Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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Me personally I just don’t think the CDC was prepared to handle such an outbreak. And that is why the president and his team are changing the CDC to be better prepared in the future. Which I think is a great thing.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.
Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.
Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.
It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.
For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.
Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.
Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.
It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.
For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.
Now we both know you are full of crap. The president doesn’t apologize in less he’s being sarcastic. Lol
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@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.
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I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.
Amen
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.
Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.
Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.
It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.
For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.
Now we both know you are full of crap. The president doesn’t apologize in less he’s being sarcastic. Lol
Nah, he just makes excuses for everything. Nothing is ever his fault. Always someone else’s. Gets rid of the pandemic unit on the NSC (by his own order) and says he didn’t know anything about it. Now he’s either lying or incompetent.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.
I criticized Obama then. It’s not about D’s and R’s. I could care less. I’m assigning blame where it’s due. Ultimate blame goes with the CCP, but Trump is far from blameless here. Sometimes I think he could be saying the whole thing is a hoax and his supporters would be like “yep, my neighbor died and my mom is sick but it’s just the flu because Trump said China and Nancy Pelosi are making things up to beat him!”
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@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.
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The quarantine in Italy allowed for the capture of 'Ndrangheta mob boss Cesare Antonio Cordi.
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Russia still has COVID-19 contained I guess. Imported cases only. They are the largest country to still have it contained, unless they aren’t testing adequately.
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Could you imagine if we adopt UBI (already being pitched around as Mit Romney’s idea), it works well, and becomes part of the Republican platform? @FarmerJayhawk could this actually happen?
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@approxinfinity loooooooooooool
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I mean have the Republicans (or either party for that matter) ever turned away from an opportunity to hang their hat on something successful? Does it matter one shred what the platform is? Woudl they really stop something if its working well for them?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.
I criticized Obama then. It’s not about D’s and R’s. I could care less. I’m assigning blame where it’s due. Ultimate blame goes with the CCP, but Trump is far from blameless here. Sometimes I think he could be saying the whole thing is a hoax and his supporters would be like “yep, my neighbor died and my mom is sick but it’s just the flu because Trump said China and Nancy Pelosi are making things up to beat him!”
It’s about perception @FarmerJayhawk. You attack Trump and his voters. Yet it wasn’t trump that ignored the fly over country and rural America. Somehow that was your party and you are calling us Ignorant. Yet why would anybody whether it be race, color, or party affiliation get behind a party that doesn’t care about them? As the Dem party has shown.
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Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year. Distance learning plans being created now. First state to do that.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year. Distance learning plans being created now. First state to do that.
Wow
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@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
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Is that like gender neutrality?
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I don’t see any need to attack Trump voters.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Is that like gender neutrality?
It’s more like a phase that people grow out of.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
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@DoubleDD The wall
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It’s being built, so a half promise
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Bullshit campaign promises are a time honored tradition and hardly new to Trump though, one thing I would not fault him for at all.
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It’s funny you bring up the wall. When Obama was in office the Dem Party was willing to give Obama all the money he needed to build the wall. Yet when Trump became president not a dime? And he was called a racist? Talk about hypocrisy.
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Yea I’m going to get in line with a Party like the current Dems. Give me some good leadership and maybe I’ll change my opinion. Tell then yea I don’t think so.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Could you imagine if we adopt UBI (already being pitched around as Mit Romney’s idea), it works well, and becomes part of the Republican platform? @FarmerJayhawk could this actually happen?
Oh it’s happening. Sec. Mnuchin is telling Senators we need something like at least $1 trillion in stimulus or we could face 20% unemployment.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party. No matter how good it could be for the country.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
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Those are facts
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn’t have a party. Your comment isn’t really a response to the issues he raised. You’re repeating talking points. This isn’t an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is “nothing at all.”
Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.
Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.
Well he’s not done yet. Those are facts.
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Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.
I NEVER WAS
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Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.
Yep. The farmers quoted there are flat wrong on the issue.
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Okay lol
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I’ll give Cheeto Jesus’s administration credit on the stimulus. Mnuchin looks serious about getting this right, where the Obama crew blew the 09 stimulus. Needs to be at BARE MINIMUM $1 trillion and needs to be out the door in the next couple weeks. Now isn’t the time to get fussy about the deficit. That was 2 years ago.
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@DoubleDD here’s one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn’t load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388
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My friend I don’t won’t to disrespect you. So I’m thinking I’m going to drop it for a little bit. Every person is right in their own mind. Even I. The Goal is not to make enemies, but to find common ground. I totally understand why some hate Trump. He’s a hard guy to like. A very arrogant, or asshole as @approxinfinity said. Me personally I wish he would just shave that hair doo. I just find it so mind numbing when a person or poster wants to trash our current president yet act like their person or party is un reproachable. To blame one president for every thing that goes bad is not realistic.
When Obama first ran as president I couldn’t vote for him as I thought he was to young and lacked experience. I was called a racist. I voted for him in his second term as I thought he was by far the better candidate. I was called a traitor. I feel no president is to blamed for everything. Well except Nixon. What he did was bad. Very much needed to be impeached. Anyways I going to step away for a bit. May the debate carry on.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD here’s one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn’t load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388
It’s called politics bubba
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I think the only virus that could be more concerning than Covid-19 is the virus of delusion, which seems to have spread from Trump to a significant population. The symptoms are making excuses, dismissing evidence and creating alternative narratives to justify his actions.
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What if UBI saved the Republican Party from its current dystopian state? What if it works so well that the economy rebounds and centrists like Romney adopt it as their permanent platform, after he gets reelected. What if we come out the other side of this with a strengthened centrist faction of the Republican Party, willing to negotiate and put the country first, with an economic agenda that appeals to the middle? What if they even campaign against Trump in the election… AND WIN??? I’m just dreaming. It’s a beautiful dream.
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Ran across this. Don’t know how true. So take it with a grain of salt, but I thought I would share.
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Dam just heard something with this that I hadn’t really even given thought to.
See we all have heard and seen about how people just going insane grabbing things from the stores & how they haven’t been able to keeps things stocked.
Heard something within the last 5 minutes kind of scares me - bluntly honest. [ Something else they can’t keep stocked now. - -and that is : - -GUNS & AMMUNITION holy shit hadn’t even begin to think of something like this.
People talking about if and when we go into Martial law which I too like these others feel yes MARTIAL law is coming. - -but they are talking about people afraid if people can’t get to food or the stores don’t have food , then people going to start breaking into houses and robbing stealing foods. - innerviewing people said that just looking to protect their families - - that scary hadn’t thought about that yet.
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Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html
And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.
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You need to go out and get groceries early in the morning. I’ve got a consolidated trip tomorrow morning. Groceries then my dental appointment.
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@BShark I had success last week with a late night run and over the weekend mid day at the Asian market. Racism of others helped me get good groceries.
To be fair I haven’t tried this week so I don’t know the current state of things. I usually buy groceries for a week at a time. And am guilty of over the weekend probably getting 2 weeks instead of one.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html
And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.
Buddy look I can’t help if people don’t like what 'm having to say about this situation. Look I’m not going to be another person that wants to stick their head in an hole like Some dam Ostrich , and try to ignore reality, stick your head in their take your phone with you and wait for someone to call and say it’s ok to come out now.
Look in case you aren’t aware that bottom line these are things that our society has now become, and if you can’t see or just want to accept that things like this can an do happen in these type situations then buddy I am truly sorry for you T he one thing I WON’T allow is for some one to come back and ty to talk to me as some child an scold me for something I post - -come on it’s 2020 man not 19- - something this is life - -this is what w have become unfortuntly at times like this.
Whether you want to hear it or not - IT’S HERE. - Really tired whenI post thing people always so always so quick in response cause oh i stepped on someone’s sensitive toes you just go ahead and try and duck things buddy and then when it happens to you can be one of those that are like - - what the hell happened where did this come from - -not me, it just stuns me when people always want to hear sugar coated things and can or won’t accept reality
And NOT your statement about things such as this is why grocery shelves are still empty - - you couldn’t be further off base as base could be. there empty cause ya people are afraid but sure the hell not because people taken pictures - -that’s past funny. - I’m still here and you can take it to the bank that yes I WILL continue to express MY FEELINGS AND OPINIONS. -so don’t bother ok? your right we do have a responsibility , but it doesn’t say we can only post happy feelings that make you feel all warm and fuzzy insie - -People have a right to know and need to know that yes there are other aspects - and some not so nice, but these times are when you suck it up and accept things for what they are.
If you want to turn away and not realize then again I truly am and feel sorry for you. If you don’t see Martial law coming them all I can say is - - - -umm , ummm , ummm so many things following right down the line in order.
!st we told that this will be over with fairly soon. no closures , little restrictions , then we see progressing , Airlines - -50 % reduction in work forces - -Govt offices closing , Retail closing then we have the President saying well maybe if we do a good job this might be done with By August/Sept - President saying we might be headed for a recession -Total shutdowns of Schools , then you see the people acting like idiots at the stores, we see Military Guard booths being placed around govt here in our area - Hospitals with Military guard stations. – Borders shut down to all Europe - - Boders Mexico not allowing AMERICANS into Mexico shutting down - -Now Northern border being shut down no Americans going into Canada - becoming total Isolation - coming really close to total shutdown Can you say MARTIAL LAW ? you still don’t see that - dam sorry, and buddy don’t shoot the messenger - just telling what the people who ARE buying these guns and ammo are talking - -talking about potecting their families. not the media again they relaying what the American Citzens are saying/thinking So please don’t come at me and try and act like I’m --never mind I’m done
