West Virginia Game Thread
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A good win on paper and we finally finished a tight game. But man that was ugly to put it nicely. The 6 bench points are frustrating, Moss was a ghost with Tristan and Silvio has major issues. I’m not sure where to even start with him, air balling a 4 foot shot that’s wide open. Would suck to get sanctions over a guy that’s only been effective in 3 games in his entire career. Dotson continues to force up shots in the lane instead of kicking it out, resulting in turnovers and his 15/45 shooting performance the last 3 games. If we want to win anything this season he has to play better end of story. The effort put forth in the rebounding department this afternoon was elementary at best, out rebounded 44 to 30. Rarely does a team shoot the way we did and rebound like that to win the game. Not sure if it’s just me but the last 5 or 6 years more often than not we don’t look ready to play. Not sure if the guys are out partying til 2 am or what but we had no energy or give a damn for the first 15 minutes today.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Moss is hard to play if he’s not hitting 3’s because he doesn’t really fill up the stat sheet any other way. There will probably be a handful of games where his 3-point shooting is very helpful to winning, though. This was not one of them. Kansas was 3-17 from deep today.
19-30 from the free-throw line. But if I’m remembering right, we were 3-10 from the at one point, which means we shot 16-20 (80%) after that.
Absolutely agree. Braun otoh is a Marc G type that impacts the game in a multitude of ways.
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@kjayhawks This is typical Bill Self. Game is tight and he rides 5-6 guys.
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Ugly game but it’s a win against a team that has become a big thorn in our side year after year. Since West Virgina came into the league they have given us fits almost every game.
Marcus, Doke and Braun get the game balls. Without marcus making that tough lay in and 2 fts we dont win this game. Hes big time
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Had to stream the game on my phone (was at a bday party) and the quality was really good and convenient to be able to see the game away from home. Couldn’t contribute much to the game thread but happy for the W. Thought Dotson really struggled again. Hopefully he gets out this slump
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BShark said:
@kjayhawks This is typical Bill Self. Game is tight and he rides 5-6 guys.
Ride or Die with the guys who were playing well
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BShark said:
Enaruna came in, made a horrible play and promptly went to the bench.
Not his game. He will get other chances but Braun is replacing him quickly
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@kjayhawks This is typical Bill Self. Game is tight and he rides 5-6 guys.
Ride or Die with the guys who were playing well
Every time.
Braun is really moving up the list. Did not see this coming based on early returns.
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@BShark very true just disappointed in everyone on the bench not named Braun.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Enaruna came in, made a horrible play and promptly went to the bench.
Not his game. He will get other chances but Braun is replacing him quickly
Yeah, could have played out differently if he didn’t go full derp.
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I feel better w/game in marcus’s hands than dot’s, at the end.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark very true just disappointed in everyone on the bench not named Braun.
Honestly Braun might not be coming off the bench much longer. Trying not to overreact but he does a lot of things that make Bill love/play you.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@kjayhawks This is typical Bill Self. Game is tight and he rides 5-6 guys.
Ride or Die with the guys who were playing well
Every time.
Braun is really moving up the list. Did not see this coming based on early returns.
He is becoming a really nice player. 4 straight good games. Self was right about him, he is a gamer
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I feel better w/game in marcus’s hands than dot’s, at the end.
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@BShark he does a lot of things crims loves too!
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Get ready for a lot of these ugly games in the 50’s and 60’s today. KU also played essentially 6 men today.
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@BShark He was crashing the boards hard today to the point of tackling people and was just on 50-50 balls in general. Only had 1 assist, but I thought he made some nice passes that weren’t rewarded with made shots. He’s a decent ball-handler and doesn’t force things. It’s already been said a million times but the guy just seems to get it.
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Moss gotta find another way to help the team when his shots not falling,
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Moss gotta find another way to help the team when his shots not falling,
Didnt play much either but he saved us last game. Just how he is I guess
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U think all our games will be tough? I kinda do.
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@Crimsonorblue22 KState and Iowa St are pretty bad. Thinking at least our homes games against them won’t be too bad. But KState is a purple team and Top 5 teams have been struggling with or losing to bad purple teams this year so I don’t know. You’re probably right, they’ll all be hard.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich great impact on defense too.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Moss gotta find another way to help the team when his shots not falling,
Didnt play much either but he saved us last game. Just how he is I guess
Yep. This is who he is.
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Doke, Tristan and Ochai should all have games where they make big plays on both ends. I think those three plus Braun and Marcus should start. We need a 4-1 and so Tristan is the guy by default, because Dave isn’t a 4 ever, and Silvio is awful atm. I’d play those 5 and let Marcus be primary handler until Dotson demonstrates that he can be more than a scorer.
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@approxinfinity no way
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@BShark which part?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich we will struggle @ KSU, probably worse than most years because usually they are solid defensively but we are good offensively. Last season was an L because we sucked on offense, this year we look a little better but will struggle against defensive teams like we did today. Has a second round exit written all over it to me.
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@approxinfinity can’t bench Dot
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@kjayhawks ksu is truly horrible
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Move him to 2 spot, take him out at times
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Foul! Isu tcu game
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@BShark agreed but they’ve had teams they didn’t make dance beat us before and we all know it’s their super bowl. It should be a 30 point game here and 15 point game there but I’ve seen us coming into that building asleep too many times in the past hand full of years.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Get ready for a lot of these ugly games in the 50’s and 60’s today. KU also played essentially 6 men today.
5 guys played >30 minutes, 4 guys played 10 minutes or less. Bimodal distribution.
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After today’s game, I’d burn Wilson’s redshirt if he’s able to go in the next few weeks to help find some bench production.
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kjayhawks said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich we will struggle @ KSU, probably worse than most years because usually they are solid defensively but we are good offensively. Last season was an L because we sucked on offense, this year we look a little better but will struggle against defensive teams like we did today. Has a second round exit written all over it to me.
The offense is honestly worse than last year. The difference this year is the defense is much better. KU hasn’t allowed more than 73 points in regulation in a game this year and only given up 65+ in a game 3 times this year.
That quality of defense can carry a team deep into the tournament, especially in a year without an elite team.
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BShark said:
@approxinfinity can’t bench Dot
yup, exactly what @Crimsonorblue22 said. not suggesting we bench him, just move him to the 2.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 very true, this team has potential to be great on that end of the floor. But KSU always sucks on offense and will go on droughts pretty much every game. Last year is hard to tell because of much better we were with Doke and Vick with his head outta his rear end. We had Dedric shooting it 14-20 times to just get 20 points.
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@approxinfinity you posted a starting line up without him unless I saw wrong.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 see also: 2012
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@BShark he can’t count
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I loved the play where Braun got the ball at the top right of the key, looked downhill, nothing there, dribbled to left side scanning, nothing available. Dribbled to baseline, defense didnt challenge him on baseline where he was slightly behind the backboard, so he collected himself, and calmly potted a jumper from about 6 feet out.
The kid is woke.
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Watching isu game?
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 very true, this team has potential to be great on that end of the floor. But KSU always sucks on offense and will go on droughts pretty much every game. Last year is hard to til because of much better we were with Doke and Vick with his head outta his rear end.
I don’t expect many blowouts this year home or away, maybe 3 or 4 and all at home. I also think we’ll be able to count on one hand the number of times KU scores 70+ in Big 12 game this season. This team will struggle to score and play most B12 games in upper 50’s and low 60’s like today was.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I think that’s a safe bet at this point.
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@Crimsonorblue22 asinine, we shot 30 free ones to their 22, with them fouling us twice on purpose. I thought it was physical game but a good officiated one.
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So Huggins is upset Dok shot a ton of freebies? It looked like his damn game plan.
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Every team that plays at AFH thinks we get breaks!
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At least huggs didn’t get kicked out today. I think this is the first wv game I’ve missed in a few years. Bummer.
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kjayhawks said:
@Crimsonorblue22 asinine, we shot 30 free ones to their 22, with them fouling us twice on purpose. I thought it was physical game but a good officiated one.
KU got whistled for 19 fouls to WVU’s 18.
