KU vs Okst thread
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@FarmerJayhawk, he doesn’t like numbers because they prove he’s wrong repeatedly. This game right here mirrors the offensive production of the Coastal game and we are playing a ranked team on the road but it’s very comparable to @Texas-Hawk-10. So Koenning gets a pass for only putting up 7 on a mid major at home that averages letting up over 30 lmao. You can’t make up the stupidity.
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Sorry but common sense says you can’t play bully ball with no offensive line which is what Koenning tried, repeatedly.
You’re showing how little you actually know about football strategy and play calling right now.
KU ran the ball just fine with basically the same OLine as last year, center being the one change. The difference is last year, KU had a consistent passing game that forced defenses to respect the passing game. Carter Stanley doesn’t make defenses respect his passing ability so defenses have loaded up against Pooka all year and forced KU’s passing game to do something.
So when an offense has a great RB, with no passing game to support that running back, they load up to stop Pooka. When Carter Stanley has the occasional good game (3 out of 10 this year), the running game works just fine.
Common sense tells me that 5 or 6 blockers, no matter how good they are, will not win against 7-8 defenders because it’s a numbers game.
KU has a decent OLine, good RB’s, above average receiving group, but the worst QB in the P5.
Your man crush on Carter Stanley going back multiple years has blinded you to the fact that he is a terrible QB that makes even the most respected of offensive minds look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
A zone read based offense (Koenning) and an RPO based offense (Dearmon) have the same basic principles of needing a QB capable of reading a defense to make decisions. Carter Stanley misread the DE/LB key on zone reads far too frequently under Koenning, and misreads the LB/S key on RPO plays too frequently under Dearmon.
Put Peyton Bender in either offense this year and KU would have 6 wins this year because he made good reads with the football. There is a reason why Carter Stanley couldn’t beat other QB’s out during his time and even when he was given the opportunities at the end if season’s, could never earn the starting job full time. Stanley winning the QB job this year was much more of an indictment on how bad MacVittie is than Stanley actually earning the job.
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kjayhawks said:
@FarmerJayhawk, he doesn’t like numbers because they prove he’s wrong repeatedly. This game right here mirrors the offensive production of the Coastal game and we are playing a ranked team on the road but it’s very comparable to @Texas-Hawk-10. So Koenning gets a pass for only putting up 7 on a mid major at home that averages letting up over 30 lmao. You can’t make up the stupidity.
How are those numbers doing for KU’s offense under Dearmon the past two games? You are fucking blind as hell if you think the OC has been the root KU’s offensive issues this year and not the shitty QB running the show that has now looked like shit for multiple games in a row under 5 OC’s throughout his career at KU now. At what point do you place Carter Stanley’s issues on Carter Stanley and not Les Koenning? Guess what, Carter Stanley was shit before Koenning, shit under Koenning, and shit after Koenning.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 while your logic is correct about not running the ball well, you forget that last season our numbers we’d were inflated by playing a weak Rutgers and CMU team. Several games KU had trouble rushing a year ago. I also hate to tell you Carter Stanley has a better competition percentage, yards per attempt and passing yards that Bender had last season. They both suck IMO.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk How has Nick Saban’s defense fared against spread offenses with good, mobile QB’s like what they’ve seen against LSU, Clemson, Auburn, or Georgia? They get torched because a 3-4 is a bad fit against that style of offense. If more SEC teams ran that system, Bama’s defense wouldn’t look as elite as they typically do.
A 3-4 defense has never been a good fit against spread offenses with a mobile QB. It opens up too many running lanes.
Saban vs: LSU 9-3 Clemson 2-3 Auburn 8-4 Georgia 5-1 Total: 24-10. So I’d say pretty good? Michigan and BC under Don Brown based out of the 3-4 for years and led FBS in total D for like 3 years in a row. Georgia bases out of it now. If it was so bad why are elite defensive coaches playing it? You can scheme that some by spying a LB or playing zone behind it.
LSU didn’t run a spread offense until this year and they torched Saban’s defense. Auburn with elite QB’s have torched Saban’s defense over the years. Saban has a losing record against Clemson, go figure.
Saban gets by with superior talent, not superior strategy.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 you are the stupidest person alive if you don’t think KSU and OSU defenses aren’t light years ahead of Coastals. KSU is in the top 5 in several categories nationally.
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 while your logic is correct about not running the ball well, you forget that our ku we’d were inflated by playing a weak Rutgers and CMU team. Several games KU had trouble rushing a year. I also hate to tell Carter Stanley has a better competition percentage, yards per attempt and passing yards that Bender had last season. They both suck IMO.
Peyton Bender also didn’t turn ball over the way Stanley does.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk How has Nick Saban’s defense fared against spread offenses with good, mobile QB’s like what they’ve seen against LSU, Clemson, Auburn, or Georgia? They get torched because a 3-4 is a bad fit against that style of offense. If more SEC teams ran that system, Bama’s defense wouldn’t look as elite as they typically do.
A 3-4 defense has never been a good fit against spread offenses with a mobile QB. It opens up too many running lanes.
Saban vs: LSU 9-3 Clemson 2-3 Auburn 8-4 Georgia 5-1 Total: 24-10. So I’d say pretty good? Michigan and BC under Don Brown based out of the 3-4 for years and led FBS in total D for like 3 years in a row. Georgia bases out of it now. If it was so bad why are elite defensive coaches playing it? You can scheme that some by spying a LB or playing zone behind it.
LSU didn’t run a spread offense until this year and they torched Saban’s defense. Auburn with elite QB’s have torched Saban’s defense over the years. Saban has a losing record against Clemson, go figure.
Saban gets by with superior talent, not superior strategy.
Cool, give me stats. Just saying stuff over and over doesn’t make it true. Now do Kirby Smart and Don Brown.
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DanR said:
Enough penalties. We could at least lose with some class. defense wasn’t as bad as the score looks, but the offense was ugly
You are 100 % correct Sir. - - don’t want to hear about late score - -full of backups
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@FarmerJayhawk clap clap
, numbers don’t lie. You cry and plead with god for them to change but there they are saying you’re full of crap lol.
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 you are the stupidest person alive if you don’t think KSU and OSU defenses aren’t light years ahead of Coastals. KSU is in the top 5 in several categories nationally.
Never said Coastal had a better defense, but for all the hype about what Dearmon did at an NAIA school last year, his offense is nothing ground breaking, it’s an RPO based offense. The only real difference between his offense and Les Koenning’s offense is the base formations and who the QB reads on plays.
Koenning’s offense was primarily based out of formations with 2 backs, 2 receivers, and a TE with the QB making his read based off of the DE/OLB for a zone read. In Dearmon’s RPO based offense, he prefers spreading out with 1 back, and either 4 receivers or 3 receivers and a TE with the QB typically reading the Strong Safety or OLB as his key.
Dearmon’s offense also makes the QB make an extra decision which for a QB who isn’t very good at making decisions, adding an extra one for him to make doesn’t seem like the best strategy to maximize what little ability Stanley has.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 The difference is, its putting up more points and yardage against better teams man. Nothing you can say will change that. It is my opinion that Koenning sucks a**, but it is a fact that Dearman has done better. Opinions don’t change facts but facts change opinions of logically thinking individuals. I know you have a connection there but he ain’t nothing and ain’t never held a job so hard to argue otherwise. At least we have had fun arguing, more so than watching the game lol, you can have the last word peace my friend.
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 The difference is, its putting up more points and yardage against better teams man. Nothing you can say will change that. It is my opinion that Koenning sucks a**, but it is a fact that Dearman has done better. Opinions don’t change facts but facts change opinions of logically thinking individuals. I know you have a connection there but he ain’t nothing and ain’t never held a job so hard to argue otherwise. At least we have had fun arguing, more so than watching the game lol, you can have the last word peace my friend.
I’ve never called Koenning an elite OC because he’s not. He’s also not nearly as crappy as you claim. Carter Stanley however is the worst QB KU has had in the post Mangino/Reesing era. I’ve talked with wide receivers that played under Weis and Beaty with all of those QB’s during that stretch. Straight up said Carter Stanley is a bad QB that makes bad passes and bad decisions.
Dearmon’s offense is also going to naturally put up more yards because of the style of offense it is. Now that there’s tape of the Kansas version of his offense, we’re seeing teams shut it down just they did after tape of Koenning’s version came out.
Since you want to keep harping on the Coastal game, KU averaged 4.7 yards per carry that game. Running the football was not the issue that game. It was Carter Stanley’s inability to get anything going in the passing game that night that cost KU that game. Stanley threw for 109 yards on 19 attempts with 2 picks that game. If Carter Stanley had done anything in the passing game that night, KU wins that game.
The reason Stanley has a higher completion % than Bender did last year is because Stanley’s attempts are mostly short passes where the receiver has to make a man miss to gain yards. Peyton Bender threw a lot more intermediate and deep passes than Stanley does. That’s why the completion % is better for Stanley. There’s two stats however that Bender was much better than Stanley and those are why he was a far superior QB to Stanley. Bender was sacked at a lot lower rate than Stanley is and Bender didn’t turn the ball over at the rate Stanley does. Bender made much better reads and decisions than Stanley did and that’s why he kept beating Stanley out for the QB job.
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Anybody hear what the fox sports 1 announcer said about our receivers dad? Not sure which one. It’s in Kc star, can’t get it. I guess he apologized.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Anybody hear what the fox sports 1 announcer said about our receivers dad? Not sure which one. It’s in Kc star, can’t get it. I guess he apologized.
Yep. He was giving shoutouts to Kwamie Lassiter Sr., who passed in January.
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@FarmerJayhawk why on earth would he need to apologize for that? Guess I missed that!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk why on earth would he need to apologize for that? Guess I missed that!
It wasn’t great (https://imgur.com/sDbhNeN)
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You mean he didn’t know?
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I think he just didn’t know he had passed, unfortunate but I don’t think he meant any disrespect. Obviously he had talked to him in years.
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@kjayhawks I agree
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In other news Baylor is spanking OU, 28 to 3 early in the second quarter, I wouldn’t count them out yet but damn.
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kjayhawks said:
I think he just didn’t know he had passed, unfortunate but I don’t think he meant any disrespect. Obviously he had talked to him in years.
This is my take. I’m sure he’s embarrassed to be saying hey hope you’re well to a dead dude. Right thing to do to apologize. I doubt Kwamie is offended or anything.
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I was thinking what Baylor would do to us
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The big 12 is super strange this season, Texas losses at ISU and WV wins in Manhattan. Crazy each has played great in a few games but looked terrible in others!
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OU outscores Baylor 31-3 in the final 2 and half quarters to win 34-31. Baylor had their chances, two second half turnovers and a two drive killing drops.
