Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD Tell me more about that. I don’t think I’m following.
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Well for one south Korea is a small state compared to United States of America. The populations don’t even compare. Second this virus started in this part of the world they’ve had a bit of a Headstart on the rest of the world. That’s China trying to keep the lid on this as long as They could. Notice how in that part of the world the numbers of infected are going down yet in the rest of the world they’re going up? What is it because they are smarter? If china was so damn smart then why do they steal everybody else’s technology and research? Sadly I’m hearing and reading now that the Chinese want to withhold drugs to the rest of the world mainly United States that could circumvent this virus.
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Yet again hearsay
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On a promising note the supreme ruler of China who is not elected has promised Trump Who can be elected out of office. That is not the case.
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I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N
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@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.
FRED is amazing
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877
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some narratives just don’t change, when there is to much evidence and agreement that it is indeed true.
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This factoid made me go hmm… “The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China.”
Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, “we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese” is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?
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And not to absolve the WHO on this, who peddled Chinese propaganda. https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
And not to absolve the WHO on this, who peddled Chinese propaganda. https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20
Complicit.
I bet the real Chinese death toll for this is in the millions.
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This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.
My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.
Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can’t be with her either.
Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it’s like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can’t be there , can’t be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This factoid made me go hmm… “The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China.”
Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, “we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese” is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?
Nah we should just allow a foreign country to run roughshod over us. Just let them do as they wish. As for the point on medicine the Proof is in the details. It’s Easy to throw out a graph and say see we manufacture medicine. Yet when we get in the details of what kind of medicines that are actually made then it’s a game changer.
These are facts That cannot be denied or ignored. Somebody was asleep at the wheel and it wasn’t the current President.
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Post the proof then.
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Nah, that didn’t pass the sniff test. From a Republican shill site. If it was in the second link I couldn’t read that one.
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Ny times is hardly a rep site. Google it, and pick the site that is more to your liking. I’m not spouting new news here. It’s common knowledge. There are articles dating back as early as 08.
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I was talking about the first one. The NYTimes I couldn’t read as stated. Some kind of splash page and I’m not going to give them info to read.
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Not my problem. I posted two different sites, to show it’s not a hoax claim. Not much more I can do.
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@jayballer73 oh my god. I don’t know what to say to you. I’m am so sorry. Hopefully her boyfriend can be with her soon.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 oh my god. I don’t know what to say to you. I’m am so sorry. Hopefully her boyfriend can be with her soon.
Thanks appreciate it - - just waiting to hear SOMETHING appreciate it for sure
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.
My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.
Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can’t be with her either.
Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it’s like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can’t be there , can’t be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT
Jesus. Hopefully everything turns out ok!!
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This factoid made me go hmm… “The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China.”
Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, “we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese” is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?
Nah we should just allow a foreign country to run roughshod over us. Just let them do as they wish. As for the point on medicine the Proof is in the details. It’s Easy to throw out a graph and say see we manufacture medicine. Yet when we get in the details of what kind of medicines that are actually made then it’s a game changer.
These are facts That cannot be denied or ignored. Somebody was asleep at the wheel and it wasn’t the current President.
I mean, you said we didn’t, which is objectively wrong. We also haven’t seen any major supply chain disruptions. You’re right, POTUS hasn’t been asleep at the wheel. He’s been drunk driving the car into a tree.
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@jayballer73 I hope everything goes well in surgery. Will be thinking about you guys.
I guess the silver lining is that this happened now if the hospitals get overwhelmed later you’ll already be in the clear.
Wishing you well.
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@BShark https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/china-s-hidden-symptom-free-virus-cases-means-epidemic-not-over
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.
My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.
Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can’t be with her either.
Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it’s like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can’t be there , can’t be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT
Jesus. Hopefully everything turns out ok!!
Thank you my friend. Still waiting to hear something , just only thing we can do is keep our fingers crossed and Pray - thank you so much
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 I hope everything goes well in surgery. Will be thinking about you guys.
I guess the silver lining is that this happened now if the hospitals get overwhelmed later you’ll already be in the clear.
Wishing you well.
Thank you appreciate your thoughts - all hoping for the best
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@jayballer73 throwing up some prayers for you and your family
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@FarmerJayhawk im starting to get this feeling You don’t even read what I post. You just see my name and form assumptions. To bad just like somebody that posts on here.
Please explain to me how it’s the current presidents fault that a mighty nation like the US has become so reliant on a communist country for their much needed medicines. A point you have yet to disprove. I mean I do appreciate you playing the semantics card but the truth is United States of America is reliant on China for key medicines. Yes you’re right at this point the supply chain has not been disrupted. But who’s to say it will stay that way. The point that I was trying to make if you would have read my post.
It appears to me that You’re not a true libertarian. A true libertarian will sit down and debate the facts of the situation. I’m sorry but from what I can see you’re nothing but a Trump hater. You want to blame him for everything even when it’s not his fault. I’m willing to bet you blame the Republican Party for this fiasco of trying to pass a stimulus package for the coronavirus epidemic. All the while ignoring that the Dems and Nancy Pelosi tried putting in all this other stuff I mean like $45 million for the Kennedy Center. Nothing like a party trying to take advantage of the American people in trying times.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk im starting to get this feeling You don’t even read what I post. You just see my name and form assumptions. To bad just like somebody that posts on here.
Please explain to me how it’s the current presidents fault that a mighty nation like the US has become so reliant on a communist country for their much needed medicines. A point you have yet to disprove. I mean I do appreciate you playing the semantics card but the truth is United States of America is reliant on China for key medicines. Yes you’re right at this point the supply chain has not been disrupted. But who’s to say it will stay that way. The point that I was trying to make if you would have read my post.
It appears to me that You’re not a true libertarian. A true libertarian will sit down and debate the facts of the situation. I’m sorry but from what I can see you’re nothing but a Trump hater. You want to blame him for everything even when it’s not his fault. I’m willing to bet you blame the Republican Party for this fiasco of trying to pass a stimulus package for the coronavirus epidemic. All the while ignoring that the Dems and Nancy Pelosi tried putting in all this other stuff I mean like $45 million for the Kennedy whatever. Nothing like a party trying to take advantage of the American people in trying times.
That feeling is mutual. Like in this very thread I blamed Speaker Pelosi and Senate Democrats for the stimulus holdup. Your point was “the US has no capability to make medicine.” If that was not your point, just say so. I can’t debate what you MEANT to say after I refuted your original post.
I never said that either. I said he’s made the problem worse with the trade war, which they’ve basically admitted in deferring tariffs for the next 90 days. If they’re helping the economy (in which case why pause?) and the Chinese pay them (again, why would we not bring in the revenue?) what are accomplishing by starting the damn trade war in the first place? Production hasn’t come back to the U.S., and the tariffs have made it more difficult to access global supply chains.
Libertarians believe in free trade, free markets, and free people. Trump believes in none of those things, so if it feels like I’m constantly disagreeing with his policy decisions, that’s probably why. I don’t like tariffs (Trump LOVES them), I don’t like most immigration restrictions (Trump hired Stephen Miller. 'nuff said there.) I don’t like huge deficits other than in times of emergency (Trump is the self-proclaimed King of Debt. Hmmm…) I don’t like regulations. His CDC and FDA kept private labs from testing for COVID to “keep the numbers low.” I VEHEMENTLY disagree with his proposal to “get the country running by Easter.” That’s dangerous and thousands will die unnecessarily.
It’s not personal with Trump and I. I’ve never met him and likely won’t. I just disagree with many things he’s done. Yes, he’s called me human scum and that’s fine. I’ve been called a lot worse during met times in politics. I just don’t have much higher of an opinion that that of him.
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Well to be fair the trade war was in place before the coronavirus epidemic. The problem with the free trade theroy. Is that the Chinese government was taking advantage of US trade policies as many other countries like Mexico and Canada. Unfair trade practices does not equal fair trade. You have to have a balance we’re both countries/nations benefit or it’s not fair. I do not condemn anybody for disliking Trump. However when one person becomes a source of everything that is wrong in this government and the world? Then I just tune out. What’s the point? It’s like saying Obama was to blame for everything that happened while he was in office, or Bill Clinton is to blame for everything that went wrong with NAFTA. I read his autobiography, actually was good read.
As for a politician Calling voters names. That goes both ways my friend. Remember the deplorable’s? I mean hell being a republican or conservative you’re basically called a racist, homophobe, sexist, and whatever. No matter what the issue is. All I can tell you is when I post I try be as truthful as my knowledge will allow me to be.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well to be fair the trade war was in place before the coronavirus epidemic. The problem with the free trade theroy. Is that the Chinese government was taking advantage of US trade policies as many other countries like Mexico and Canada. Unfair trade practices does not equal fair trade. You have to have a balance we’re both countries/nations benefit or it’s not fair. I do not condemn anybody for disliking Trump. However when one person becomes a source of everything that is wrong in this government and the world? Then I just tune out. What’s the point? It’s like saying Obama was to blame for everything that happened while he was in office, or Bill Clinton is to blame for everything that went wrong with NAFTA. I read his autobiography, actually was good read.
As for a politician Calling voters names. That goes both ways my friend. Remember the deplorable’s? I mean hell being a republican or conservative you’re basically called a racist, homophobe, sexist, and whatever. No matter what the issue is. All I can tell you is when I post I try be as truthful as my knowledge will allow me to be.
The issue is we WERE benefitting from things like China in the WTO and NAFTA. Protectionism just doesn’t work. https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-819-updated.pdf https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/trade-war-chicken.pdf https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/files/2019086pap.pdf
I’ve never said Trump was the source of everything wrong with government. I have a big ass laundry list there with both R’s and D’s. But it’s boring (to most people) stuff like the non-delegation doctrine and the size of the U.S. House.
Yeah, it’s crap whoever does it. First rule of politics is don’t insult voters. I didn’t vote for either of them in 2016.
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All I can say on the protectionism. Yea I get it, but what we were doing wasn’t working either. Something had to be done. We can’t just keep kicking the can down the road.
I think where Trump went wrong is creating a war with the media. It doesn’t help him trying to get his agenda done. Like trying to fix our trade deals. Without the support it becomes just a trade war, and why it was needed gets lost.
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Also if one country isn’t abiding by the trade deal? Is it really a trade deal anymore?
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Well… I’m pretty convinced that we are in a cold war with China and have been for quite awhile… It’s escalating now with the rhetoric and the ejection of journalists.
Covid-19 is a particularly ironic Chinese export given it’s distinction as a ‘novel’ virus and the fact that China was historically known for and benefited from its ability to copy the original work of others.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
I didn’t ignore this… I just don’t follow it. But given that the conversation was 24 hours ago… maybe we just let pass. There was a bunch of stuff I didn’t grok in the back and forth that followed.
Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy.
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WE HAVE A DEAL FAM https://twitter.com/chadpergram/status/1242680634071494656?s=21
P.S. Chad is a must follow for Hill action. Always gives it straight, never his opinion. Has great taste in wine too according to my former boss
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 throwing up some prayers for you and your family
Thank you I appreciate that
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Just updating for my friends that gave thoughts for my situation. - - Daughter made it out ok, the cyst had ruptured , but was able to save the ovary. - Seems to be doing ok, just really sore just going to take time down flat for some days - -was a LONG NIGHT didn’t hear anything till late, but Thank God sounds like she will be ok, probably going to send the cyst off for Biopsy fingers crossed. Thanks to everyone. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Whew! Glad to hear it came out ok.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Whew! Glad to hear it came out ok.
ya that makes tree of us buddy thanks
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@jayballer73 that’s a tough situation, especially while being quarantined. We are all with you buddy.
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Great news @jayballer73
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Watching Cuomo presser. Wow where has this Cuomo been? Very much in control, strong language, trying to unite, and not blaming Trump for everything. Can he steal them Dem ticket?
