KU vs ISU - Chat Here
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That may be the worst defense ive seen in the Self era
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@approxinfinity I’ve been following that game tonight. He was really on fire.
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Why isn’t Cliff playing over Lucas? Defense?
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Knew we were likely to lose 3 big 12 games on the road this year.
I think we beat ourselves with stupid mistakes-haven’t reviewed the stats but my gut tells me pathetic transition defense and then zero perimeter defense. Also zero FT’s in a HALF.???
Self pointed it out to the ref late in the first half-me thinks ISU got some extra help to add to stupid young player mistakes-and Selden charge in the end—you can’t pull up??? You are the new bad Tyshawn.
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They had to get 30 points on basically uncontested layups.
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@cragarhawk no hustle, not finding ball, out toughed, no fouls called.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think Self must have gotten mad at him after a couple of bad defensive lapses
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@cragarhawk just can’t think Lucas is better.
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BG is big time in dog house!
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@Crimsonorblue22 No. Hes not. But thats Self for ya. Make an example out of Cliff. Im not saying its wrong. But honestly it has to be that. Cliff was 3 of 3 from the floor. So it wasnt offense
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@Crimsonorblue22 BG should be. He played like it was his first day
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Lucas had 26 minutes tonight. 0 pts. 2 ast. 4 pf. I don’t think Svi could have done much worse. And at least it would be experience for someone who might be helpful in the future.
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Actually im starting to believe the rumors/hear say about Svi being homesick and maybe leaving after this year. I hope im wrong. But he just looks like something is wrong. Looks out of sinc and like he isnt having any fun even when hes on the floor
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Post game Self said he didn’t like cliffs motor.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Why do women eat ice cream when they’re po’d, mad, upset …? I just had a big bowl and didn’t make me feel better. In fact had a big ol brain freeze.
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@brooksmd ha ha!!! I’ve been battling a migraine, good now! No ice cream for me. So upset w/our effort tonight. Think we got some pouters on the bench, maybe posters can’t see.
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@brooksmd you better stick to drinking!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Well that may be true. But I don’t have anything equal to the effort on the court tonite. Not gonna waste the good stuff on this one.
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@brooksmd so how does Self get these guys to put out more effort? Even oubre wasn’t hustling either.
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I’d embarrass them. There were several times I would’ve pull the whole starting 5 and used walk-ons. At least you’d have guys on the floor with desire.
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@brooksmd I heard BG threw a big fit when he was pulled last game. He didn’t get off the bench at time outs and was talking crap, coach Howard had to “talk” to him. Couldn’t see this on tv. I was surprised that coach gave him a shot tonight. That kid could really help the team, needs an attitude adjustment.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t know where his head is. I figured his time was short when he wasn’t watching when Frank passed to him bringing across center court.
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@brooksmd I’m sure you are right. Watch the bench next game. Self said Perry got in foul trouble trying to cover for 2 guys that didn’t guard their guys.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’m gonna re-watch this one and keep an eye on the bench. Perry got beat-up several times with no fouls called.
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@brooksmd they sure shot a lot more throws than us! Those charges!!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Just hope they get it together for Mon night.
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@brooksmd OU looked really good today against osu. Texas looked good too. We have to play up to our talent.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Which talent is that?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Didn’t get to see any other games as I was working at the shooting range today.
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@brooksmd at least Perry got his mojo back.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Unfortunately we’ve seen mojo come and go this year. And I don’t mean just Perry, but seems like everyone but Mason. That’s what we need is 4 more Mason energy players.
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@brooksmd we have to have more from Cliff!!
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The comment about Perry getting fouls covering for guys that didn’t guard looked obvious to me. The last two fouls that Perry committed-- especially the 5th foul-- he appeared to be purposeful as to say “see-- your man drove to the basket and now I have to foul.”
The film for this game will be particularly instructive, provided the coaches can keep from exploding as they watch it.
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@bskeet coach was talking first half, but yeah that could be true too.
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Here’s something to ponder from the box score: Only three Jayhawks shot free-throws: Mason, Graham and Ellis.
Selden (5 for 11), Oubre (5-15), Traylor (0-5), Lucas (0-0) Alexander (3-3) – were never fouled on a shot attempt (according to the refs.).
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@bskeet The refs were really bad. That being said, congrats to Hoiberg and his kids for playing a good game, and the fans for not being awful. When Frank got cramps, the boos seemed almost of singular origin, and the majority went to a “lets go cyclones” chant. It’s really impressive what Hoiberg has assembled with his transfers / recruits. That McKay kid is a beast; so is Dejean-Jones. Fred seems to be getting maximum output out of all his guys and we should have a real rivalry for the forseeable future (not a rivalry in name only like the last decade we had Mizzou).
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@approxinfinity Until NBA $$$ get him to the L.
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@approxinfinity I agree… Not blaming this on the refs. I felt like we were lucky that it was as close as it was.
ISU deserved to win, given the way we played. I think we gave away more than 10 points. I like to think that bodes well for the rematch in Lawrence.
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@bskeet Oh yah, we will get payback in Lawrence. It will happen.
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He was an assistant coach in the NBA and moved to a front office job because of his health situation. I am afraid that the long NBA season and the huge egos in the League are more than he needs health-wise. He has sweet deal at ISU and I don’t see him leaving any time soon.
