Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Could you imagine if we adopt UBI (already being pitched around as Mit Romney’s idea), it works well, and becomes part of the Republican platform? @FarmerJayhawk could this actually happen?
Oh it’s happening. Sec. Mnuchin is telling Senators we need something like at least $1 trillion in stimulus or we could face 20% unemployment.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party. No matter how good it could be for the country.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
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Those are facts
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.
Well he’s not done yet. Those are facts.
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Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.
I NEVER WAS
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Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.
Yep. The farmers quoted there are flat wrong on the issue.
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Okay lol
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I’ll give Cheeto Jesus’s administration credit on the stimulus. Mnuchin looks serious about getting this right, where the Obama crew blew the 09 stimulus. Needs to be at BARE MINIMUM $1 trillion and needs to be out the door in the next couple weeks. Now isn’t the time to get fussy about the deficit. That was 2 years ago.
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@DoubleDD here’s one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn’t load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388
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My friend I don’t won’t to disrespect you. So I’m thinking I’m going to drop it for a little bit. Every person is right in their own mind. Even I. The Goal is not to make enemies, but to find common ground. I totally understand why some hate Trump. He’s a hard guy to like. A very arrogant, or asshole as @approxinfinity said. Me personally I wish he would just shave that hair doo. I just find it so mind numbing when a person or poster wants to trash our current president yet act like their person or party is un reproachable. To blame one president for every thing that goes bad is not realistic.
When Obama first ran as president I couldn’t vote for him as I thought he was to young and lacked experience. I was called a racist. I voted for him in his second term as I thought he was by far the better candidate. I was called a traitor. I feel no president is to blamed for everything. Well except Nixon. What he did was bad. Very much needed to be impeached. Anyways I going to step away for a bit. May the debate carry on.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD here’s one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn’t load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388
It’s called politics bubba
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I think the only virus that could be more concerning than Covid-19 is the virus of delusion, which seems to have spread from Trump to a significant population. The symptoms are making excuses, dismissing evidence and creating alternative narratives to justify his actions.
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What if UBI saved the Republican Party from its current dystopian state? What if it works so well that the economy rebounds and centrists like Romney adopt it as their permanent platform, after he gets reelected. What if we come out the other side of this with a strengthened centrist faction of the Republican Party, willing to negotiate and put the country first, with an economic agenda that appeals to the middle? What if they even campaign against Trump in the election… AND WIN??? I’m just dreaming. It’s a beautiful dream.
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Ran across this. Don’t know how true. So take it with a grain of salt, but I thought I would share.
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Dam just heard something with this that I hadn’t really even given thought to.
See we all have heard and seen about how people just going insane grabbing things from the stores & how they haven’t been able to keeps things stocked.
Heard something within the last 5 minutes kind of scares me - bluntly honest. [ Something else they can’t keep stocked now. - -and that is : - -GUNS & AMMUNITION holy shit hadn’t even begin to think of something like this.
People talking about if and when we go into Martial law which I too like these others feel yes MARTIAL law is coming. - -but they are talking about people afraid if people can’t get to food or the stores don’t have food , then people going to start breaking into houses and robbing stealing foods. - innerviewing people said that just looking to protect their families - - that scary hadn’t thought about that yet.
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Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html
And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.
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You need to go out and get groceries early in the morning. I’ve got a consolidated trip tomorrow morning. Groceries then my dental appointment.
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@BShark I had success last week with a late night run and over the weekend mid day at the Asian market. Racism of others helped me get good groceries.
To be fair I haven’t tried this week so I don’t know the current state of things. I usually buy groceries for a week at a time. And am guilty of over the weekend probably getting 2 weeks instead of one.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html
And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.
Buddy look I can’t help if people don’t like what 'm having to say about this situation. Look I’m not going to be another person that wants to stick their head in an hole like Some dam Ostrich , and try to ignore reality, stick your head in their take your phone with you and wait for someone to call and say it’s ok to come out now.
Look in case you aren’t aware that bottom line these are things that our society has now become, and if you can’t see or just want to accept that things like this can an do happen in these type situations then buddy I am truly sorry for you T he one thing I WON’T allow is for some one to come back and ty to talk to me as some child an scold me for something I post - -come on it’s 2020 man not 19- - something this is life - -this is what w have become unfortuntly at times like this.
Whether you want to hear it or not - IT’S HERE. - Really tired whenI post thing people always so always so quick in response cause oh i stepped on someone’s sensitive toes you just go ahead and try and duck things buddy and then when it happens to you can be one of those that are like - - what the hell happened where did this come from - -not me, it just stuns me when people always want to hear sugar coated things and can or won’t accept reality
And NOT your statement about things such as this is why grocery shelves are still empty - - you couldn’t be further off base as base could be. there empty cause ya people are afraid but sure the hell not because people taken pictures - -that’s past funny. - I’m still here and you can take it to the bank that yes I WILL continue to express MY FEELINGS AND OPINIONS. -so don’t bother ok? your right we do have a responsibility , but it doesn’t say we can only post happy feelings that make you feel all warm and fuzzy insie - -People have a right to know and need to know that yes there are other aspects - and some not so nice, but these times are when you suck it up and accept things for what they are.
If you want to turn away and not realize then again I truly am and feel sorry for you. If you don’t see Martial law coming them all I can say is - - - -umm , ummm , ummm so many things following right down the line in order.
!st we told that this will be over with fairly soon. no closures , little restrictions , then we see progressing , Airlines - -50 % reduction in work forces - -Govt offices closing , Retail closing then we have the President saying well maybe if we do a good job this might be done with By August/Sept - President saying we might be headed for a recession -Total shutdowns of Schools , then you see the people acting like idiots at the stores, we see Military Guard booths being placed around govt here in our area - Hospitals with Military guard stations. – Borders shut down to all Europe - - Boders Mexico not allowing AMERICANS into Mexico shutting down - -Now Northern border being shut down no Americans going into Canada - becoming total Isolation - coming really close to total shutdown Can you say MARTIAL LAW ? you still don’t see that - dam sorry, and buddy don’t shoot the messenger - just telling what the people who ARE buying these guns and ammo are talking - -talking about potecting their families. not the media again they relaying what the American Citzens are saying/thinking So please don’t come at me and try and act like I’m --never mind I’m done
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@jayballer73 wasn’t trying to criticize friend just pointing out how fear and panic spread. Didn’t mean to imply you shouldn’t share your thoughts and feelings. Just trying to think collectively right now in an individualist society. Again, nothing but love, stay safe, rock chalk buddy.
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Some interesting stats on media coverage and people’s response to the pandemic. Just stats for the most part with little commentary. Thoughts? https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1240282113938767872?s=21
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 wasn’t trying to criticize friend just pointing out how fear and panic spread. Didn’t mean to imply you shouldn’t share your thoughts and feelings. Just trying to think collectively right now in an individualist society. Again, nothing but love, stay safe, rock chalk buddy.
very trying times for me really edgy so sorry just really on edge as awaiting results myself of positive or not with my granddaughter from Wyandotte County. - need on of those big Chill Pills -ROCK CHALK
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@jayballer73 Same here man. Staying in is not as easy as just pop on Netflix and it’s all good. Really sorry if I contributed to any further anxiety for you. Not my intent.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Same here man. Staying in is not as easy as just pop on Netflix and it’s all good. Really sorry if I contributed to any further anxiety for you. Not my intent.
right back at you buddy we will get through together
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@jayballer73 good stuff. I appreciate your takes. It is good to be realistic and I think we are better able to discern reality by getting many different thoughts. Pooling our resources.
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It’s time like these where you really have to fight against the FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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Be smart. Understand the risk. Don’t panic. We’ll come out the other end. Maybe with a cough. Idk
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Be smart. Understand the risk. Don’t panic. We’ll come out the other end. Maybe with a cough. Idk
NO FARMER I NEED DRONES AND ASSAULT RIFLES FOR WHEN THE SUPPLY ENDS AND PEOPLE TRY TO SOME STEAL MY TP.
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@BShark as @bskeet said (I think) this is a game of prisoners dilemma. If the other guy goes feral then you may want to at least have a plan for that.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@BShark as @bskeet said (I think) this is a game of prisoners dilemma. If the other guy goes feral then you may want to at least have a plan for that.
It’s definitely a classic run. You see someone with a lot of TP, you might think they know something you don’t so you get more, and on it goes.
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@approxinfinity @FarmerJayhawk Yeah I’ve seen things about police no longer arresting for most crimes. I know someone that had their car stolen and the police told them “lol” basically. So definitely watch your back right now for sure.
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Boy Oh Boy, we actually have uniformed Police officers at Walmart here in Topeka standing in the aisle where the Toilet Paper , Paper Towels and such are and only allowing people two items apiece. - - lol - -how crazy is that ? – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 sad that it’s necessary
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 sad that it’s necessary
Very True
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If all the stores had the cojones to have a policy it wouldnt be necessary.
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Christ. I’ve been informed a communion assistant at my home church back home tested positive after serving communion Sunday. 28% of the county’s population is over 65.
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@FarmerJayhawk on no, that’s devastating.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk on no, that’s devastating.
Hoping it’s just one of those small town rumors. My Grandma would’ve been exposed. She’s 80. A remarkably healthy 80, but still 80.
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@FarmerJayhawk I can’t believe they were doing that!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk I can’t believe they were doing that!
More evidence people need to take this very seriously!
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Can they stream? Churches here r doing that
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My moms church couldn’t do that, nor would she know how to do it. Same as ESPN+
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My parents church did a group phone call that one of the church members set up. They just had to dial in.
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@approxinfinity any cases reported in your area?
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@DoubleDD here’s a passage from a book called “Logically Fellacious” that explains two of your commonly employed logical fallacies about the truthfulness of other posters’ comments.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Circumstantial
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association
