Welcome Coach to P-5 football
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Just out of words. We can only try to explain for so many weeks, Just at a loss
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Worst matchup all year for us IMO. ISU is really old and really good. We are neither
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@FarmerJayhawk lol! Defense
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Bean have 1 or 2 more years?
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I hope @tis4tim is not watching
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
Bean have 1 or 2 more years?
2 if he wants them. 2023 is my target for the big leap
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
I hope @tis4tim is not watching
I make one
littlelongslightly criticalscathing post about the team and now I’m typecast as a hater? Ugh!Mercifully I didn’t get to watch today. When I tuned in to the radio to check the score and it was 35-0 just before half I’m sort of glad I didn’t.
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@tis4tim it was painful!
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The most loyal of loyal Jayhawk fan can’t even try to defend what we are now seeing. - -We were under the presumption of getting better step by step - -Is that happening ? Sure the hell not in at least against Big 12 foe’s A person can try and sugarcoat disguise what ever you want to call it but when your constantly giving up 40-45-50 a game - - come on. How can you even think you can be competitive in as game like that ? Our offense sure the hell isn’t going to compete with those kind of numbers, not when you have to many three- & outs INT’S – let’s be real here.
Our defense just plain sucks when your giving up 90% of the time your opponent is averaging 4-5-6 if not more yards per carry & 9-15 yards per pass attempt - and THAT’S defense ? Come on be serious. I’m so tired of this program being the laughing stock of America - -it’s a joke. You can’t put a better product on the field better then that ? I don’t give a dam , you can say what you want about what I’m posting here - -I’m just calling it like it is. Our Defense just flat ass SUCKS -AGAIN
Wish there was a way we could drop the football program if this is what we put out - but we can’t. The most frustrating part is I know we can do better we have some parts - -just to bad we don’t have those vital parts at the same time. - -We get a few good pieces on the offensive side of the ball - - our Defense stinks. - -We get some good pieces of the defensive side of the ball – our offense sucks. -It’s time to quit making excuses and about wet ourselves because we get 2-3 first downs in a row - -get all excited cause we kick a field goal - -pssst please.
The thing is we are never going to see many quality recruits come here to play because you think a few quality recruits wanna come just to be blown out and laughed at and talked negatively about every weekend ? - -When those same recruits can go to even average teams and do so much better. You don’t think opposing staffs aren’t using this terrible program against us ? - -Asking recruits - -you really want to throw your College career away at a program like that where you can’t really showcase your talents ? - - Come on now I know people aren’t that thick to think otherwise ,This football program is just a wild fire burning way past out of Control now - & not getting any better - -Fact ! ! !
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@tis4tim it was painful!
I guess changing a culture is not always a linear process. There will be bumps, but I at least thought the days of getting waxed in the first half were over.
Reading the recaps, it appears we decided to play like the Chiefs recent games, turning the ball over multiple times. Unlike the Chiefs, we didn’t do anything on offense to mitigate it. Still, we need to be mistake-free to have any chance.
I agree with other posters who say we have to be flawless with the fundamentals and slow the number of possessions down to be successful right now. Unfortunately that plan requires a serviceable offensive line to allow for a competent run game. We just aren’t there yet.
I’m high on Leipold and staff and think they’re the right guys at the right time but I don’t at all envy the task in front of them. But if Snyder could get kids to Manhattan, surely we can get quality kids to Lawrence.
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@tis4tim said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@tis4tim it was painful!
I guess changing a culture is not always a linear process. There will be bumps, but I at least thought the days of getting waxed in the first half were over.
Reading the recaps, it appears we decided to play like the Chiefs recent games, turning the ball over multiple times. Unlike the Chiefs, we didn’t do anything on offense to mitigate it. Still, we need to be mistake-free to have any chance.
I agree with other posters who say we have to be flawless with the fundamentals and slow the number of possessions down to be successful right now. Unfortunately that plan requires a serviceable offensive line to allow for a competent run game. We just aren’t there yet.
I’m high on Leipold and staff and think they’re the right guys at the right time but I don’t at all envy the task in front of them. But if Snyder could get kids to Manhattan, surely we can get quality kids to Lawrence.
Bill Snyder didn’t turn KSU around in one year and he didn’t build with elite recruits. Snyder only had one winning season in his first four years and didn’t make a bowl game until year 5. KSU was 1-10 in Snyder’s first season with their lone win over a then FCS level North Texas. Snyder also had the benefit of an extra non-confernce game and didn’t have to schedule a major conference opponent like P5’s do now.
As of now KU only has 3 non conference games to schedule, 1 of which has to be against a P5 team. Maybe KU gets the 4th non-confernce game back when the league goes back to 12 teams and can schedule a couple of crappy G5 teams along with the FCS team to try and get at least 3 wins a year, but that’s not a given considering Coastal was transitioning to FBS football when those games were scheduled.
Even at Buffalo, it wasn’t until year 3 that Leipold started really getting that program going. Leipold’s system works, but it’s not an overnight process and ISU is by far the best overall team KU has played this season so far. KU has more beat downs coming their way this season. This team only has a handful of guys that would be on the two deep at any other B12 program so the talent isn’t there and Leipold won’t magically make it appear.
Next season is going to be really rough as well for Kansas, but 2023 is likely to be when we start seeing results changing on the field and KU looking consistently more competitive against B12 teams.
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Disastrous first quarter instead of disastrous third or fourth quarter. ISU kept playing like they were amped up on roids avenging KU for every basketball loss over the past 25 years.
I still like Leipold better than the last 4 coaches by far
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Fans should have realistic expectations for Leipold. He took over one of the worst CFB programs late in the year, after Spring game.
In my opinion, it will take at least 3 years to see improvement.
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@jayballer67 I can resolve your problem in two words. We suck.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
Bill Snyder didn’t turn KSU around in one year and he didn’t build with elite recruits. Snyder only had one winning season in his first four years and didn’t make a bowl game until year 5. KSU was 1-10 in Snyder’s first season with their lone win over a then FCS level North Texas. Snyder also had the benefit of an extra non-confernce game and didn’t have to schedule a major conference opponent like P5’s do now. As of now KU only has 3 non conference games to schedule, 1 of which has to be against a P5 team. Maybe KU gets the 4th non-confernce game back when the league goes back to 12 teams and can schedule a couple of crappy G5 teams along with the FCS team to try and get at least 3 wins a year, but that’s not a given considering Coastal was transitioning to FBS football when those games were scheduled. Even at Buffalo, it wasn’t until year 3 that Leipold started really getting that program going. Leipold’s system works, but it’s not an overnight process and ISU is by far the best overall team KU has played this season so far. KU has more beat downs coming their way this season. This team only has a handful of guys that would be on the two deep at any other B12 program so the talent isn’t there and Leipold won’t magically make it appear. Next season is going to be really rough as well for Kansas, but 2023 is likely to be when we start seeing results changing on the field and KU looking consistently more competitive against B12 teams.
I think we’re in agreement.
I’m not expecting to go bowling overnight but I’m at least hoping for “clean” games from our guys - minimizing penalties, ball protection, being in the right positions, etc. No, we don’t have the talent right now at all critical positions, but an old coach of mine used to say it doesn’t take any special skill to hustle.
Do those things and recruit well over the next couple of seasons and I have to believe it will eventually reflect in the win column. Even then, I think most of us would be happy with mediocrity. Going .500 on a steady basis with an 8 to 9-win season on occasion would get Leipold a statue around these parts.
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I know, I know, I know - the past is the past. But, every once in a while I like to play the what if game. What if Mangino were still the coach? What would this team/program look like?
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@nuleafjhawk said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@jayballer67 I can resolve your problem in two words. We suck.
quick way to sum it up
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@nuleafjhawk said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
I know, I know, I know - the past is the past. But, every once in a while I like to play the what if game. What if Mangino were still the coach? What would this team/program look like?
Ass terrible. He basically lost the locker room and didn’t really recruit in 09. Telling he hasn’t stuck anywhere since.
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@tis4tim said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
Bill Snyder didn’t turn KSU around in one year and he didn’t build with elite recruits. Snyder only had one winning season in his first four years and didn’t make a bowl game until year 5. KSU was 1-10 in Snyder’s first season with their lone win over a then FCS level North Texas. Snyder also had the benefit of an extra non-confernce game and didn’t have to schedule a major conference opponent like P5’s do now. As of now KU only has 3 non conference games to schedule, 1 of which has to be against a P5 team. Maybe KU gets the 4th non-confernce game back when the league goes back to 12 teams and can schedule a couple of crappy G5 teams along with the FCS team to try and get at least 3 wins a year, but that’s not a given considering Coastal was transitioning to FBS football when those games were scheduled. Even at Buffalo, it wasn’t until year 3 that Leipold started really getting that program going. Leipold’s system works, but it’s not an overnight process and ISU is by far the best overall team KU has played this season so far. KU has more beat downs coming their way this season. This team only has a handful of guys that would be on the two deep at any other B12 program so the talent isn’t there and Leipold won’t magically make it appear. Next season is going to be really rough as well for Kansas, but 2023 is likely to be when we start seeing results changing on the field and KU looking consistently more competitive against B12 teams.
I think we’re in agreement.
I’m not expecting to go bowling overnight but I’m at least hoping for “clean” games from our guys - minimizing penalties, ball protection, being in the right positions, etc. No, we don’t have the talent right now at all critical positions, but an old coach of mine used to say it doesn’t take any special skill to hustle.
Do those things and recruit well over the next couple of seasons and I have to believe it will eventually reflect in the win column. Even then, I think most of us would be happy with mediocrity. Going .500 on a steady basis with an 8 to 9-win season on occasion would get Leipold a statue around these parts.
The little things you’re talking about don’t happen overnight. Leipold and staff did not have a spring to install their system and way of doing things. Fall practice is when that installation happened and it’s obvious this team and staff are still learning. Knowing formations, QB’s going through progressions, receivers learning the route trees, these are things that can vary from coach to coach and it takes time to learn these things and get quality reps.
The only thing you said that shouldn’t be a problem is ball security. The fumbles that have happened, particularly against ISU were careless and preventable. Most of the other stuff you mentioned comes down to a lack of experience within the new systems in place and there will be growing pains this year. Progression this year will be those types of errors happening with less frequency by November.
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things that people say are going to take time true. BUT this team will not ever get into a pissing contest at trying to outscore the other team. That’s what they are having or try having to do - -little lone learning things that take time.
This defense if that’s what you wanna call it - -is a Disaster - comes from 2 things I can see that thinks is perfectly obvious. - -Age/experience - -and then difference in talent. Like I said when your defense is giving up on a consistent basis of 35-40-50 points a game - -here is a quick answer your NOT gonna win very many of those types of contest. We get 3 and outs - -Int’s - Fumbles or what ever we settle for Fg while the others aere having a track meet up and down the field averaging 5-6 yards maybe at time 7 yards pre attempt - -12-15 yards per att when they throw - -the defense is just horrible. Oh sure once in awhile they will get maybe a TFL only to follow it up the next play by giving up big chunk yards.
Until we can get this dam defense fixed it isn’t gonna matter how much they learn on the offensive side of the ball. - This team is NOT going to outscore another team in a offensive slugfest
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@FarmerJayhawk Really? Didn’t we go to a bowl game 4 times under him?
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@nuleafjhawk yes, we did. But things were BAD at the end. Lost 7 straight and there were pretty significant locker room issues. The trajectory was very bad. The same issues plagued him afterword which is why after ISU canned him nobody has given him the time of day. KU was right to let him walk. Perkins et al’s decisions later are another discussion
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Question, what exactly happened with Miles? I mean, he was here what two or three years? I never really dove into it too much.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
The little things you’re talking about don’t happen overnight. Leipold and staff did not have a spring to install their system and way of doing things. Fall practice is when that installation happened and it’s obvious this team and staff are still learning. Knowing formations, QB’s going through progressions, receivers learning the route trees, these are things that can vary from coach to coach and it takes time to learn these things and get quality reps. The only thing you said that shouldn’t be a problem is ball security. The fumbles that have happened, particularly against ISU were careless and preventable. Most of the other stuff you mentioned comes down to a lack of experience within the new systems in place and there will be growing pains this year. Progression this year will be those types of errors happening with less frequency by November.
I concur.
I had another instructor who always said “be brilliant in the basics”. Without a lock on the fundamentals it’s really difficult to advance in just about anything.
But, I’m also interested in the “other stuff”. How much time are they putting in to studying the playbook outside of practice? Are they hitting the weight room and conditioning like they should? Are they getting enough rest? Are they eating right? I know they are college kids and should enjoy their time at that age, but if one wants to be a premier D-1 athlete, every individual must ask himself if he is willing to put in the time and the sweat and the sacrifice to get better. One has to be mentally tough as well as physically tough to play this game. I just don’t know where this team is on either front.
Appreciate your insights.
