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  • @DCHawker

    I’m a huge Izzo fan. I often clashed with Calhoun and Pitino, but I respect those guys.

    I really didn’t know that K had so much talent on his team, competing with Kentucky. I still think he is one of the best, but I put the guys who make the most out of little on my top shelf!

    “I would put Self is similar company - KU has had good talent, but not really top tier…”

    I’m with you. I’m currently a bit confused with Self, however. I guess we’ll just try to be one of those teams with 9 McDs AAs. I’d rather see us with only a few mixed in with juniors and seniors who have been coached up. Sometimes lately, it seems our coaches are caught up a little too much into the HS ranking system. They seem to turn away from guys who aren’t ranked up even though they have the most upside. I’d rather have more of those guys that are carrying their own chip. Otherwise… we always go down to teams like WSU because their guys are all “chipped up.”



  • @drgnslayr agree with all you’re saying about Kentucky and Calipari, but just wanted to say that Ashley Judd was at the game. They showed her in the first half when Kentucky came back and tied the game. Not sure if they showed her in the second half. I went to bed after the first half and got the pleasant surprise when I woke up in the middle of the night and checked the news. 😄



  • @approxinfinity There are some around here who would look at how Dekker graded out and think HCBS was an idiot for recruiting him.

    Wt:215 lbs Shooting:Good Rebounding:Developing Handle:Good Passing:Good Strength:Developing

    But I’m with you. I can think of 3 starters I’d trade for Dekker and The Tank.



  • @FarSideHawk

    Guess I missed her. In the Sweet 16 weekend they showed her every 15 seconds.

    Think she’s just a diehard basketball fan and since she already bought the Finals tickets will show up for the Finals?

    hahaheheeeee… I seriously doubt it!

    I’d pay $10,000 for her Finals tickets if she signed them! Just for a laugh in my man cave!



  • @Hawk8086

    I have always been on the side that thinks a very good, experienced upperclassman will outperform an inexperienced McD just about every time. I would prefer to have experienced upperclassmen but I am also a realist and understand that the college scene has now changed, and not necessarily for the better, and teams with upper classmen able to compete at the next level is nowadays the exception rather than the rule.



  • @drgnslayr I refuse to give the squid credit for recruiting. I will swear up and down until the grave that he is doing something illegal, at very least highly questionable.

    I also find it highly irritating that he even got selected for the HOF. Sure he has been a coach for x amount of years required and been to x amount of final fours and gotten a ring. BUT he had 2 full seasons of wins vacated with UMASS and Memphis. That should count against him. No, that should disqualify him from even being considered for the Coaching HOF.

    I live 3 hours from Springfield Mass. I am highly tempted to make that drive on 9/11/15 to be there when he gets inducted and be " the unknown heckler "



  • Except Josh Gasser and Jordan Hill who doesn’t play, all of Wisconsins players come from within a 300 miles radius of the school. 8 of their players are from Wisconsin. It has been 41 years since they have been in the championship game. When the star’s align, they align.



  • Bo Ryan’s coaching career before 2000. Most of it was spent coming to KC for the NAIA. These are the schools where talent HAS to be developed. Maybe if MU doesn’t Bail on Kim Anderson and allows him to get some 3 stars and maybe a 4 star, they might make a comeback. Of course I doubt that will ever happen.

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  • @Lulufulu

    “I also find it highly irritating that he even got selected for the HOF.”

    I feel the same way as does at least half the D1 fans in this country.

    But his name can be vacated from the HOF just like his past seasons. Didn’t Pete Rose get tossed from the baseball HOF?



  • @drgnslayr Nope. Pete never was eligible to be elected. I never was a fan of Pete, but he had a great career. And, if they allow players who used PEDs to be inducted, Pete ought to be inducted too. PEDs were a far worse blight on baseball than anything Pete ever did.



  • @Wigs2 The players who used PEDs put a lot of butts in the seats in the 1990s and gave the sportswriters who vote a lot to write about. Since butts=$ MLB looked the other way and still does.



  • @Wigs2

    I totally agree… PEDs destroyed baseball and the record book.

    Now it is hard to go backwards and cleanse the records. What records should count, what records shouldn’t count?

    @sfbahawk

    The problem is MLB has lost credibility. If a player suddenly kicks butt because he made a huge performance break through then everyone will question it, and should.



  • What is the policy at Kansas concerning PEDs?

    Do all our guys get tested regularly? Anyone know?

    I’ve heard the testing can be quite expensive because there are ways of hiding some of these substances in the system.



  • @drgnslayr NO idea. Good question though. Worth looking in to. But, something tells me the basketball program has nothing to worry about. Traylor seemed to be bigger last season. Cliff was less of himself than he was at the start of the season. Perry, stayed the same.

    SVI actually gained size I thought. That photo that Hudy posted of him, he looked ripped and he was a skinny twig when he got to KU. But that was hard work, its doubtful there was anything illegal used with Svi’s gains.

    Of course, I cant speak for any of the other sports because I know absolutely nothing about them.



  • @drgnslayr In the 70’s I can remember getting tested early in the track season-but that seemed left to chance concerning the timing. I also remember giving a sample at the Big Eight Championships.

    I know they’ve tested both my kids in school and I am happy about that-because the kids know they will be tested I’m sure it will help stop some kids who would cheat if they could.

    So my guess is they test these college athletes at least a couple of times including March.



  • @Lulufulu Svi is still growing too!



  • @Crimsonorblue22 I have tweeted Svi 2 times in the last 30 days asking him to confirm his height to no avail lol. KU has him listed at 6’8" but who really knows now that measurement was taken months ago?



  • @Statmachine just thought on the court he looks like he’s filling out nicely.💪



  • @JayhawkRock78

    Your kids were tested for PEDs or for recreational drugs? I am of the opinion that the testing gets quite expensive to adequately test for PEDs.



  • @drgnslayr We were told they would be tested for PED’s, and I didn’t hear about anyone who tested positive. I suppose that could have happened, and it was handled quietly. They told us everyone would get tested but for all I know they only ran a small percentage?

    I will say there is a HUGE emphasis at our school for scholastic performance and most kids know they won’t be playing DIV 1 sports in college. They study hard, and go to practice. I SELDOM see or hear about this kids putting in the extra effort many of us put in on our time to compete at a higher level athletically. That said, we didn’t have year round AAU sports either.

    I am not so naïve to think there isn’t some drinking and recreational drugs involved with some of the kids but again it could be something that was handled quietly if they were caught? I don’t think they said anything about testing for that. but I would have been okay with it.

    You mentioned expense: Here is a story about Texas testing/expense/cheaters/etc.

    http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/12520595/texas-appears-ready-defund-high-school-steroids-testing-program

    I’ve been on my soapbox here about cheating before. While I hate cheating, I was very happy this program could reduce the pressure to use PED’s and keep kids clean- because they can ruin themselves. Someone I know got leukemia and died from it way back when. I never made the connection but one day at a reunion I found out the deceased blamed steroid use. I never knew he used them until then.



  • Just wanted to add an example of PED’s limitations.

    I knew a great kid at KU-had a thin frame and not much testosterone, and not much speed. But he loved hanging around athletes. He started working out without much progress at first, but within two years looked like a freak. It never did anything for his speed and little for his agility. He tried to walk-on at KU for football and didn’t make it.
    I think the coaches protected him and KU both.



  • With the advent of HGH, only the uninformed get caught cheating with steroids. You need pretty sophisticated testing to catch the new flavors of HGH and the cost is extremely high and even Olympics-like labs cannot catch all the cheaters

    Having said that, I believe players are tested at random during Conference play and I recall Bill Self mentioning one time that one of the players was not available because he was taking the pee-in-the-cup test; I don’t have any idea what exactly they test for.



  • I don’t know if I am just working for careful companies, but I have been giving urine samples after job offers for decades. The last two they checked the temperature to make sure I didn’t carry it in.



  • @JayhawkRock78

    Many insurance companies as part of the overall umbrella policy require random testing. Once a week, or more often depending on the company size, an employe or employees are selected for random testing and they have 2 hours to report to an authorized lab. It can be a nightmare if you are traveling and have to report to a lab in a city you are not familiar within 2 hours of your plane landing…oh well. it is the society we live in…



  • @JayHawkFanToo I traveled heavily for business most of my career and had a tight schedule especially on road from 7 to 7 at a minimum. If I had to cancel a meeting scheduled because of some random test I would have exploded. I wouldn’t care if you hit me with a random test at the home office but when you schedule these things back to back and be put in a panic mode when my trips to some cities were only 2 or 3 times a year I would lose it.



  • @JayhawkRock78

    I did too but my name was not selected which would not have been a problem but one time one of our young engineers names got called while he was boarding a plane for Memphis. Back then, mid 90s, most people did not have cell phones with e-mail so we had to have the airline intercept him while deplaning and had to make arrangements for him to go straight to an approved lab. before his meeting; a royal PITA.


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