Will Roy Lose His Job?
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I see what you did there.
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@nuleafjhawk Yee-Haw! You have captured the spirit of the situation.
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I think it is disgusting that players will make remarks like these 10 years after the fact. If this is all true, McCants knew it was wrong at the time. I get tired of these prima donna players receiving benefits–academic or financial–making remarks years later, knowing they have nothing to lose, although it could cost someone else his/her career.
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I support Roy 100%, unequivocally. Not a moment of hesitation. Almost like I would a family member. I think he is of high character and has proven that over his career. Who the hell is McCants?
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I hope he’s a allowed to coach til he wants. I don’t want to see him hang on too long either.
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Seriously these guys that try to raise a stink late in life.
If there was a system in place and you worked it-and then came out years later and NOW you want to point fingers???
I have posted here that I was a student athlete from a great SMN school. I was an A student in English there but needed help to adjust to a KU English prof-finished with a “B” thankfully I had a KU athletics tutor-and was in sessions with Norm Cook and Donnie Von Moore who needed more help than me but were in class and working hard. I don’t know about the pud course work- I know those boys were struggling but they were not taking basket weaving 15 hours a semester. I hope KU is still on the up and up
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Had McCants said something while it was going on, then I would believe him. In my opinion, his career did not go like he expected, and now he is trying to bring a program down with him. I cannot respect that. Robert Smith, a Running Back at Ohio State many years ago, complained that he was missing too much school due to the practice schedule. He was still in school, when he made that statement. McCants should be ashamed. I don’t think he will turn in his NCAA Championship Ring out of guilt?
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No. Not over this.
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But if he doesn’t get to the Final Four pretty quick he will be.
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I am tickled and truly happy that several former Roy-era KU players have come out publicly in support of Roy (whatchu UNC fans think of that?!)…but the academic side of KU vs. the academic side of UNC are 2 different things. I dont think the stipulations on KU kids can be compared with UNC kids. With all due respect to Rex Walters, Billy Thomas, Ryan Robertson and any other KU/Roy-era players, how can our guys know what went on at UNC academically?
Scary thing is, the one person that might know is Bernadette Gray-Little (dot, dot, dot…).
And if Roy truly does know, why on earth would he admit anything? Investigations can take months. Years. As Jaybate said, Roy’s chief concern is getting his powder/baby-blueblood back to the Final 4…(so Bill Self can beat him again…). Oh, the irony! And dont forget Self’s MensBkball is tops in academics, even better than Duke…
Just to be clear, I loved Roy’s 15yrs here at KU, understood his “going home”…but I’ve been busy enjoying the ‘upgrade’ ever since 2004. Didnt think it was possible back in 2004…
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game show skit
“…and for our next contestant in CollegeAskACoach Sweepstakes, let’s have our next-up coach here in the light blue blazer step right up to the podium… Let me adjust that mic for you there, sir…okay: For an all-expense paid trip to the Final Four Of Your Choice (cue dramatic music) --> ‘Is on-ball- and team-defense related in ANY manner to transition-basketball?’ (cue dramatic music again, same as before). While you ponder that for the duration of the possession-clock, please know that it has now been shortened to 30sec instead of 35sec…(cue loud tic-tock clock sounds). Oh, I do see our next coach contestant, originally from Oklahoma, grinning widely…(tic-tock, tic-tock)…Well, coach?..“Aw shucks”…(tic-tock, tic-tock)…Coach, would you like to call a time-out? You are granted 3 of them…(tic-tock, tic-tock)…“I dont give a schitt about____”…(tic-tock)…”
(Partly fiction, definitely no malice. Pure laffs.)
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Now if Roy was to retire after his long, successful career, who would his successor be? It may matter to KU fans, as it could be a former KU player, possibly? Jerrod Haase, years on the UNC bench…now applying Roy principles at UAB…Actually, the new handchecking rule emphasis may have emboldened the finesse game a bit and ‘slightly-neutered’ the stingy-D playstyles of Self and Izzo and Kryzyewski possibly. Maybe RoyBall has new life? All for the big-mkt ESPN EastCoast millions of TV sets. Let’s tailor the game to serve our highest TV audience. After all, a good matchup between UNC vs. Duke gets everybody (that matter$) fired up, even our favorite (stooge) Dick Vitale. Cue the obnoxious: “…it’s gonna be aww-sum, baby!..”. Fun.
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@ralster I have no idea! But, wouldn’t it be awesome for Haase to teach D and hustle to our young kids?
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@HighEliteMajor Rashad McCants was a top 10 recruit in the 2002 class. He played 3 years at UNC, where he posted very solid numbers. He was part of the 2005 national championship team that beat Illinois and Self’s recruits. He was drafted #14 overall in the 2005 NBA draft but never really made it as a pro.
Also, agree with what you said about Roy. And I like to see UNC win when they aren’t playing Kansas.
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The situation at UNC is hard to figure out. While KU had and still has volunteer monitors that verify that every single athlete makes it to class, I don’t believe the same is true at UNC, or at least I have not read anything about it.
A lot has been written about the African-American Studies program at UNC and its relationship with athletes not only in the basketball program but the football programs as well and most of it has not been good. Where there is smoke there tends to be fire.
I find it difficult to believe that McCants would make these allegations in a vacuum and without any documentation to back it up. Likewise, I would not expect any other players that received similar treatment to come out and say they did and in the process alienate the entire UNC fan base and look stupid to boot. The only way to find out what happened or did not happen would be to hook players to a lie detector and/or place them under oath in a court of law; none of these thing are likely to happen and I just don’t see other players coming out and backing up McCants and incriminating themselves and jeopardizing any degree they might have obtained while at UNC, so, the reality is that we will never really know.
Coaches know (or should know) what goes on in their programs but some chose to remain ignorant (Calipari and Wooden come to mind) for future “plausible deniability.” I am not saying this is what happened with Coach Williams but it has been a while since he left KU and his programs has been in trouble for similar reason before. Here is a 2 year link that gives a decent picture of what we are starting to see now, particularly in relation to the academic adviser that suddenly left…
I just hope that whatever happens there does not cast a cloud over the KU program as well.
On a related note, I noticed that many athletes across all schools are in the African American Studies programs. Absents a follow up graduate degree, what exactly does this program by itself prepares you for in the real world? More specifically, what would a college athlete that does not make it as a pro would do with an undergraduate degree in African American studies? HS teaching perhaps? I tried Goggling it and every noted person that is cited, invariably has a graduate degree in a different field. Just curious and I have no thoughts on the subject either way since I am really not familiar with it.
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The African Studies courses on the whole, along with gender studies depts are an Institutional travesty with severely questionable academic standards and were not uncommon even at KU. As a former employee of the KUAC academic support structure, I had players from time to time offer money to write papers and such, which I declined. It is the colleges themselves that provide cover for the coaches.
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Back in my day I took several minority studies courses, not because I thought it would be easy, but because I was interested in minority studies. Going in, I definitely felt they would be easy courses. Once in, I realized a different reality. Don’t get me wrong, it was fairly easy to pass those classes… but to achieve 'A’s was quite difficult. There was too much subjectivity in the grading and it seemed to be more of a grade system based on favoritism. And I don’t mean that to have a racial tone. The favoritism showed no pattern to any specific group.
I think time will tell if Roy was involved to the degree McCants’ claims. My gut feeling is that there is plenty of “subjective grading” going on with McCants’ statements. Perhaps he slightly inflated his story and everything has escalated to a fevery media pitch.
I (also) shared plenty of classes with athletes… more on the football side. Some of those athletes were caught cheating on tests (along with several non-athletes). The problem in my days at school related more towards fraternities and sororities getting answers to tests before they were administered. It was a wide-spread problem and created issues for everyone, including the better students who worked hard trying to achieve good marks against a bell curve weighted down with cheaters.
I have no problem with “paper classes.” There are always (and will always be) classes around that require less effort to make grade. If I could give one piece of advice to incoming students it would be to find the easier professors. That will positively impact your grade point average more than putting in extra work!
No one said life was fair. It isn’t. So get on with it!
If Roy gets canned than so should the Chancellor and University President… I’m sure they would have equal knowledge.
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@JayHawkFanToo “The situation at UNC is hard to figure out. While KU had and still has volunteer monitors that verify that every single athlete makes it to class, I don’t believe the same is true at UNC, or at least I have not read anything about it.”
It could be that I’m naive about situations like this, but I would really like to know where you would read about which schools have–and which schools do not have–volunteer monitors. Or is KU the only school in the country that has the monitor program?
Also, I don’t necessarily agree with your statement “Where there is smoke there tends to be fire.” I’ve seen cases where there has been billowing clouds–and even char–where there has been no fire at all.
It’s easy to make assumptions. I’d suggest until you have more evidence to not make any comments.
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@nuleafjhawk Ya got my fav leaf !!
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It could be that I’m naive about situations like this, but I would really like to know where you would read about which schools have–and which schools do not have–volunteer monitors. Or is KU the only school in the country that has the monitor program?
I only mentioned two schools in my post, KU which I know for fact has the program and UNC which appears not to have one. If you listen to Coach Self radio show, every time academics are mentioned he makes it a point to talk about the monitoring that KU has in place with volunteers checking if student athletes are in class. Coach Self has indicated that this program is one of the reason why KU BBall has a perfect compliance record. Here is a link from the Wall Street Journal about the KU program…
If you read the article, it indicates that:
“Schools have long enlisted other students to help keep tabs on their scholarship athletes, who are naturally tempted to skip class from time to time to catch up on the sleep they miss practicing, training and traveling for far-away, late-night games. Because college professors rarely grade based on attendance and can’t be bothered to call the roll in big lecture halls, athletic departments often pay students a modest hourly wage to do the dirty work instead. Maryland has been using student “class checkers” for decades; Texas A&M, Georgia and Wisconsin have invested in similar class-checking operations.”
So it looks like KU is not the only school monitoring student. If UNC had similar program, a reasonable person would think that it would be the first thing mentioned by UNC, and yet, there is not single mention that I could find, which again, would lead a reasonable person to infer that no such program is in place at UNC, right?
Schools are even monitoring the use of social media by student athletes ( Remember that Twitter did not work too well for Tyshawn or Naadir), and you can even hire firms that will do that for the school…
Also, I don’t necessarily agree with your statement “Where there is smoke there tends to be fire.” I’ve seen cases where there has been billowing clouds–and even char–where there has been no fire at all.
It’s easy to make assumptions. I’d suggest until you have more evidence to not make any comments.
First, I was careful not to use the traditional and more definitive “Where there is smoke, there is fire,” instead, I wrote a more neutral/benign “Where there is smoke there tends to be fire.” Right?
I am not sure how much you follow college sports but the academic scandal at UNC related to student athletes taking classes they did not have to attend, particularly in the African American Studies programs is huge and has been going on for a couple of years., and no, I did not make any assumptions, it is there for all to see…
Here is a link from ESPN…
Here is a link from the UNC alumni publication…
UNC alumni publication article…
Here is a series of links from the Tar Heel Blog…
Even Congress is getting into the act…
Congress looking at NCAA handling of UNC academic fraud…
If you read the links above and the myriad of stories on the subject, it appears that there is not only smoke but a veritable 5 alarm fire going on a UNC, wouldn’t you agree?
If you read my post again, you will see that I was very careful not to accuse Coach William (whom I respect greatly) of any wrongdoing whatsoever, and I simply indicated that we might never know what really happened. However, if the scandal ends up implicating Coach Williams Student adviser, there is a fair chance that KU might also be called into question, since he is the same adviser Coach Williams had at KU and moved with him to UNC and the one Coach Williams has often mentioned as the “most important member of his staff” or words to that effect.
Again, I am not accusing anyone of any wrongdoing or making wild assumptions; everything I wrote is widely available with a quick Google search.
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@JayHawkFanToo good job!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks!
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@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, not sure how much more evidence needs to be presented before we are allowed to talk about this. LOL
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@icthawkfan316 I appreciate your well researched info.
