Board of Regents chair, student body president concerned by behavioral issues within KU men’s basketball program
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If you add all of this up, I could see how Self could be burnt out. I hope not but now I wouldn’t blame the guy.
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@rockchalkwyo Yeah, but it’s kind of his own doing. If he left now it would be the lite version of Urban Meyer bailing on Florida. Man up-Get your house in order before you leave if given the opportunity.
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“pattern of violence” I must have missed a bunch of other “violent acts” by the basketball team.
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Mario Little battery, Tyshawn fight with football players, Sherron elevator incident, Vick battery, Josh kicking car, Bragg battery, rape of 16 year old girl in the dorm…
off the top of my head
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@DanR Wait. A basketball player was charged with Rape? I must have missed that too.
Also, kicking a car is “violent”
Bragg and Vick were both charged and prosecuted with battery??
I will need some clarity since I don’t recall these trials for all of the violent acts.
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I can see some issues with some of theses guys. It’s not a high number percentage wise. I touched base on student athletes getting much longer leashes in these college towns while discussing Bragg and Hernandez. Some programs have to answer these questions and some don’t. I talked about Urban Meyer getting a complete pass outta all the crap he let happen at Florida, which was a much higher percentage. Lawrence isn’t hiding stuff and letting these guys get away with much and I agree with it. You have to face consequences for your actions. The other side the coin is that you will always get a bad apple or two. No school is immune to this, KSU had a guy involved in a drive by and it was hidden til the season was over a couple of years ago, even tho he was a suspect and questioned several times in season.
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We aren’t Baylor. But we aren’t exactly a church choir either.
Most of this comes from just being under a microscope. We’ve made ourselves an easy target though too.
KSU, in my opinion, was just as much at fault for the incident. But that isn’t what the media has said at all. The narrative has been “evil terrible bad cheating team coached by known villain Bill Self preys on measly weak innocent Wildcats team coached by civil rights activist Bruce Weber in backyard brawl.”
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@BShark what are you doing, dude?
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@DanR That’s who this is, but maybe a low blow to post? If @approxinfinity @Crimsonorblue22 or any other mods feel it should be deleted, I won’t fuss about it.
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Kcmatt7 said:
We aren’t Baylor. But we aren’t exactly a church choir either.
Most of this comes from just being under a microscope. We’ve made ourselves an easy target though too.
Completely agree. The team had really been doing a great job this year not making any off the court news and being good kids until this crap.
I still think Silvio is a good kid. Yeah the flex was dumb but it’s a heat of the moment thing for a 21 year old kid. Then he reacted like many human beings would react after being physically attacked. To completely vilify him is insane.
Kcmatt7 said:
KSU, in my opinion, was just as much at fault for the incident. But that isn’t what the media has said at all. The narrative has been “evil terrible bad cheating team coached by known villain Bill Self preys on measly weak innocent Wildcats team coached by civil rights activist Bruce Weber in backyard brawl.”
So stupid, but sadly true.
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BShark said:
What a …
I read the article. What she said wasn’t necessarily bad. She shouldn’t have said anything, but the newspaper was on the hunt for a quote and weren’t getting it from the Admin. So they took advantage of a College Kid.
And the headline makes it sound worse than what she meant it to come off as I believe.
Again, I think the journos wrote this story and then found a person to give them any sort of quote that they could spin into the article. Full on smear job.
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Here are some quotes from other coaches. Obviously, these coaches have to remain anonymous for the article.
The coaches were relatively one-sided on the final play of the game, with a majority saying going for a steal and layup while down 20-plus is entirely unnecessary.
“I do think it’s dumb to go steal the ball down 25 when they are dribbling out the clock,” one head coach said. “It’s false hustle. You’re beat! How about playing better defense when the game is being decided?”
“It’s bush league. I’m glad he blocked it,” an assistant coach said. “It’s bulls— [for De Sousa] to stand over him too though.”
Some coaches are using Tuesday’s brawl as a teaching moment for their teams. Some coaches said it’s hard to tell your players to back off in the final seconds of a game when you constantly preach playing hard for 40 minutes, regardless of the lead or deficit.
“It’s a double-edged sword,” one SEC assistant said. “You want your guys to play until the final buzzer. But when you’re down 20-plus points, you have to let the clock run down. When he stole the ball, the Kansas player did what he was coached to do. He played until the final whistle. Where he went wrong was with the taunt. You’re already up 20-plus. Take the block at the end of the game and celebrate the win.”
While the coaches generally thought de Sousa was in the right to chase Gordon and try to block his layup, they also were unsurprisingly unanimous in saying his taunting and standing over Gordon was just as bad as Gordon’s steal.
“The steal when they were down 30 and trying to dribble the clock out instigated it,” one coach said. “The block and staredown were a result of that play. Both were wrong.”
Moving forward and preventing this from happening again is the hard part. Nearly every coach said that they talk to their teams about how to act and react at the ends of games, how they need to stay on the bench – but sometimes, things happen and lessons go out the window.
“I think it’s talked about with every team all year,” a mid-major coach said. “You don’t try to score on a team on the last possession when the game is over. And you also don’t try to get a steal on defense, either. The game is over. When it does happen, either way, it’s just a kid trying to get attention.”
“We always speak to our team about being calm and in control of the moment, no matter what happens,” a Big Ten assistant said. “Of course emotions run high, especially in rivalry games, but nonetheless we always emphasize not letting the moment make you do something you’ll regret. Can they be prevented? I don’t think so. It’s a fight. They happen. Emotions run high. Competitiveness is real. So, unfortunately, at times kids lose their mind in the moment.”
One coach said there were several different points in the lead-up to the brawl that should have prevented it from getting out of control.
“You need other guys not to escalate it that aren’t involved – which is what happened,” he said. “There’s also a s— ton of suits [assistant coaches and support staff] at the end of the Kansas State bench that should have been all up in between them. You gotta have your antennae up. We’re the adults. Bruce [Weber] should have been yelling at that kid to not go lay that up. It was right in front of him, if he was walking to go shake hands.”
Outside of harping to their teams about winning and losing with some level of class, there isn’t much the coaches said they can do.
“You would hope that something of this magnitude could be prevented,” one head coach said. “I know how high emotions get and things can spiral downhill in a hurry. I will definitely bring it up with my team today and reiterate how to handle being in those situations – up or down.”
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
What a twat.
I read the article. What she said wasn’t necessarily bad. She shouldn’t have said anything, but the newspaper was on the hunt for a quote and weren’t getting it from the Admin. So they took advantage of a College Kid.
And the headline makes it sound worse than what she meant it to come off as I believe.
Again, I think the journos wrote this story and then found a person to give them any sort of quote that they could spin into the article. Full on smear job.
Yeah I just read it too, I think it’s time to delete some posts.
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DanR said:
Mario Little battery, Tyshawn fight with football players, Sherron elevator incident, Vick battery, Josh kicking car, Bragg battery, rape of 16 year old girl in the dorm…
off the top of my head
that’s a good start of the list anyways and probably more
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Kcmatt7 said:
We aren’t Baylor. But we aren’t exactly a church choir either.
Most of this comes from just being under a microscope. We’ve made ourselves an easy target though too.
KSU, in my opinion, was just as much at fault for the incident. But that isn’t what the media has said at all. The narrative has been “evil terrible bad cheating team coached by known villain Bill Self preys on measly weak innocent Wildcats team coached by civil rights activist Bruce Weber in backyard brawl.”
you got that right Kcmatt. we sure aren’t any Church Choir. I had no problem with Silvio running back at bat that ball like a ping pong after he got it took. - - Like several of people off ESPN said that the K-state player broke the un-written law by doing what he done at the end of the game , they say he is the one that actually struck the match to the whole thing.
So Silvio smacking that back no problem what so eve. - What I DID have a problem with was he standing over the kid and taunting him. - What I DID have a problem with was when he picked up the stool , there is no place in Basketball for that. Yet K-State was for sure just as much for the brawl part. When you look at the one where it states it’s from a different angle , it actually looked as if Sloan was the first to push Silvio back - -THEN Silvio gets up and starts swinging at anything moving kind of took off from there. Like you say though you don’t hear a lot about K-State
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@DanR I heard the Underage gal in the Dorm made up the story to keep from getting in trouble.
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@DanR Vick’s problems was the Calvert gal, on her. Remember daddy stopped talking when zenger said sign the paper and we’ll open the title whatever # document? Josh kicked the car. Bragg had the bong and had a gal shove him-on tape. DG didn’t have a car tag??
️ Trashed us, Self couldn’t talk about the title#?
