Hypothesis: some aliases mostly post after KU losses, or misfortune...hmmm
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I would agree that they probably should.
But in the history of the current format all four #1 seeds have only made it to the final four in the same season only once.
So while they probably should, it is highly unusual for them to do all do it.
Yes,you are correct… I think it is absolute lunacy for anyone to suggest that Coach Self should be fired.
And all I have done is support my case for why I feel that way…just as those who feel otherwise have done.
It is not personal and I haven’t attacked anyone. , it is just a discussion which is the intent of the board. .
And by your own admission it sounds though you don’t feel that way any longer anyway.
And no, I know nothing about coaching basketball.
Do have a lot of experience in administration though.
And I know you don’t run off a coach because he is to stubborn to listen to fans on message boards and do what they want him to do.
Especially when he wins at a level that is in the top 5 percentile of his current peers.
I believe Bill Self is one of the top three or four coaches in the college game right now. And I want to keep him on our bench.
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I’m hopeful. You don’t have to be a coach or an expert on the game of basketball to see that coach was being stubborn in how he wanted to run his offense. I’m hopeful because it seems Coach is reinventing himself, and running an offense that focuses on the three, thereby playing to the strength of his team. Losing is part of life, Yet how we lose is what we should focus on. Like why Coach underperforms in the tournament.
Yet it seems by some we can’t have that conversation, because we as KU fans are never to question King Self. And if we do we are lunatics.
I too want Coach on the bench, but I also don’t want to wait another 20 years for a championship either.
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If I were head coach and ultimately accountable for all facets of my program, I would be incredibly stubborn as well.
He has a system that he believes in and it works 82% of the time. And he relies upon it.
It’s his bat, his ball and his rules.
If he starts losing consistently or looses control of his team then yes let’s send him packing.
Until then he gets to do it his way.
We can cuss it. Discuss it. And say what if.
I just don’t think it appropriate to start calling for his head, given his history of excellence.
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@SoftballDad2011 Self has the magical formula …500 wins + age 52 = MAGIC. In his prime…
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I agree with you and posted pretty much the same thing a few days ago. All elite programs have a big advantage playing at home…this is why it is called home court advantage.
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If you don’t think KU play in a great conference, please tell me which conference do you consider great? Which conference has sent a higher percentage of teams to the NCAA than the Big 12, say in the last 3 years? Which conference sent 70% of its team or 60% of its team like the Big 12 did in the past two seasons? Which conference has 30% of its teams ranked in the top 6 or 50% in the top 25 on the current poll like the Big 12 does?
I know it is fashionable by the East Coast press to call the ACC or the Big 10 as the top conferences but the numbers and final conference season rankings in the last few years indicate the Big 12 is from top to bottom the top conference.
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@JayHawkFanToo I think when you take the performance of B12 in the tournament, definitely not up to par.
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The Big 12 is from top to bottom the best conference but only KU and maybe 1 or 2 other team are consistently national contenders. Other conferences such as the ACC have 3 or 4 good teams but the rest suck.
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@JayHawkFanToo Don’t disagree…guess that comes down to how you value success.
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@JayHawkFanToo KU is the only Big12 team to even get to the final four since Texas (I think) a decade ago. Sure, there are a lot of solid teams in the league, but we’re the only elite team, and heck, even our last three years, I might not (gasp, cough, choke, gag) call us elite either. ISU has been very close to helping make our league more relevant nationally, they probably get to the final four two years ago when Niang got hurt, but that’s been it.
The BIg1G and ACC are the best leagues in the country in my opinion, but that doesn’t matter because KU doesn’t play for a league, they play for a name brand, which is high, and elite, and major. It’s a name that needs no other explanation nationally when it comes to college hoops. When I tell people I went to KU they mention hoops. That’s what they know about our school, heck it’s what I know about our school.
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Good call.
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I post more when I have nothing else better to do.
I guess that EXPOSES me!
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“You don’t think I dream about coach getting the kind of talent that Duke and UK get? Oh yea, yes I do.”
I don’t want the talent they get.
If you have 9 friggin’ McDs AAs on your roster and you can win a NC… in my book… you are the laughing stock of the universe!
If we load up like that, then we better win it all…
What pisses me off is that we don’t develop players like we should.
It has taken Perry 4 years to start using a shot fake. That makes our program look bad.
Few of our guys know how to seal off for a rebound. That makes our program look bad.
Worse… we lose to teams with a lot less talent because of all of this. I find it disrespectful… to the university, to the fans, to the game. For players to not even focus on the very basics of the game, blows my mind.
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@wissoxfan83
Question: Since the Big 12 has only 10 teams what do you think the score would be if the top 5 teams and bottom 5 teams in the Big 10 or the ACC play against the corresponding top 5 and bottom 5 teams in the Big 12? I believe the Big 12 wins both series.
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@JayHawkFanToo I think it’s even with the Big1G but the ACC is pretty weak at the bottom and so the Big12 would win that. At the top, Interesting to speculate, but the Big1G just won the ACC challenge for the 7th time since 2008 or something like that. At the top, it’s a toss up.
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@drgnslayr My dad and I have been discussing this for a while now. Why is it that there are so many fundamental skills that the guys are lacking? I mean my middle school team knew how to block out on rebounds and our coach constantly reminded us to do so. Like I said in an earlier thread, I think all of this comes down to coaching.
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@wissoxfan83
As per ESPN these are the top teams for the Big 10 and the top 5 Big 12 team they would face…
Michigan State 9-0 – KU
Purdue 8-0 – ISU
Maryland 7-1 – OU
Northwestern 7-1 — WVU
Iowa 6-2 - Baylor
I personally believe that worst case the Big 12 goes 3-2 and can go 4-1.
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@JayHawkFanToo OK fine, you win.
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Harvard showed a team with solid awareness. They played well. Still not quite moving the ball or making decisions like we need to be. Also, we didn’t rebound or box out well.
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@wissoxfan83
What exactly do I win? It is not a contest, it is just a sports forum friendly discussion, right?
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To be fair I did say I thought the Big 12 was pretty good. The Big 12 gets no love as it doesn’t do very well in the tournament.
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@DoubleDD how about we beat each other up? No?
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right back at you!
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You’ll have to clarify? I’m interested.
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@DoubleDD just thinking we don’t have many easy games in conference, plus our conference tourney. We always have tough games from lower seeds, such as drawing okie state w/smart 2 years ago. Baylor last year. TT beat ISU during regular season, ksu upset us at their place, (puke)
then there’s always that TCU game. Just a thought.
