Jan 9: Post-game Roundup: KU vs OU
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@KirkIsMyHinrich : Wiggins had a quiet game but I also thought that he was hit with a lot of cheap fouls yesterday. I thought the officiating in general was pretty poor.
The biggest problem is the inconsistency of the calls from game to game and sometimes half to half.
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@truehawk93 : prepare for KSU
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@Blown I don’t think Naadir is 100%. He is moving gingerly on that ankle. He definitely isn’t planting his feet like he was pre-injury.
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@Kip_McSmithers Do you get the sense that maybe the officials ‘might’ be focused on Wiggins a bit too much? I don’t want to go there but he has some crazy coincidental calls in the last few games especially. I’d like to think that would be impossible, but we all know the officials are human. I’m going to think not and trust the officials will remain fair as their job requires…cough, cough…seriously, I’m sure they will do their job as they are expected.
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@bskeet What I liked: Selden scoring after the first two minutes of the game.
What I didn’t like: Selden scoring after the first two minutes of the game. I’m holding out hope we’ll get him back for another year or two. More games like last night, probably won’t happen.
What I liked: Scoring seemingly at will.
What I didn’t like: The other team scoring seemingly at will.
What I liked: Connor making some shots.
What I didn’t like: Connor not making some shots in the non-conf portion of the season.
What I liked: My DVR. I didn’t get home til 10:15. I’m never missing a KU game again!
What I didn’t like: My DVR, to get to bed at a decent time I watched it on FF the entire game. You get the general idea of what’s happening.
What I liked: Bill Self’s technical.
What I didn’t like: The call that led to it.
What I liked: Beating OU.
What I didn’t like: Everything having to do with OU. Kruger is a classy guy I guess but my memory of OU in the 80’s and their idiot coach and players lingers 30 years later.
What I liked: Big 12 action…Finally!
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@wissoxfan83 Clark had the game of his life. Either he tanks or OU better hope this is the beginning of a major streak for him this season. I don’t see him having another game with 30+ at all. I think he even surprised himself. He appeared to do whatever he wanted. I think he drove the lane at least 4-5 times and drew “fouls.” The refs really called it close on the OU end. Other than Clark, the rest of OU had an average game. Take out Clark’s incredible scoring night, this game is ugly. Now, can he do it again? KU brings out the best in most every team they play. I saw a lot of attitude from SDSU, especially Sheperd and Spencer all game. I saw them give Wiggins a few ‘get some’ looks. This team needs to develop an aggressive attitude going forward. They need to do what is necessary v. being nice all the time. I wanted this win for the team’s confidence, other than that, I could care less about OU. I do like Krueger and what he’s done at each of his programs. He’s done better than most, like Self, he has taken some average talent and created some competitive teams.
BTW- I heard that Self got a tech, but didn’t see why. What happened? Frannie complimented Self at half-time for getting “T’d” at the right time to fire up the team.
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@truehawk93 There was a call he didn’t like and he spontaneously erupted. With my DVR at FF, Clark looked really fast.
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Love the hustle plays. Love the diving on loose balls. Love Selden having a breakout game. Love that we can put up 90 points with Wiggins and Embiid being essentially non-factors. Love that CF gave us nice minutes.
Hate the fact that we continue to play horrific defense. In all my years of watching KU basketball I have never seen so many open shots for the other team. I know that Clark is a great player and that he put up 32 on MSU earlier this year but a lot of his shots were essentially open looks. We played pretty solid defense against SDSU so I know we are capable of elevating our level of D but for the most part this year I have really struggled to not throw my beer through the TV every game due to our defense.
Nice win on the road, though. Rock Chalk.
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I know it’s just one game, but sometimes I swear Bill Self coaches rope-a-dope style.
Despite what my eyes have told me, Self has intimated on occasion that this team does play with heart. I guess I’ve just been waiting for a pulse. Last night I saw some promising blips on the EKG, highlighted by Selden’s best springbok imitation to corral that loose ball. Unbelievable play.
While I’m sure all of you saw it, if you still have the game on DVR, watch it again. Specifically, watch the replay from the midcourt POV. In about three steps Selden goes from one side of the court to the other, seemingly dematerializing through one OU player and rematerializing on top of the ball ahead of another OU player who was just a few inches from the ball after the initial scrum. It’s one of the most amazing hustle plays I’ve seen from a KU player in all my years of watching.
Hopefully a sign of good things to come.
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@truehawk93 Clark played well, but I think it’s likely he does that again. That’s the third time this season that he has gone for 30+ (also did that against Michigan State with 32 in a loss and UT-Arlington with 31 in a win). He’s gone over 20 four other times this year. He’s a very good player.
Selden played his best basketball of the year last night. My only criticism of him is that down the stretch, with him having his best game of the year, he made himself easy to guard. His jump shot was working, so OU had to get up on him defensively, and yet he only drove to the basket twice down the stretch. I’d like to see him be even more aggressive. He’s a good enough passer that if he starts attacking the rim things will open up for the rest of the offense.
Perry had a good game last night, but I would like to see him play that way against guys his size. OU sent a bunch of 6-7 guys at him and he owned the paint. He needs to do that against teams that can send guys that are 6-8 and 6-9, too.
Wiggins pulled a no show last night. Most frustrating of all, he did so in a game where he didn’t even seem to be playing as hard as he could have. I know the foul trouble disrupted him, but I would have liked to have seen better overall effort.
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The three officials (Terry Oglesby, David Hall, and Ray Natili) last night knew Jay Bias was announcing the game. They also know that Bias is gaga over the new rules and he loves to hear himself talk. They’re also aware that John “Handcheck” Adams watches replays of games and is making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who’s naughty and nice. Or something like that. Well this made the three officials call every bat of the eyelash that could have possibly impeded the offensive player. Now the KU guys seeing how the refs from this game compared to sds game (Rick Randall, Gerry Pollard, John “I’m effing Awesome” Higgins) were whistling the new rules they had to adjust back to playing olé D or risk getting fouled up. Unfortunately they were calling it so close last night that even olé D was getting whistled. I liked how at the end when OU was trying to foul they wouldn’t call the slightest touch though. I think it confused Wiggins into that turnover.
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Did anybody else notice the bench on the Joel, Perry and Wayne loose ball play? Wayne dove on the ball and called timeout right in front of the bench. The bench erupted…except for Frank and Brannen who were sitting directly in front of the play. With their reactions, you would have thought they had just been watching grass grow. No response whatsoever when the rest of the bench just exploded after that play. You would think that those two would be two of our more emotional players and no reaction at all. It was disconcerting to watch.
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Great minds think alike. It was disconcerting and I posted almost the exact same thing on another thread earlier this AM:
“With the multiple replays they showed of Selden diving for that ball in front of the KU bench, I found myself watching the bench players reaction. I wish I had a clip of that to post for everyone to watch as it was very telling. As I recall Black, Traylor, Niko, and Tyler were all very animated and fired up as the team assembled at the bench. Wesley, Lucas, Greene, AW3, and if memory doesn’t fail me Mason (surprisingly) sat there like they were at a funeral. That was pretty disappointing - and to me seems to be an indicator of where these guys heart and head are.”
Now to be fair, I only definitely remember Green and Mason sitting there like bumps on a log.
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I had not thought of that but you theory of having Bilas call the game and the excessive foul calling certainly has merit.
As I posted in another thread if this trio would have called the KU-Georgetown game, every player would have fouled out by half time.
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@JayHawkFanToo There is another possibility.
Officials are typically given pregame information. Things to watch for, play situations, etc. It’s possible that they were told that a couple of KU’s recent games got too physical and were implored to clean this game up. Unfortunately, we won’t know that because we will never be privy to the pregame notes they get from the director of officials.
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Wiggins play was awful in the 2nd half especially in the last 5 mins. If I remember correctly he had like 3TOs in that stretch. He was having difficulty holding on to the ball.
Why did Self did not bench him? We have seen what happens when other freshmen players make a silly mistake, they warm the bench.
Is Bill Self creating a double standard? I admit that Wiggins was the #1 rate player but after watching the games he needs a lot of work. What is going through minds of Greene, AW3, Lucas, Conner etc when they repeatedly see silly mistakes/TOs from Wiggins but no reaction from their coach?
Is Bill Self afraid of the negative publicity if he were to bench Wiggins? Is he afraid of future OAD recruiting impact?
That may be the case but I feel that Wiggins must not get such a special treatment. His head must come between the shoulders otherwise he needs to be treated like other players. That will only serve him well.
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@TheCoge i saw the same. Greene atleast had a minor reaction, half-hearted clap, but Mason showed nothing and it was literallynat his feet. Perhaps ticked at playing time, but I hope they learn to be more involved in the game and back each other up.
As much as Rio complained about his playing time last year, i miss his energy and invisible cereal bowl on the bench this year.
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@AsadZ wiggins had 2 to’s for the game. I’m trusting Self on this one. Earlier there were a few times he sat him, so I don’t think he’s treating him differently. I think he’s trying to think to much, he’s 18, some crappy fouls being called on him and I think he wants to be a team guy. For his own sake and the team, I want him to figure this out. He picked Kansas for a reason, and he’s got my respect for that alone!
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@truehawk93 I believe that Clark had 30 against Michigan State.
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@AsadZ I hear what you are saying. I think there is, to an extent a double standard. Self has sat Wiggins before, though, when other combinations are working better.
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I miss his energy and invisible cereal bowl on the bench this year.
Just for you @FarSideHawk
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By far, this, is the play of the year.
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@wrwlumpy - A+!
I totally agree! I’ll take it over our best dunk anyday!
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@wrwlumpy I didn’t initially appreciate the amount of ground Selden covered to get to that ball. That’s an incredible effort play. He goes from being nowhere near the play to making the play. I bet Coach Self had that on a running loop in the film session.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I have respect for all players who sign with KU, including Merv Lindsy, Anderson, Wesley’s of the world and not just OADs. My point is that Wiggins has no leash which is not good for Wiggins and the whole team. He is on a different planet and needs to be brought back to earth.
His play was atrocious in the 2nd half especially in the last 5 mins, critical time. He kept making stupid mistakes but he was not benched. Could you imagine any other player freshmen getting such a treatment? I have not see it. So why with Wiggins? Because of all the hype he came with, The Next Lebron?
