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    Nothing to prove... nothing to win.

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    • B Offline
      BeddieKU23
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      There have been sustained coaching issues since 22.

      Recruiting, Roster Building, Development, identity/scheme weaknesses on both sides. The first two might be trending for the better going forward but they are a part of the cog of issues.

      I've certainly been humbled the past few years. This year looks like we'll be humbled even further fighting just to make the tournament if the level of play doesn't take a 180 real quick.

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        JoJoAndMe
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        I hope Jayhawk Nation will always appreciate Coach Self's accomplishments for KU. And, when many of the other long-term, amateur college bball coaches fled the scene when the game went pro, Bill stuck around. He thought he could change with the game and win another Natty for us fans, for the school and for himself. He may have been wrong in that thinking. If our program can't return to excellence this season, then I have to think, regrettably, that it will be time for a change.

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          approxinfinity @JoJoAndMe
          last edited by approxinfinity

          @JoJoAndMe this sums it up well. Hard to overstate the magic of the build ups to 2008, 2012 and 2022.

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            drgnslayr @kjayhawks2.0
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            @kjayhawks2.0 said in Nothing to prove... nothing to win.:

            @drgnslayr To quote Self and every other coach in America, rebounding is 90% want to and 10% skill.

            I agree... but Sampson takes it a step further. His guys are so trained up to rebound they don't even think about it anymore. It's become instinct. And if you watch his team closely... the second the ball leaves the shooter's hands, his guys start a motion towards the goal.

            Once it becomes instinct, players stop thinking and let their instincts take over. There is NO HESITATION in their movements! When I see guys like Tiller (and I don't want to pick on a newby) you can almost see his brain calculating before he makes any kind of movement. Poor guy. He will, at some point, learn to play through his instincts instead of his brain.

            I smell a run! (better buy more toilet paper)

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            • drgnslayrD Offline
              drgnslayr
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              Overall, great game! It's amazing how much of a difference it makes by having our guys give another 10% effort. They steamrolled ISU, but for 7 minutes in the second half, we got steamrolled. It's just about giving a bit more effort, that's all.

              I smell a run! (better buy more toilet paper)

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                benshawks08
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                I think it was farmer or maybe someone else in the live game chat that brought up the difference it makes having Melvin as the primary ball handler. I think that is right on. I think Melvin is our most consistent in terms of effort and just the act of him being the ball up the court sets a different tone.

                Privilege isn't nonsense.

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                  drgnslayr @benshawks08
                  last edited by drgnslayr

                  @benshawks08

                  I'm with you on that. Even when he brings it up in a half court set, he moves faster, giving defenses less time to set, plus, when we get him to play aggressive, he's usually pushing by his defender, requiring help defense that creates openings for others.

                  We haven't moved the ball this well all year! Passes were crisp, and the ball didn't stick. Our spacing was good; timing good; pace good!

                  We got off to a great start by feeding into the post. We need more of that moving forward! But our bigs have to stay more active like they did in this game!

                  This was a great game to watch!

                  I smell a run! (better buy more toilet paper)

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                    BShark @benshawks08
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                    @benshawks08 said in Nothing to prove... nothing to win.:

                    I think it was farmer or maybe someone else in the live game chat that brought up the difference it makes having Melvin as the primary ball handler. I think that is right on. I think Melvin is our most consistent in terms of effort and just the act of him being the ball up the court sets a different tone.

                    Seems like from the post game comments Bill made that it was not by design. Hopefully that changes...

                    Absolutely do not click (new video sept 30 2025): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjs1LR1sarQ

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                      benshawks08 @BShark
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                      @BShark I'll have to go listen to the postgame. It might be some more deflection because the reality is that this is Melvin's team and DP is just playing on it, but that can't be the narrative from the staff on that.

                      Privilege isn't nonsense.

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                        Jayhawk_69 @benshawks08
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                        @benshawks08 What is interesting, though it might just be a coincidence, is that our most successful teams did not have out best player as our primary ball-handler. We have had lots of really good teams where our primary ball-handler was our best player (Frank Mason, Devonte Graham, and Sherron Collins teams). However, our title years both had floor-general specialists handling the ball and running the offense while our best players played off ball.

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                          approxinfinity @Jayhawk_69
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                          @Jayhawk_69 also 2012 title run. Def a team there.

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                            Jayhawk_69 @approxinfinity
                            last edited by Jayhawk_69

                            @approxinfinity Even in our 2018 FF run this holds somewhat true. While Devonte Graham was our best player throughout the season, Malik Newman emerged as our best player in the postseason allowing Devonte to shift into the roll of a secondary star/facilitator.

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