Frankamp to Wichita St
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From Jeff Goodman today at ESPN:
Elite frosh Oubre, Pinson invisible so far
No elite recruit over the past decade has struggled to get minutes (and produce) out of the gates as much as Kansas freshman Kelly Oubre. However, he has company in fellow frosh Theo Pinson of North Carolina, who was ranked 10th in the freshman class (Oubre was 11th, but he moves up to 10th since Emmanuel Mudiay went to China).
Oubre has scored just 13 points in his first six games at Kansas and has been on the court for a total of 50 minutes thus far. Pinson has scored 16 points, but has been on the court for 94 minutes.
Here are the fewest minutes and points, along with the most minutes and points for a Top 10 recruit through his first six games. It includes the past nine seasons since the Class of 2005 was allowed to go to the NBA out of high school.
FEWEST MINUTES THROUGH FIRST SIX COLLEGE GAMES, TOP 10 RECRUITS (SINCE 2005)
- Kelly Oubre, Kansas – 50
- John Henson, North Carolina – 62
- Tyler Zeller, North Carolina – 72* (broke his wrist after second game)
- Dakari Johnson, Kentucky – 73
- Mason Plumlee, Duke – 81 (missed the first six games of season with a broken wrist)
- Nolan Smith, Duke – 92
- Theo Pinson, North Carolina – 94
- Jordan Hamilton, Texas – 99
- Grant Jerrett, Arizona – 99
- James Michael McAdoo, North Carolina – 101
FEWEST POINTS THROUGH FIRST SIX COLLEGE GAMES, TOP 10 RECRUITS (SINCE 2005)
- Kelly Oubre, Kansas – 13
- Theo Pinson, North Carolina – 16
- John Henson, North Carolina – 18
- Dakari Johnson, Kentucky – 30
- Cameron Ridley, Texas – 30
- Nolan Smith, Duke – 31
- Mason Plumlee, Duke – 32
- Tyler Zeller, North Carolina – 32*
- Grant Jerrett, Arizona – 33
- Kyle Anderson, UCLA – 34
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@HighEliteMajor so, think this is a bit premature?
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@Crimsonorblue22 He may very well have been an asset on offense but with the schedule we play, certainly would be a defensive liability. Quick gaurds at Florida, Georgetown & MSU would tear him apart, not to mention the BG 12 menu. If he could outrebound Frank I might take him for back up. Only way he’d play much is if injury necessitated it. Good for Chita State & his Dad. Curious if anyone else at D 1 was interested? Anyone know?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Lutz is such a buffoon. He took a dump on us by leaving? Here’s what I’d say to that: you weren’t his first choice which is why he came to KU in the first place. He couldn’t beat out multiple other players who were either ranked below him or new to the program this season, so he slinked home to his back-up plan. Feel good about that Shocker fans.
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@globaljaybird he visited Colorado and creighton, read the lutz article.
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“I really connected with Coach Marshall,” Frankamp said. “(WSU coaches) all sound very intense and they live and breathe basketball. They can help my game improve a ton.”
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How about this quote
"We love the coaching staff, we love Coach Marshall,” he said. “They’ve created so many great guards, NBA-caliber guards."
So many NBA caliber guards? As far as I know the only WSU guard (or player) player in the NBA is Cleanthony Early; Baker will probably make it and VanVleet is undersized and borderline NBA.
Best of luck to Conner, hopefully he will develop into a above average college player but I still think that he is long shot for the NBA.
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There’s a lot of mixed emotions regarding CF and WSU, but all I know is this.
I don’t like the WSU fans (I’d say hate, but that seems a little harsh at 6:30 in the morning).
I …HATE (it’s 6:31 now) their coach Slimeball Marshall. I think his hair just got a little greasier and his as$ a little more pompous as he figures he “stole” a star from the Chickenhawks. Yes Gregg, we KNOW you’re ranked higher than us.
Right now.
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@nuleafjhawk I don’t comment about the Shlockers or their greasy coach very often because I have some very pointed views. Their jealousy and envy are right up there with Misery, imo.
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Maybe he just wanted to player closer to home?
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@JRyman so you are the nice one? Jk, of course!
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I agree with you. They have been the little kid on the block for a long time. (Yes I am aware of a few good teams over time, but I am talking about historically). They are on a roll lately and are strutting around like they invented the game or something.
Just like Moo, KU has absolutely nothing to gain by playing them. If we win, we should. If they win, they will crow forever. We don’t need them to bolster our attendance, we don’t need them for recruiting purposes, etc. They are very much like Moo in that respect.
I wish Conner well, unless he is playing KU. It is a shame it didn’t work out at the school he always wanted to play for.
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This is a good move for Frankamp. At WSU he won’t be as much of a defensive liability because he won’t have to guard a lot of NBA caliber guards. Most nights there will be a perimeter player that Marshall can stash him on that isn’t much of a scoring threat. That’s the benefit of midmajor and low major basketball. The best defensive players guard the best offensive players, but Frankamp will be guarding a guy that isn’t really an offensive force, which will allow him to flourish as an offensive player at WSU.
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Anyone think he will beat out VanVleet or Baker for big minutes next season? I still don’t get it. Can anyone point to ANY junior or senior guard for KU that didn’t have a major role on the team? I hope Conner is happy but this feels like a cowardly move. Either man up and beat out some talent, or man up and tell your dad you can make your own decisions. Obviously I don’t actually know the full situation. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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@benshawks08 there’s a chance, small one, they or one of them would enter draft.
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““I really connected with Coach Marshall,” Frankamp said. “(WSU coaches) all sound very intense and they live and breathe basketball. They can help my game improve a ton.””
I think he’s right. If Conner wants to continue playing basketball after college, he’ll need to up his game, and the area where he needs it most is defense. He needs to play that level of intensity they require at WSU… full court pressure… half court traps… WSU plays more x-axis style ball because they don’t usually recruit big guards.
Good luck, Conner!
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@drgnslayr I was being sarcastic, like our coaches couldn’t improve his game??? Or are not intense!!!
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I’m not sarcastic. Of course, Kansas is intense. But we play a different game. We play guard play based on having big guards. WSU’s game is based on small guards… a better fit for Conner. Look… Conner got edged out by a 17 yr old shooting guard that has something like 9 inches of height on him!
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somebody mentioned Marshall could put him on a slow kid and hide his defensive prowess! Unlike our conference, they usually have some players in mvc that are not as athletic as big 12. Not saying that to be snotty, sounds like it.
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There are not many slow guards in the MVC. There are slower guards in the B12. Mid-majors tend to have small, quick guards. They swarm like nats!
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@drgnslayr guess I’ve watched different games than you.
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@JayHawkFanToo Maybe a spot shooter but not big enough to handle nba guards defensively.
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@globaljaybird
I like Conner a lot and I will continue to follow his progress. Yes, he was a star in HS where he was playing against players that worked at McDonald’s but college was big step up and he really did not excel, at least not to the level to think he has NBA potential, and the NBA is an even higher jump. Realistically, he could have a real good college career but the NBA is a long. long ways away. He has a better chance becoming a coach and with KU’s coaching tree, he just passed on his best chance for that.
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I didn’t know we had these defensive stats, anybody else know? I’d like to see them. Angry CF???
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@Crimsonorblue22 More than likely angry DAD.
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@globaljaybird good one!
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Sometimes a transfer is good for everyone involved.
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“He has a better chance becoming a coach and with KU’s coaching tree, he just passed on his best chance for that.”
That was my thoughts, too.
I wonder if that even played into his mind.
I think he’s so focused on wanting to play a big part for a team somewhere, that everything else gets pushed aside.
I would hope his dad would be thinking about that. And realistic about his chances of playing in the league. Not many guys have what it takes to make it in Europe. There are more opportunities for marginal players, but it’s a tough way to go… leaving family and friends far, far away… having to deal with language and cultural issues. Most guys just go try to make good bucks for a couple of years to give them a cushion for starting something else back here… like… coaching!
