Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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Sanders not doing well with his socialist speech, but I’m bias
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Oh one more thing @approxinfinity the violence seems to be coming from the left, not the right. I mean a person can’t even wear a maga hat these days. Good news though Biden doing better than I thought.
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But will it last
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You know here today gone tomorrow
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This should make all you happy?
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@DoubleDD actually, I thought Bernie got clobbered in this debate and that remark didn’t answer the question, which is what he would do.
That said, I agree that the Presidents response has been amateur hour narcissism and he needs to shut up and stop getting in the way of competent health professionals like Dr Fauci.
I’m glad you watched the debate. I think it’s important for Trump supporters to see with their own eyes what the other guy looks like, and not rely on someone else’s description of him.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
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@FarmerJayhawk don’t worry. He said it’s under terrific control. That must mean it is, right?
Edit: tremendous control. Got my Trumpisms mixed up. (See how when I mess up I acknowledge the mistake and try to correct it?)
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Here is an idea , can we please stop with trying the political blame game ? - -can we be mature enough for that. - this is not a time to blame - -this is a time when w need to Unite as a Nation not play the Dem & Rep he did it - - she did it - - he didn’t do it – she didn’t do it, Bottom line is - - IT"S here we need to deal with this as one, it’s the type of blame game that is going to turn what’s been said about our Country come to real time if we don’t stop
Been said that the demise of our Country , our country will be taken over WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT BEING FIRED - get’s kind of old. - -At this point there is NOT ONE person that is good for the Presidency - -they all are idiots, radicals just you take the lesser of the evils. If you think Sanders could do better - then dam I feel sorry for you - - Biden ? - - Psssssst please/ Yet this is not the time to argue over that. you best cinch up your britches -let’s worry about winning this battle before we tackle the war.
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@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.
This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it’s important to recognize that for everyone’s safety.
We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn’t happen again.
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The impetus towards bipartisan action has to come with a swell towards the center. Consider Biden an olive branch from the Democrats. A centrist. Now it’s time for the rational Republicans to unite behind Biden and restore unity to the land.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.
This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it’s important to recognize that for everyone’s safety.
We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn’t happen again.
we all know that there are people hee trying to place blame on Trump I’m not for Trump- BUT I’mnot for Sanders or Biden either. yet I’m not going to sit here and place blame on anyone at this time and as you say ( LOL ) I’m glad you can see humor in this situation - time to laugh giggle when out Nation at risk - -this is not a place to be talking politics - -let’s talk about the problem - - CORONA VIRUS -that’s the problem. - -I’m not going to get into a long drawn out back and forth banner on this shit just seemspretty petty to be trying to place blame on an individual right now - Hell there is plenty of blame that can be paced all over the place concerning the Govt. - but thanks anyways - come on let’s focus on the REAL PROBLEM - -the president is not the real problem we are dealing with here
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@jayballer73 what about seeing Coronavirus as a force of nature? SARS and MERS were strains of coronavirus and they were contained. Are sharks a problem? Are glaciers that melt the problem? Or is it the humans that cause it? I think it’s important to not let someone blow shit up and then walk away like he did nothing wrong.
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I do get where you are coming from and we can refrain from being political on some thread. I just don’t think it’s appropriate to say we shouldn’t talk about Trump’s botch at all.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.
This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it’s important to recognize that for everyone’s safety.
We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn’t happen again.
HOLY SHIT MAN – truth ? - - - truth ? - -you want the truth ? - -the truth is this govt ha been so corrupt and full of lies for so dam long and you want to thump your chest about how this president has been dishonest and not told the truth ? - -NOW THAT’S FUNNY holy crap man where have you been the last 30 years or so? Come on man give me a fricken break that’s just sad You one of the people that’s not willing to give Credit for what this train wreck has done for this country? - -bet you are - that’s just disappointing don’t try and say there is a canidate that in this upcoming election that is more honest - -even you have to laugh at that - -This country was in sorry shape LONG BEFORE Trump was elected -LONG BEFORE he sure the hell isn’t the one who put this country in the shape it is in now. - It’s going to take years to get us out of this mess , and Sanders SURE THE HELL is not the one that is going to pull us out - believe that
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I do get where you are coming from and we can refrain from being political on some thread. I just don’t think it’s appropriate to say we shouldn’t talk about Trump’s botch at all.
OK done now lets agree to disagree
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@jayballer73 I will tell you where I haven’t been the last 30 years… Sitting in my house like it’s a bomb shelter trying to stay away from my common man because they don’t take life threatening viruses seriously.
Please permit me to figure out how we are here now and haven’t been for my entire life before this.
Biden is ABSOLUTELY more honest than Trump. Trump is the biggest liar I have ever seen. No exaggeration. Anyone who lies as much as Trump I have had the good fortune of being able to get the hell away from.
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@jayballer73 look, we can disagree. That’s fine. And we can talk about it. It’s all good. That’s what this place is for. If you don’t want Politics on your thread I can respect that. But this is the one I started
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh and what did Everybody mean by natural selection? Ummm
I’m the one who brought it up. What I meant was that this virus will indiscriminately kill some fraction of the population. I implied that those who are not wise enough to heed the advice of the medical community may not survive… although I tried to clarify that infected idiots may survive, only to infect others who are innocent and die (that’s the collateral damage I referred to.)
I think it is irresponsible that it’s been politicized. The virus isn’t red or blue…
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@bskeet viruses don’t fly.
This doesn’t have to do with red and blue. It has to do with Trump being an idiot. If this happened under any president who did what Trump did, I’d call him or her an idiot.
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Yeah, my comment is anachronistic… I was responding to something from 12 or more hours ago… A lot has been said since then…
Trump absolutely has exacerbated a problem that might have been a crisis before… but his dishonesty and bombast made it so much worse. Never thought I’d see such a fool in any federal office.
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Hope we don’t see a lot of this.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 I will tell you where I haven’t been the last 30 years… Sitting it my house like it’s a bomb shelter trying to stay away from my common man because they don’t take life threatening viruses seriously.
Please permit me to figure out how we are here now and haven’t been for my entire life before this.
Biden is ABSOLUTELY more honest than Trump. Trump is the biggest liar I have ever seen. No exaggeration. Anyone who lies as much as Trump I have had the good fortune of being able to get the hell away from.
Thank you and have a good night
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Oh Biden is a corrupt and lying politician. It just doesn’t get brought to the day of light with all left leaning media. I mean nothing like having a son with no experience on a Ukraine gas and oil company’s Board of directors. Ever wonder why Obama hasn’t given Biden his approval?
All Biden is? A familiar face to a fractured Dem party trying to salvage an election. The same party that has overplayed their cards the last 4 years trying sabotage a incoming president. The Dem party will be lucky to even retain the house let alone beat Trump.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
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No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse… sad if true, but unsure.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse… sad if true, but unsure.
They’re doing triage on elderly people because there aren’t enough beds so they’re playing the odds and saving as many as they can. It’s horrible. And there’s not a thing they can do about it.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse… sad if true, but unsure.
They’re doing triage on elderly people because there aren’t enough beds so they’re playing the odds and saving as many as they can. It’s horrible. And there’s not a thing they can do about it.
Right-- they didn’t get in front of it… couldn’t flatten the curve and the cases exploded and flooded the hospitals. Now the doctors are treating the public the way military doctors have to triage on a war field. Who’s most likely to survive? They get the resources and medical attention first. The weakest and most at risk are left to their fate.
All this quarantine and distancing business is about flattening the curve so doctors here don’t have to make the same tradeoffs on Americans.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
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@DoubleDD Never admit your wrong. Deny deny deny. Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. Attack attack attack. Get a new playbook.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Never admit your wrong. Deny deny deny. Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. Attack attack attack. Get a new playbook.
Yea I do wish the Dem party would quit denying the truth. Trump has done a pretty good job. It would go a long way in tempering some of the ignorant rancor that has taking place. I mean we now have scientist going on record approving what Trump has done. Even going as far as saying Trump’s actions are saving lives.
Truth hurt much?
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@DoubleDD man. Wake up.
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To what?
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What? you want me to follow another Dem plot to unseat a duly elected president? Yea no I’ll pass.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
What? you want me to follow another Dem plot to unseat a duly elected president? Yea no I’ll pass.
What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about impeachment. The discussion around Trump is about how he botched the COVID-19 response, which should be indisputable if you actually look at the facts.
- he said 15 soon to be 0 cases when this could have been contained.
- FDA didn’t approve tests, we had months to approve them but did not.
- he tried to manipulate counts by keeping people on the Diamond Princess, straight out of his own mouth “I like the numbers better” if they arent considered cased inside the US.
- He tells Fox News its ok to go to work sick with coronavirus. WTF? He also says that scientists will have a vaccine very soon. The original real estimates were a year to 18 months.
- His hot mic pre-address (oval office) shows a narcissist asking his camera man where the book should be on the table, fidgeting around with it. Where is his head? And he neglects to mention in the address that we should be self distancing (!) He creates a travel ban on European countries except UK when the disease is already here! Just clueless and tasteless, as he exempts the country where his resorts are located and neglects addressing the problem correctly, as it is already here.
- He says we should limit groups to 100 (second address, Rose Garden) except for work. WTF people still have the virus at work. He also says that Google is working on a site with 1700 engineers focused on it, when this is total BS.
- He says we should limit groups to 10 (still too many. come on man, stop walking it down and get it right the first, second, third, fourth, or fifth time)
Just deplorable idiocy and self-preservation.
These are FACTS. Not opinion. He f’ked up.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
Not really. The lab in Seattle had to go rogue to get the warning out because the Trump administration said no, you can’t run that test. And Trump explicitly said we don’t want tests because low numbers is good politics. He blew this a month ago.
The Chinese blew it much, much worse. This isn’t in dispute. A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.
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@approxinfinity don’t forget the careless language and inability to read a teleprompter leading to mass confusion in airports, on airplanes, both here, abroad and in between.
The lies about “testing” everyone returning from overseas.
The failure to beef up staffing to handle the influx of people going through customs at DFW, Chicago, and elsewhere forcing hundreds to maybe thousands of people to stand shoulder to shoulder amid a pandemic.
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And just to show this isn’t Democrat vs republican, there are many Republican Governors across the country stepping up, taking advice from scientists and leading the response in their states. The governor of Ohio has done an especially good job maybe the best in the country so far in my opinion.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.
Believing this requires something stronger than drinking the kool-aid. Not sure if I have the term for it…
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
1: There is evidence that the Chinese government knew about this and squelched the warnings of the medical community there.
2: Unfortunately, there is also evidence that the Trump administration knew about this and downplayed it and disregarded the medical community.
Not sure what conclusion could be drawn by bringing up this fact about the Chinese government’s mishandling other than the conclusion that the US leadership is no better – and possibly worse given that the Chinese didn’t know what they were dealing with and could be skeptical in the absence of data. But the US had 2-3 months of data and evidence from multiple countries about the nature of this outbreak – and STILL – resisted actions.
That’s irresponsible and probably incompetent. Maybe negligent. Maybe maleficient.
If this was the first time this administration had made a mistake, I think we’d give them a mulligan. It’s not.
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“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.
Believing this requires something stronger than drinking the kool-aid. Not sure if I have the term for it…
You mean like Russian collusion, quid pro quo, or obstructing? Yea no level headed Individual would draw that collusion? That maybe the Dem Party are is trying to undermine a sitting president. Yea no way to draw that collusion.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.
Yea that’s a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3
Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
1: There is evidence that the Chinese government knew about this and squelched the warnings of the medical community there.
2: Unfortunately, there is also evidence that the Trump administration knew about this and downplayed it and disregarded the medical community.
Not sure what conclusion could be drawn by bringing up this fact about the Chinese government’s mishandling other than the conclusion that the US leadership is no better – and possibly worse given that the Chinese didn’t know what they were dealing with and could be skeptical in the absence of data. But the US had 2-3 months of data and evidence from multiple countries about the nature of this outbreak – and STILL – resisted actions.
That’s irresponsible and probably incompetent. Maybe negligent. Maybe maleficient.
If this was the first time this administration had made a mistake, I think we’d give them a mulligan. It’s not.
You do know the rest of the world is struggling with this virus also. Right?
Yet somehow this is all the Presidents fault? That is quite a reach.
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@DoubleDD see my list of the President’s failings and @benshawks08 's amendments which I would hope you would not ignore, as they are the facts.
It’s a fair point you made that much of the world is struggling with this. But that doesn’t excuse Trump’s response, which has been mostly weak, counterproductive, self-absorbed, misinformed and confused.
