Jamari arrested early this morning.
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@KUSTEVE The problem in this country is, - two perspectives on this subject still exist.
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@wrwlumpy One perspective says a police officer responding to a strong armed robbery is attacked by said robber, and ends up having to shoot him is a worse crime than inciting violence against an entire race of people that leads to an entire neighborhood being burned down, along with 4 hammer-wielding youths randomly bludgeoning a 31 year old innocent man to death. You are soooo right - there are 2 different perspectives. I recognize I am digressing, and way off topic, so this will be my last post on the subject. Hope I haven’t offended anyone.
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Nothing good happens when you are out at 2 in the morning. Let’s start with that. If you’re out at that hour and things start to turn, no matter what race you are, things can go bad very quickly at that hour of the morning. So Jamari (or anyone else), being out at that time, needs to exercise some caution.
But let’s think about Jamari. He grew up in a pretty rough Chicago neighborhood where I am almost positive that the police weren’t always showing up to protect and serve the people living there. That’s a fact just as much as what I wrote in the first paragraph.
The facts in the second paragraph do not nullify the facts in the first paragraph. Regardless of what neighborhood you grew up in, if you are out at 2 in the morning, trouble may find you so you need to be very careful.
But here’s the kicker - the facts in the first paragraph do not nullify the second, either. Jamari has an ingrained distrust of law enforcement borne out of probably dozens of past encounters with law enforcement.
Back when I was in college I was stopped by police probably over a dozen times. In that time, I got 2 tickets. The other times they stopped me “just to see why I was on campus so late” (I had an on campus job that closed up at midnight or later) or “just to make sure I wasn’t lost” or other vague reasons for stopping me so they could engage me and see inside my car. I once was pulled over for speeding (I wasn’t, ticket was later thrown out of court) and, rather than asking me for my license and registration, the cop asked only if I had any weapons or drugs in the car - I responded by handing him my license and registration without another word. Thankfully, I grew up with a father that grew up in the south who taught me how to handle those situations in a way that made sure I got home every night. Did any of those situations make the news? Of course not because I wasn’t an athlete and I didn’t end up dead. But is it right to constantly stop certain individuals based purely on their appearance? Was that fair to me? Of course not, but because I hadn’t been charged, ticketed or injured, I had no case against the officer even though the stop could be considered harassment because there was no crime being committed (or even suspected).
If you’re Jamari, and that has been the situation throughout your life you don’t trust cops. How can you when you have (probably) seen cops rough up friends or family for no real reason, but take their time when you’re actually in danger? Aren’t you worried that if you hand him your ID he will see that you’re Jamari Traylor, figure out that you’re a KU basketball player and decide to make life a little harder because he has all the power right now? This isn’t me saying that Jamari is right, or even that I know what Jamari was thinking, but more that I am trying to shed light on what Jamari may have been considering when he decided not to give his ID to the cops. Does that make it right? No. But maybe there’s an experience in Jamari’s past that influenced that decision that none of us knows about because the Chicago streets where Jamari grew up are tough, and Jamari knows that sometimes the police aren’t there to protect or serve you.
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@justanotherfan Nothing good happens at 2 in the morning?
I think I remember a one or two AM run to Joes (I think that’s the name) bakery for some hot donuts. I was driving east, so I just pulled across the street and faced the oncoming lanes, which of course were deserted at that time. I got my donuts, pulled away and a cop pulled me over for driving on the wrong side of the street. I told him I was too lazy to go up to the corner and turn around. He liked my answer, I should have given him a donut. He let me go. The donuts were delicious.
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@wissoxfan83
That made me smile.
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He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book. Benjamin Franklin
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Traylor gets a one game suspension. Perfect. The time fits the crime. It gives Traylor perhaps a mental break. And it gives us a break from the poor play. Perhaps Traylor can get it going.
And who knows, maybe Mickelson gets a shot and impresses. Or Lucas gets 22 minutes and shows he might be the better option. Who knows.
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@HighEliteMajor http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/08/kansas-forward-suspended-for-wednesdays-game-against-georgetown/
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@HighEliteMajor enjoy your break!
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@KUSTEVE said:
innercity mayhem
Off topic - Innercity - I live 7 miles south of Ferguson, that city is 20 minutes from downtown St Louis. Mayhem - most of the arrests made around this incident are from people that aren’t from here. The nights following the shooting and the grand jury were a bit crazy - camera crews everywhere just itching for something to report, they really fed the flames of tension (I went to some of the protests to see for myself). And the bad elements who used the tension here to loot was just sad.
On topic - glad it’s only one game suspension, we need all hands on deck, as we never know who is going to break out and carry us next!
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From the other site.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2014/dec/08/jamari-traylor-suspended-georgetown-game/?mens_basketball
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@globaljaybird Thank you…I think. (beer)
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@wissoxfan83 Your mention of the late night run to Joe’s brought back some of my best memories at KU!
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@wissoxfan83
I loved Joe’s. I eventually wound up living across the road from Joe’s on Indiana. Heaven… simply heaven. Went back many years later and was truly saddened that they were no more.
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This is not a big deal. Mari made a bad decision and is being punished by sitting out a big game and that is fair. I know we hold the KU roster to a very high standard but at the end of the day these are kids. I wish I could take back about 100 bad decisions I made after 2 a.m. when I was in school in Lawrence, Kansas.
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" I wish I could take back about 100 bad decisions I made after 2 a.m. when I was in school in Lawrence, Kansas."
I’m glad to not take back any of my bad decisions I made after 2am in Lawrence. Most of it turned out to be my cherished memories from KU!
Others have said it… back in the day, Lawrence cops pretty much let students be students (kids be kids) and as long as they weren’t doing something really bad, the police looked the other way. Now, police act like gestapo. It’s all just business now, trying to ring up heavy fines to support the municipality. It’s pretty much like that everywhere.
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@Hawk8086 Joes at 3 am. been there, done that. I used to sop up the alcohol at the Dennys as well. They like drunks there.
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Denny’s in Lawrence? When, where?
Funny how history repeats itself.
Word (a.k.a. rumors) from the KU students is Jamari was trying to break up the fight, and didn’t want to show his I.D. to the cops. Who knows. At least 10 cop cars and an ambulance (refused) up there Saturday night by the Oread monstrosity, so it certainly could have escalated into something worse. I’m inclined to give the KU/Lawrence PD a little credit for handling it fairly well, and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that most if not all the charges are dropped.
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@DanR good to hear that! Hope it’s true, I like spreading encouraging gossip!
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@DanR Totally love the report thAt Jamari was taking the high road to break up a fight ( been there) . So he tried to be a peacemaker and be the voice of reason.
So in the best of best of both worlds he steps in to do a kind (and wise) thing to diffuse the situation.But the other tale is the cops show up among confusion and he is caught up in the mix?
Who knows-just happy it ended as a minor speed bump.
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@REHawk Well said my friend!
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Unfortunately, this is where the out at 2am problem starts. Jamari may have been trying to break up a fight, but once the police show up, they just see a big guy in the middle of a scrum. That’s not a good situation to be in.
I sincerely hope that Jamari has learned from what he has seen in his life that putting himself in that type of situation exposes him to risk for his own safety and his own credibility. Unfortunately, the spotlight shines brighter on him because he’s a basketball player and people can always identify him, so he has to be even more careful.
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According to rumors that are floating around and who knows how much validity they have, the fight Mari was trying to break up involved Cliff. It’s been talked about on Jayhawk Slant. There may be nothing to it, but somehow it doesn’t surprise me.
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This is from the link I posted above…
According to Sgt. Trent McKinley, public affairs officer for the Lawrence Police Department, police responded to The Cave at 1:53 a.m. Sunday. Officers saw several individuals fighting outside, McKinley said, including some who went back into the bar after seeing police arrive.
“Officers observed one individual on the ground motionless, get kicked in the head by another individual,” McKinley said in a release that did not name those arrested at the scene. “Officers handcuffed that suspect and placed him in a patrol car as other officers tended to the injured subject on the ground.”
While officers attempted to identify other victims, suspects and witnesses, McKinley said, “several individuals interfered with the performance of officers’ duties in questioning suspects as others interfered with arrests or attempted to incite the crowd.”
Four arrests were made, McKinley said, adding that the incident was still under investigation.
Coleman was arrested on suspicion of battery, according to the Douglas County Booking Log, while Traylor was arrested on suspicion of interfering with the duties of a police officer. Each posted $100 bond.
This article actually quotes a police spokesman so it is as close to the actual events as we can get. From the description, it sounds like Coleman was the one doing the kicking since he was the only one arrested on suspicion of battery. In these circumstances, the first thing police officers are trained to do is to get the situation under control to prevent an escalation and then take down statements from witnesses. Chances are that Traylor tried to talk/argue to/with the officers while Coleman was being arrested, was warned several times to stand back, which is standard police operating procedure under those circumstances, he did not and was arrested for interfering with the police.
