Just too funny.....
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Hello, is this the police? I’d like to report a police officer in uniform with his gun in my classroom.
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@brooksmd Ooh, this is terrific. Academia vs. popular trend!
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I am not sure whether it is funny, idiotic or pathetic but the professor apparently teaches criminal science…the irony…or lunacy.
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The article on the original post cites almost verbatim what was posted by the oficer on Facebook and has been widely reported in that social media site.
I have friends and relatives in law enforcement and I know that uniforms, including those worn by SWAT teams, are specifically designed with plenty of identifying features so as to leave no doubt that the wearer is a law enforcement member. In my opinion, the statement by Loyola .University sounds like CYA to the overreaction by a student and a professor who could not identify a police uniform. Just my take.
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A few year ago I happened to be listening to Rush Limbaugh, and he did a segment titled: Are Americans idiots?
I believe this officially confirms his point.
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@JayHawkFanToo Facebook is not a legitimate news source. Are you suggesting that the officer student’s opinion as stated on Facebook is in fact the news, and that by reiterating the social media posts of one person, Heat Street has acted in the capacity of a legitimate news source and “reported the news?” I get what the story sounds like. It’s News Corp’s MO to report things to sound like a certain thing without doing any investigative work.
Unfortunately, primetime news pundits are also bad at reporting real news.
Here are some more fun “facts” from Fox. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
And of course, CNN is not much better. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/
WWWCD? (What would Walter Cronkite do?)
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@approxinfinity The would-be reporters of what I call “alt-media” (both left and right) think it is news to report that “someone has alleged…” or “[some social media site] is reporting that…” with absolutely no independent inquiry into the underlying facts. Reporting the existence of a rumor as fact, thus justifying spreading the rumor.
Unfortunately it is kind of like what people here are doing in spreading lots of rumors from campus scuttlebutt about the woman in the Bragg incident. When his arrest occurred, we saw many cautions about letting the process work rather than condemning him. There has been a marked lack of willingness to let the system play out when it has come to condemning her.
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Yep, it’s always a misunderstanding.
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@approxinfinity If you can believe a left leaning website created by the Tampa Bay Times.
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@mayjay fortunately for “her” she hasn’t had her pic splashed over ESPN and most news media!
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@brooksmd
you’re right about that. Listening to the news has always been a leap of faith, trusting that the media will present a clear enough picture that is impartial. Maybe that’s just not possible.But I do think that the “It’s always a misunderstanding” is pretty much spot on. We are all part of the same society and just by participating in it we implicitly agree on most things. Our differences may be stated explicitly, but they are far less. And the media preys on our insecurities with ourselves and with each other and seeks to divide us and sell their brand of spin to get us tapped into their pipeline and pissed at some other group of Americans. It’s like Will Rogers said: “I never met a man I didn’t like.” I’m pretty sure that spending time with most people will make them 3d individuals and there are redeeming qualities to everyone if given the chance.
It’s not hard to imagine a situation where a student in fatigues with a gun might make another student uncomfortable, and a policy that requires the professor to confirm that he’s an officer. It’s not hard to imagine a law abiding citizen being irritated about being questioned about his wearing his police gear.
Why should we spend our imagination on what greater differences might be embodied by a moment of conflict, rather than having empathy for the differing mindsets involved? Someone might dismiss the moment then and say “well then it’s not news”, and I guess it depends on how you define news. Is it Walter Cronkite news? No. It is an American moment, one of the many details of our cultural fabric, that happened to find the light. A little piece of where we are. And maybe the tension is natural. It holds the picture together. But neither side is right or wrong. It’s just a misunderstanding.
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@brooksmd After all, as long as they all now feel warm & fuzzy, that’s what really matters, right? thank Heavens for social media.Just as well call it social disease-LOL…
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@approxinfinity earlier this year I saw an interview w/Self and someone asked him if he watched any tv programs, he said he watched news programs while he was on the tread mill. He added that he learned to switch it up or he would go mad just watching one channel.
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@approxinfinity A brilliant post. I might just add that a few of the mass shootings have involved people who were dressed all in black. We have no idea if the reporting student could see insignia.
I also think that the prof is not being given any credit for resolving it with a simple phone call, which supports the policy-check story. Had he been panicky, as the overwrought reactionaries are charging he was, I think the situation would have escalated and the campus police would have shown up to question our offended SWAT officer.
Much ado about nothing caused by a hyper-sensitive guy who is seeing political motivations even in a situation where his out-of-the ordinary behavior created the initial questions.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Very true. Yet, we have been informed of her religion. Isn’t that oddly irrelevant yet highly manipulative as the campus mobs up to protect the athlete?
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The problem goes further than just news source bias. As private businesses, news sources have discovered that they sell more news when they maintain balance in systems they report on, so they do so under the guise of championing neutrality.
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I believe you took my post out of context.
I never indicated that Facebook was or is a legitimate news source, I simply indicated that the link in the very first post quotes what the officer in the middle of this controversy wrote himself…just about word for word. It did not embellished or changed the context, it simply reported what the alleged aggrieved party reported. Again, Heat Street reported what was trending on Facebook without changing the first person account of the event or vouching for its authenticity. This is the equivalent of the press reporting on Bragg’s deal, which is a news worthy event, without vouching for one side or the other since all the facts were and still are not in. Should the press not report at all that Bragg was arrested, even when all the facts are not in and he might actually be completely innocent? I think not.
This morning I visited with a friend who happens to be a policeman and had seen the story. His comment was that police uniforms are designed as to not leave any doubt that the individual wearing is in law enforcement. His words were…you would have to be a moron not not know the individual was a law enforcement agent, hard to believe that a college student and a criminal science professor could not see this…I am paraphrasing, of course. The fact that the University apologized to the officer tends to give validity to his account.
As far as Punditfacts, much like Snopes, it is a liberal leaning group with definite agenda and a lot of the “verification” of comments made by conservative individuals are routinely rated as “mostly false,” even when the great majority of the facts are proven true and just a small percentage is ambiguous. Frankly I do not trust either right or left leaning sources and prefer to do the verification myself; with the abundance of search engines, it is not that difficult.
Enough politics, back to KU basketball.
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This is not the same thing as reporting facts about Bragg’s story. This is a report about an opinion. Reporting the guy’s opinion is not reporting facts. This would be the equivalent of the news interviewing Bragg’s “victim” and reporting that as the story. That’s what tabloids do.
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@JayHawkFanToo Don’t discount Russia’s influence on making the professor call the police when he saw a …police officer. Those Ruskies are all powerful, you know.
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Yep. If they were able to get into Hillary’s schedule and cancel all her appearance in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, who knows what they are capable of doing…those pesky Ruskies sure hate Catholics.
P.S. I am Catholic.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
Enough politics, back to KU basketball
You see what idle minds do? Just a week off and we are already being led astray by distractions. The election’s legacy, no doubt.
We need some good old basketball-related fights! There has been way too much agreement about the team. C’mon, people. You aren’t trying!
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Amen brother.
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@JayHawkFanToo Unfortunately, I can’t tell if you are joking or if your “news” sources are telling you that there are people that believe the Russians cancelled Hillary’s stops in the rust belt. You just never know
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@approxinfinity There was an article earlier this year discussing the trouble The Onion was having coming up with satirical news stories because the real headlines were sometimes funnier.
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Of course I am joking. I don’t believe the Russians or anyone else could have cancelled those appearances…oh, wait…someone did…
Just yanking your chain a little. It’s all good.
P.S. FWIW, White House spokesman Josh Earnest just indicated there was no evidence of hacks impacting counting and/or casting of ballots.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
Of course I am joking. I don’t believe the Russians or anyone else could have cancelled those appearances…oh, wait…someone did…
Just yanking your chain a little. It’s all good.
P.S. FWIW, White House spokesman Josh Earnest just indicated there was no evidence of hacks impacting counting and/or casting of ballots.
It’s all good.
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@JayHawkFanToo Josh needs to talk to his boss then. I’m still waiting for the light bulb to come on indicating they have finally accepted the real reason she lost. Sooner or later they’ll run out of excuses and have to face facts.
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@brooksmd Don’t blame me, I voted for Bernie
Hillary was an awful nominee.
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Then you have a legitimate beef with the DNC since it conspired to marginalize Bernie and hand the nomination to Hillary. No guessing there since it is a proven fact that even Bernie got rightfully POd about.
The sad truth is that in these elections we all held our noses and voted for who we thought was the lesser of two evils…or the less evil of two lessers…or…
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@JayHawkFanToo As “deplorable” as it is, you’re right.
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@brooksmd Wow.
On one hand, yeah, it is comical.
Second hand, its unfortunate that cops are looked upon with such distrust. BUT, they kinda did it to themselves, and I know, we cannot generalize or make snap judgements. Its not fair to everyone who wears the uniform. Not all cops are bad, etc… But seriously, how can anyone not be surprised about being looked at under a microscope if your an officer of the law?
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@Fightsongwriter Glad you mentioned Rush Limbaugh. So, you heard Rush calling all Americans “idiots”… Hmmmm…when did that happen? Are you sure he didn’t say “liberals or progressives are idiots”? That’s really odd…I always thought Rush Limbaugh loved America. Just want to make sure you weren’t a victim of fake news. Now, I know this is a longshot, but maybe the Russians hacked into your radio signal you were listening to when you conducted your Rush Limbaugh investigation - I mean, if they’re powerful enough to make Hillary the most disliked candidate ever, the sky is the limit.
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@KUSTEVE Just speculating here…In an uncharacteristically honest revelation, Rush Limbaugh probably admitted that he falls to his knees every day to thank God that Americans are such idiots.
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@mayjay The definition of ignorance is contempt without investigation.
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@KUSTEVE I believe that! That is why I read 4 papers a day, from WSJ to NYT, plus 3 to 4 online news sources, but I definitely won’t read any CIA intel reports. They made some mistakes, you know, so anything they say is ridiculous.
Just funnin’, y’all!
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@KUSTEVE Important clarification. He did not say “all Americans are idiots”. He said, “are we (have we become ) idiots?” It was a question for discussion (as much as allowed, right?), not a statement. Now I maybe listen once a month, and it was mildly entertaining. Probably 3-4 years ago. When you look at the cesspool of media, un-reality tv, and inane political blather, his premis, as exemplified by this story of the man in blue, may be spot on. Our minds have become so open our brains have leaked out. Our phones have become so smart our brains have leached all common sense. Thank the Lord we have Ku hoops to obsess about!!
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Cops suck. They make snap judgements about civilians all the time. Not all are very good at what they do and the poor ones give the rest a bad name. I’m still waiting to meet a good one.
If the shoe was on the other foot (given my personal experience) that student carrying a gun would’ve been tackled by several officers, experienced several broken ribs, likely been tasered 7-10 times and booked if he made it to jail alive. Then the prosecutor would go ahead and press charges. No possibilty of recourse for the student, lawyers won’t touch this stuff. (Pretty much what happened to my brother, but he didn’t have a weapon and was only 120 lbs).
Law enforcement is above the law. And that is a major problem. I’m white and I have been wronged by law enforcement, I can only imagine how minorities are treated. There needs to be an enforcement task force to police the police IA isn’t getting it done. If Kansas cops are this crooked imagine Chicago’s police force.
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@dylans I believe this one qualifies as a good one. Be sure and watch the re-match video.
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@brooksmd That second video brought tears to my eyes. People need to watch that!
Of course, now the NCAA will follow those 8 kids, rule that they received impermissible benefits, and screw up their first year of college. KU will help them out.
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@mayjay http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/12/13/venezuela-follows-indias-example-and-voids-half-of-its-cash/
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@KUSTEVE For all the criticism of the good old US of A, we have a pretty remarkably stable system, surviving many crises and major upheavals. Let us hope it stays that way.
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/15/facebook-introduce-warning-labels-stories-deemed-fake-news/link text
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/12/15/9-reasons-politifact-unqualified-label-fake-news/link text
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/12/16/soros-finances-group-helping-facebook-flag-disputed-stories/link text
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Censorship…coming to social media platforms.
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@KUSTEVE I thought that posting fake news on Social Media to drive ad revenue was right there in the 1st Amendment. Must be in the penumbra!
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@mayjay It is a constitutional right of this administration to lie like rugs over the “Russian hack”, and the solemn duty of the mainstream media to act as court transcribers to every lie that lefty comes up without any form of examination. I fully support their right to lie to the American people without being censored.
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