Devon Dotson Commitment Quotes + Hype Thread
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After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
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@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It’s ok though you sure don’t hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn’t look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.
I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.
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I did not check all of them but I believe they were all ranked higher than Grimes. Also, Oubre did not start until several games into the season and maybe Selden as well?
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It’s ok though you sure don’t hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn’t look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation… .
With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone’s fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was “Duke’s guy” even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don’t think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU’s gain. Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.
I’m certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn’t want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I did not check all of them but I believe they were all ranked higher than Grimes. Also, Oubre did not start until several games into the season and maybe Selden as well?
Yeah Grimes is in that 10-20 range overall which I think is exactly where he belongs. The recent NBA comp to Gary Harris from Michigan St I believe is a very good one. We could even say Grimes compares to Selden but with a better perimeter shot.
Yeah Oubre took a few games, I forgot. Same with Embiid. Even if Dotson doesn’t start game 1 I do think he’ll take the position as other elite level freshman have done. In my opinion I’d be very surprised if Charlie Moore beat out Dotson
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Moore proved he can play Division I b-ball and that was as a freshman. With one year of practice under Coach Self and scrimmaging against Devonte and Malik will give him a huge advantage. It would not surprise me if he starts at the beginning of the season until Dotson get his feet wet and takes over.
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@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn’t a true NC kid. I don’t know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.
Definitely I don’t think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.
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BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.
I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.
Locking in on McCormack and not chasing the athletic dragon was a great decision imo.
So much of recruiting is identifying who the staff thinks they can land. Looks genius when it works and it all makes sense now how the staff dropped off with Carey and Ayo when Dotson did seem extremely solid w/ KU. We heard how it was “commit watch” with Dotson awhile back. Could be he just wanted to be thorough or take more visits.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It’s ok though you sure don’t hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn’t look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation… .
With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone’s fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was “Duke’s guy” even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don’t think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU’s gain. Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.
I’m certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn’t want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.
Kids wanna play. KU did a great job making Dotson “the guy”. If Duke would have prioritized him who knows, but they basically had to take Tre Jones, which took that off the table.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Moore proved he can play Division I b-ball and that was as a freshman. With one year of practice under Coach Self and scrimmaging against Devonte and Malik will give him a huge advantage. It would not surprise me if he starts at the beginning of the season until Dotson get his feet wet and takes over.
He did prove he could play D-1 ball as a freshman. Charlie had a typical freshman year, flashed some in big games and struggled with turnovers, shooting %, efficiency etc while playing for a middle of the pack Pac-12 team. He’ll have an advantage being in the program for a year. His first impression in Italy was okay. I see a clear talent advantage for Dotson but I do think there will be a spirited competition for the spot which from a coaching stance is probably the best thing a highly touted freshman can have coming in. Charlie will push him and I think we’ll see them on the floor at the same time regardless of who else is signed at guard.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn’t a true NC kid. I don’t know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.
Definitely I don’t think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.
Good point, he was a Chicago native until HS I believe? Probably helped him from being a Duke/UNC target growing up through the NC system.
Agree about Quickley, don’t see him as a multi-year player. I don’t see him as the same type of PG as Fox, Wall, Rose but obviously going to Kentucky he’s part of the machine for 8 months and he’s gotta go. Wouldn’t have minded him in a KU uniform either, sounds like we definitely gave him something to consider as his recruitment winded down…
Agree this class has excellent College potential. I kind of like to see classes where you get a ton of depth that will likely be around a while to make an impact. There is well over a dozen or so of those guards out there in 2018. Going to be important class for Colleges in general
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.
We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.
I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.
Locking in on McCormack and not chasing the athletic dragon was a great decision imo.
So much of recruiting is identifying who the staff thinks they can land. Looks genius when it works and it all makes sense now how the staff dropped off with Carey and Ayo when Dotson did seem extremely solid w/ KU. We heard how it was “commit watch” with Dotson awhile back. Could be he just wanted to be thorough or take more visits.
Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.
Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn’t leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.
I wasn’t as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn’t look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn’t need scare them off by going hard after others…?
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It’s ok though you sure don’t hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn’t look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation… .
With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone’s fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was “Duke’s guy” even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don’t think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU’s gain. Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.
I’m certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn’t want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.
Kids wanna play. KU did a great job making Dotson “the guy”. If Duke would have prioritized him who knows, but they basically had to take Tre Jones, which took that off the table.
Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn’t a true NC kid. I don’t know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.
Definitely I don’t think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.
Good point, he was a Chicago native until HS I believe? Probably helped him from being a Duke/UNC target growing up through the NC system.
Agree about Quickley, don’t see him as a multi-year player. I don’t see him as the same type of PG as Fox, Wall, Rose but obviously going to Kentucky he’s part of the machine for 8 months and he’s gotta go. Wouldn’t have minded him in a KU uniform either, sounds like we definitely gave him something to consider as his recruitment winded down…
Agree this class has excellent College potential. I kind of like to see classes where you get a ton of depth that will likely be around a while to make an impact. There is well over a dozen or so of those guards out there in 2018. Going to be important class for Colleges in general
Yeah. Some people are down on the class in terms of the NBA but that just means more of these players should be sticking around as foundation pieces.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.
Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn’t leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.
I wasn’t as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn’t look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn’t need scare them off by going hard after others…?
Maybe the staff learned from Diallo. He was super athletic but he was dead set on being OAD and didn’t have the skill/smarts to play for Self much year one. Bad combination…
Maybe a change in philosophy. SDS is plenty athletic but I don’t think he is locked into being a OAD. Especially with the way his stock fell (was top 5).
Fully believe KU could have got Carey if that’s the way the staff wanted to go. But the staff went hard elsewhere. I think he would have been a good fit as well. Dotson is a fantastic fit though and Grimes is a must take legacy with insane potential.
I’d put Ayo a shade below Dotson. Should be a fantastic multiyear player.
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
BeddieKU23 said:
Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way
Seemed like, without any inside knowledge of the situation that Tyus was really pro Duke and Okafor was big on KU but ultimately we know who won out there…
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It’s been a pleasure reading all your takes on recruiting this off season. I feel better informed this year on recruits than ever before.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.
Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn’t leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.
I wasn’t as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn’t look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn’t need scare them off by going hard after others…?
Maybe the staff learned from Diallo. He was super athletic but he was dead set on being OAD and didn’t have the skill/smarts to play for Self much year one. Bad combination…
Maybe a change in philosophy. SDS is plenty athletic but I don’t think he is locked into being a OAD. Especially with the way his stock fell (was top 5).
Fully believe KU could have got Carey if that’s the way the staff wanted to go. But the staff went hard elsewhere. I think he would have been a good fit as well. Dotson is a fantastic fit though and Grimes is a must take legacy with insane potential.
I’d put Ayo a shade below Dotson. Should be a fantastic multiyear player.
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
BeddieKU23 said:
Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way
Seemed like, without any inside knowledge of the situation that Tyus was really pro Duke and Okafor was big on KU but ultimately we know who won out there…
Diallo was a case of wrong fit. I was convinced he’d be great here but the player, coach and scheme just didn’t fit and of course the NCAA screwed him out of a full season. If he ended up at Kentucky he would have been fine. Diallo does look much improved in the NBA with development and maturity. Just a case of a player that wasn’t ready to play for Bill Self- unfortunately we’ve had a slew of those bigs lately… Diallo, Cliff, Bragg.
I do think De Sousa and McCormack will be different. I don’t see the pressure on them to be OAD’s, I think both of them want to be coached instead of babied. We’ll see but I’m excited about this pair
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@BeddieKU23 Could It be that it was Bill Self who screwed up the handling of the bigs in question? More Diallo and Cliff are my belief. The handling of both is all on Bill Self in my opinion. Well documented here as we lived it.
When Self has experienced security blankets, he’ll bypass guys with much greater talent and toss out all sorts of excuses. Self recruited and chose Diallo and Cliff for his program. When you say “fit”, that implicates Self.
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Alexander was kinda coming along and also probably would have stayed for a 2nd year if he could have. I think his situation was quite different than Diallo.
I think…or at least hope…that Self has learned from what happened with Bragg already. Based on things he and Preston have said about where he will be playing on the court. Bragg just WASN’T a low post guy. Self thought he should have been because of his size and tried to force it. Bragg wasn’t even bad last year when he got to play…
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Could It be that it was Bill Self who screwed up the handling of the bigs in question? More Diallo and Cliff are my belief. The handling of both is all on Bill Self in my opinion. Well documented here as we lived it.
When Self has experienced security blankets, he’ll bypass guys with much greater talent and toss out all sorts of excuses. Self recruited and chose Diallo and Cliff for his program. When you say “fit”, that implicates Self.
I absolutely agree. I think he definitely screwed up with both of them.
We obviously can’t change the past and we have talked about these players a ton over the years so is there a solution that Self will take to how he approaches using De Sousa and McCormack? There is a chance both come in and are not forced to be starters. Lawson (if here) and Azubuike could be the front line next season which ideally would allow both big men to become rotation pieces and develop behind guys that already know what is expected from Self. Any thought?
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I thought Alexander was coming on strong. He finally looked like he was figuring it out and was reported to be the best player in practice about the time he got shut down. Year two would’ve been nice, but his family screwed him out of that not Bill Self.
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BShark said:
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
Where did you see this? I didn’t catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.
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RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
Where did you see this? I didn’t catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.
Article on Kansas 247 site.
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BShark said:
RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
Where did you see this? I didn’t catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.
Article on Kansas 247 site.
Bah, I don’t have access. What is his new timeline?
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RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU.
Where did you see this? I didn’t catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.
Article on Kansas 247 site.
Bah, I don’t have access. What is his new timeline?
“We want to announce before the end of the year [2017],” said Stelly about their decision timeline. Stelly is his mother
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Bill Self on Devon Dotson: “We recruited three or four lead guards in the country this past year knowing all the perimeter players that we’ll be losing,” Self said. "We felt like Devon had the highest ceiling of the guys that we were recruiting. # kubball
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“He can make plays for others but he also has plenty of explosiveness that he can make plays for himself,” Self said. “And even though they are different type players, in some ways he will remind people of Frank (Mason) because of his ability to get into the lane and make plays for himself and make plays for others.”
Dotson averaged 24.4 points, 6.8 rebounds and 5.1 assists last season at Providence Day School. KU assistant coach Norm Roberts was his primary recruiter.
Self lauded Dotson’s size while also reiterating that he projected as “one of the most explosive guards we’ve had since I have been here at Kansas.”
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Aside from being named to the all-tournament team, Dotson was awarded the “Most Spectacular Player” of the China-USA Youth Basketball Specular, which was given to the player that, not only made a lasting impression on the court but one that held himself to an even higher standard off the court.
More here: https://kansas.rivals.com/news/back-from-china-devon-dotson-talks-about-overseas-experience
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Watched the feed.
Devin is smooth, shifty, good body control in the air, and has a nice touch inside and out, but he releases his J low and he has no left hand.
I’m not sure even Self can mask no left hand on a point guard.
He will struggle in D1 unless/until he gets one.
Some guys can learn to dribble and lay up off hand, but others not.
Hope he is one that can.
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BShark said:
Aside from being named to the all-tournament team, Dotson was awarded the “Most Spectacular Player” of the China-USA Youth Basketball Specular, which was given to the player that, not only made a lasting impression on the court but one that held himself to an even higher standard off the court.
So he’s nothing like the Ball kid?
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dylans said:
BShark said:
Aside from being named to the all-tournament team, Dotson was awarded the “Most Spectacular Player” of the China-USA Youth Basketball Specular, which was given to the player that, not only made a lasting impression on the court but one that held himself to an even higher standard off the court.
So he’s nothing like the Ball kid?
Ha, speaking of the Ball kid - he sweet little sticky fingers brother said in an interview that he really wasn’t sincere in his thanks to President Trump. - Said if UCLA hadn’t pretty much told him he needed to say something giving Trump thanks - he wouldn’t of said anything about it - -hmmm the big question here is - -why does that not surprise me lmao. - So ya Devon is like night and day from the Ball mess lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yeah, Devon is a really good kid. He will represent the program well.
@jaybate-1-0 There will be growing pains but he is going to end up a top 20 recruit, likely across all the ranking services. His jump shot is definitely the biggest issue at this point.
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@BShark With Dotson’s shooting issues, it’s a good thing we’ll be playing big/conventional next season. We may slide back to the days of low three point rates. But I think Self will incorporate his more tolerant approach, with (hopefully) a large helping of high/low.
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He’s a much better shooter then garrett was at this same stage. He is a relentless attacker, we will love that about him
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@HighEliteMajor Yeah, next year will definitely be more of a return to classic Self ball. We’ve been spoiled with great shooting lately. Next year the team might struggle to have a single player over 40% from three. It totally depends on if Vick stays or if KU adds Romeo. Certainly I expect a lot of the three point looks next year to be a bit more open due to non-shooters plus having a lot of talent inside. I’m expecting the offense to run through Dedric a lot.
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