An Appetite For Discussion And Ginger Lime Duck
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@HighEliteMajor great only ends in ship !
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@HighEliteMajor Whats your thought about not seeing Vick in lieu of DG at all in 2nd half? I was a little surprised we didnât see more Vick personally. Maybe attitude assessment on the bench, DG seemed more composed? Needed the 2 PGs?
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@HighEliteMajor agree, but instead of waiting till after half to get them fired up when we have a deficit-why not have the guys ready at tip?
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@DoubleDD I know about Frank - please. We could have used more length against Oregon.
Defense is king in the tournament, IMO, which is part of a larger category of energy. Bell had it. Dorsey had it. Brooks had it. Couple that with their length and defensive mindset and they couldnt be stopped.
I want a long, defensive team like Syracuse in 2013 or Kentucky in 2014/2015.
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Well they go to Italy this summer, just really confused who will be going Devonte REALLY needs to come back â -Iâm thinking SVI will come back, just not a good night. - - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY
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You guys complaining about not having doka know Oregonâs 7 footer was hurt a few weeks back right? On to next year thanks everyone for the fun discussing of things. Wish it ended better.
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@globaljaybird thanks buddy. youâre right
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@HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD I know about Frank - please. We could have used more length against Oregon.
Defense is king in the tournament, IMO, which is part of a larger category of energy. Bell had it. Dorsey had it. Brooks had it. Couple that with their length and defensive mindset and they couldnt be stopped.
I want a long, defensive team like Syracuse in 2013 or Kentucky in 2014/2015.
Well let me know when KU has a team to your liking. This team was special. If the shot fall KU is in the Final 4.
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About time to dump the direct TV
Give me time to figure TV out without cable/satellite for next bball season.
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@BigBad We should have that presence next year, will have that post presence - - with Udoka dam is the season really over - -feels like a nightmare -good season but came up short. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Self interviewed now.
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@DoubleDD if they were special, they would be going to Pheonix but they arent. Really tough defensive teams make our guys uncomfortable and have for years. We need to get guys of that caliber defensively and toughness wise to match up better and make other teams uncomfortable.
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@HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD if they were special, they would be going to Pheonix but they arent. Really tough defensive teams make our guys uncomfortable and have for years. We need to get guys of that caliber defensively and toughness wise to match up better and make other teams uncomfortable.
Well it seems youâre an expert. Call Coach and see if you can get a job.
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Selfâs comments:
Matchup problems. JJâs fouls. Shot selection bad. Got sped up. Didnât execute. But we fought. Put ourselves in position. Ball didnât bounce our way. But that was due to them. They were really good.
FM and Landen have been great ambassadors for us. But this will not define them.
Jordan Bell had a lot to do with it. Tyler Dorsey. Dillon Brooks. We tried to do it the best we know how. We just didnât respond well today.
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Bill: didnât make shots. They hit everything. Got all the bounces their way⌠Thatâs about it.
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At least somebody gets it.
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@DoubleDD I like playing but maybe Ill get into coaching.
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It was a respectable season and the Hawks were a lot of fun to watch, but that was a tough ending. Iâm sad for sure but the guys that had bad games tonight feel a lot worse. At least I donât sense that Bill puckered as much as we didnât play well and Oregon did. I also donât believe we got beat by an inferior team. Oregon is good - good enough to cut down the nets, so Iâm gonna let it go while hoping Donna Altwoman stubs his pinky toes in the dark every time he gets up to take a leak in the middle of the night.
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You know another thing was, we really didnât really get out and run in transition very much tonight either, and they went down and held the ball and held the ball and held the ball and then when they did miss fricken Bell always seemed to get the rebound. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Knock yourself out. You seem to have all the answers.
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@HawkChamp NY will let you move dude-unless Trump stops ya?
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@HighEliteMajor said:
For anyone that thinks this game was a Bill Self loss, you need to rethink it a bit.
This isnât Stanford or Villanova.
This loss was about a terrific turnaround after half time on the defensive end, but our inability to execute offensively.
I was continually amazed at the quality of shots and looks we had in the second half. The game was right there for the taking.
There were many times over the years when the âfailure to executeâ was incorrectly blamed. This isnât one of them.
Still Selfâs best coaching job.
@BigBad is right. Our thin post presence was the undoing tonight. We had no real option there.
Lots of things went wrong tonight. One of them was not Bill Self. He was calm and cool. And his team came out fired up after half, and everything went right except the ball going in the hoop.
Again, this is much, much different than some of the NCAA tourney losses weâve seen.
Great season.
I agree it isnât Stanford - although I might disagree a bit that there isnât at least some similarity to Villanova - namely that we just couldnât score - and that a key player just came up empty at a critical time.
While I also agree that Self did a good job with this team - adapting to the personnel rather than rigidly adhering to his system when he clearly didnât have the right personnel to execute it, there is something going on that I canât pinpoint. At the end of the day, the guy at the top has to be accountable for coming up short of expectations in the tournament. I think weâve only finished above our expected result based on seed once during the Self era - in 2012.
There is at least some disconnect between regular season and postseason results. There is just too long a track record now to conclude otherwise. 13th straight conference title, 31 wins, probable NPOY - lots to be thankful for. But falling short of the FF yet again - as a number 1 seed - after dominating the first 3 games - in KC. Extraordinarily disappointingâŚ
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I want Roy or Cal to beat Dana Altman and his guys badly.
Then Frank Martin (#BIFM2!) can finish off the winner.
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@approxinfinity said:
I want Roy or Cal to beat Dana Altman and his guys badly.
Then Frank Martin (#BIFM2!) can finish off the winner.
I would be cool with that.
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The most interesting thing to me about this loss was the matchup zone that gave us fits. A typical Bill Self high low offense with a solid 4 kills that zone. Short corner shots, high low passes, etc. Weâve become a pick and roll, spread O this season and its great when the shots are falling and itâs worked great with the personnel. However it was a bad mismatch with the matchup zone when 3s arenât falling.
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@BigBad Thats why I want Bill to have long, defensive teams and mix it up. Its worked well for Jay Wright and Dana Altman.
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@approxinfinity said:
I want Roy or Cal to beat Dana Altman and his guys badly.
Then Frank Martin (#BIFM2!) can finish off the winner.
I would rather have another program win it.
I donât want blue bloods adding to their NC totals while we donât.
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Probably should just call coach at the beginning of the season and let him know the team is special by that logic. Donât worry about tweaking anything or adjusting or trying to get better⌠Theyâre special come on. Doesnât work that way. Bill adjusted alot of things to make them as good as they were. The goal is to get better by a small percentage everyday in order to get alot better by the end of the season. For the most part that happened. But we quite honestly played December or January defense tonight in late March for a half. And played tight and hurried on offense for an entire game. Some ppl feel like that is a pattern. Those that donât⌠thatâs your choice. What I see or say simply doesnât require your agreement. Hope we do better next time. The end
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@Blown where was our energy and desire in the first half(except Mason)?
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@HawkChamp said:
@BigBad Thats why I want Bill to have long, defensive teams and mix it up. Its worked well for Jay Wright and Dana Altman.
I wouldnât trade Mason or Graham for anybody. I could say some more things but I wonât as Iâm already on thin ice.
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@HawkChamp said:
@BigBad Thats why I want Bill to have long, defensive teams and mix it up. Its worked well for Jay Wright and Dana Altman.
Bragg gets his head out of his as and Azibuke stays healthy and we could have mixed it up all year
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@KUSTEVE Ya, heâs well known like that. Leopards never change their spotsâŚ
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@cragarhawk Fire him, he can afford a manicureâŚ
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@BigBad itâs crazy and I wouldâve never bet on it. But Bragg was so lackluster this year. I nearly forgot about the idea I had that he would be a huge part of this teams success. He made himself nearly forgettable. Crazy
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@DoubleDD Dont get me wrong - I love Frank and Devonte but added length would really help them. Think about how difficult Kentucky in 2015 was. That is what I want to see.
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I donât care who you are ??? If this KU loss doesnât hit your heart, then maybe you should look in the mirror.
Just maybe you isnât the KU fan you think you are.
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I love Lucas, but KUâs post issues finally caught up with the team tonight.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You get a pass ?? I got an edit ⌠Itâs all goodTexâŚno prob
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@globaljaybird donât think you have a fire a guy to point a deficiency. I mean my wife hates the fact i donât do dishes very often. But I donât think sheâs divorcing me over it. And ya. Iâm trying to do that for her more often. Growth
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Had 4 RBâs by our bigs.
Bragg didnât see the floor. But we were seeing extreme pressure inside and Bragg doesnât finish through contact.
LL ended up with 9 points but only 3 RBâs. Coleby got 1 in 4 minutes
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@autohawk donât have the tools to measure energy nor desire. Sorry I canât be of assistance.
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@Blown just the eye test/results
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20% from 3
That hurt. Oregon had a lot to do with that by destroying our confidence
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Letâs say Bill announces heâs leaving Kansas. Who you gonna go get to fulfill your expectations?
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Never thought I be on a KU site were some would be beating their chest saying I told you so ???
Unbelievable.
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@DoubleDD itâs an ego thing. Donât worry about it.
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@Bwag thats why I want to see long, athletic players and mix up defenses - zone press/matchup zone/press, etc.
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@HawkChamp Dukes long and athletics are sitting at home. Now what ?
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I know. I just have a very bad temper. I even did anger management courses. I just canât wrap my mind around a KU fan saying I told you so.
Just slays me.
