getting worse because my idealism is transforming to realism or whether I am becoming grouchier in my old age or whether healthcare is circling the toilet declining like much of our way of life.
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@kjayhawks2.0 you’re free to take them to court with a malpractice suit. And that’s really unfortunate, I know some people have tough experiences with the medical system. I’ve almost always had really good experiences with the system, from my childhood doc at the tiny clinic where I grew up to KU student health to LMH. Shoot I even had a great surgeon in Salina when I had to have a major back operation for the injury that ended my football career. So maybe I’m just lucky, idk. Well if my choice was the VA or something else I’d also be very tempted to go elsewhere lol. The private system is much better
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@patoh3 said in Darryn Peterson:
One thing I would point out that I find too commonly, is that patients don’t see vitamins or supplements as medicines.
John Oliver's show last week highlighted the dangers of "gas station drugs"--all those "supplements" available in rack after rack promising more energy, better moods, pain-free joints, etc. Some have substances that have the same addictiveness, or more, than opioids (one woman spent a total upwards of 6 figures over several years before getting rehab). And no regulation because those substances have never been named on any federal drug schedules and the states are virtually powerless to address them. Many people assume they must be healthy or they couldn't be sold OTC, and they don't even tell their doctors about them.
Another issue is the packaging: Companies can just buy empty packing material and label, and put anything in that they want. Even dirt. Really scary,
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@kjayhawks2.0 Their goal is to keep making money, not healing people.
