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@JayHawkFanToo @Jayballer54 The development of a player of course takes both, practice and game conditions. I see practice as forging the knife, but the game action as sharpening it. A player has to get the core foundation, but to really progress, he needs the pressure and speed of true game action. I think we’re all saying the same thing here.
My guess is that DeSousa would not have even seen the court early but for our desperate need for a body (heck, we likely would not even have him here but for the Preston mirage). He is being completely rushed solely out of necessity. It’s a very difficult balance. Self has to balance this in his development because we may likely need him to survive in March. I think @mayjay is right on point here. It’s unrealistic to hope for too much. Just progress.
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@JayHawkFanToo yuck! I sure enjoyed the guys from the big 10! I also heard Coach Fox complained sat that this wasn’t Lawrence! Dumba$$ Fran started that.
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I agree and it is pretty much what I was saying. Expecting him to contribute immediately was and still is an unrealistic expectation.
Considering how thin KU’s margin of error is I can see why Coach Self is not playing him more. Had he gotten here in the Summer, I could see him playing a much larger role but as it is, I just don’t, at least not right now.
I see your knife analogy but before you can sharpen a knife, you have to give the raw metal it at least the semblance of a shape with an edge, otherwise you are trying to hone a piece of metal and just wearing out your sharpening tools with no hope of near term progress. Coach Self put that chunk of raw steel (Silvio) to the grinding wheel (game) and saw sparks fly (TOs, Pfs) and no sharp edge in sight only a worn out wheel (team); he decided to go back to the forge (gym) and pound a shape with an edge under fire (practice) before trying to sharpen it again…makes sense?
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Were those the guys that did the Stanford game? I really liked them, they manage to have a long interview with Frank Mason without taking anything from the game in progress and without constantly trying to promote themselves or brag how smart they were.
Was it Dickitch that had split screens with unrelated videos that made it unwatchable?
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Looks like Doke has listened to Coach Self. His form, at least in practice, is not perfect but it is night and day compared to the previous.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
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@Jayballer54Practice is where you learn to play the game and follow the playbook, game time is where you put that knowledge to practical use. Silvio is just starting to feel what playing with big boys is like and has not even began to grasp the play book.
Until he gets a basic understanding of those two and learns how to execute in real time he CANNOT be effective at game time. His stat line at OU, 1 minute, 3 TOs and 1 PF, that has to be a record. He looks like the proverbial deer in the headlights and he is constantly out of postilion and the team cannot run standard plays when he is in limiting its effectiveness. At this time, other than a couple of early minutes I just don’t see him playing anymore than that. KU has won its conference games by a n average margin of 4 points, think about it…4 POINTS, the margin of error is razor thin and Silvio makes it thinner.
I really like Silvio and I think that down the road he will be a stud, but at this time he is more of a liability than an asset. This is not a knock on him, a few week ago he was playing with HS boys and now he is facing college basketball elite men; unfair to expect him to step in and contribute right away.
Preston would have been in the ideal position to contribute since he had the Summer and pre-season to prepare but obviously that was not meant to be. He would have been the perfect player to guard Wade,
THANK YOU - -you finally get it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Jayballer54 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Thank you for addressing to me - -appreciated. - -not sure if you seen the others who are in agreeance with my feel my read but just felt the need to bring it to my attention - -appreciated. - you can talk to the wind all you want your not changing my views , as I’m seeing others the same - - you can talk till your blue in the face and if your gonna try and tell me that 2-3 more minutes over the entire game is gonna to destroy this team cost us games -I can bring you so many counter points about other members on this roster that would cost us the game with their preformances during the game it will make your head spin. - -I don’t buy it for one split second that playing Silvio 2-3 more minutes in a game will cost us games you can take that somewhere else cause you trying to point him out for those 2-3 minutes - you best check the other 6 players and see what they did in a 2-3 minutes stretch that cost us games - -sell that theory somewhere else thanks - -'m not buying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I simply addressed some specific points you brought up, repeatedly, but it it makes you feel better and not picked on, I would be happy to change my post and remove your name.
Why is it if a reply to one of your post stating my “OPINION” you get all out of shape? You state you “OPINION” all the the time including many with which I don’t agree and I don’t take it personally. This is a forum where we all exchange ideas and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t…it is the nature of every sports forum.
I’m really glad that we don’t agree on a lot of one another’s post , ya I get out of shape - -and I love it - -especially with some one that is so quick to point it out as you - you are one of my favorites- - can you tell? - OH believe me I can exactly how you stand - - so good to have this forum, ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Wouldn’t it be really nice to see the guys come out and have a complete 40 minute game tonight instead of like what seems to happen this year? - -Have a solid 1st half - - have a solid 2nd half , would make it even more special considering it’s K-State.
I know they are suppose to be rivals , and I suppose they are - - just kind of hard to have a rivalry when we have won 55 out of the last 60, as some others on different sites have stated.
We need this win - would be big , yet even bigger as being on the road. - - We all know , as I was listening to the local sports radio this afternoon - -WIBW - and geez these guys are just all bubbly - talking about how they really see K-State having a very good shot at the win , got me to thinking back when WIBW use to be the flagship station for K-State. - -I mean very true K-State does have a good chance , we all know what their place is going to be like tonight, we know they going to be giving Doke the business - -they STILL going to be giving SVI the business - WIBW people saying it will rival the phog as far as loudness for tonight’s game , probably true , just kind of had to laugh - just seemed these guys were having a hard time containing their giggles thinking about the possibility of a K- State win without coming right out and saying they hope K-State won.
Would love to see KU come out and just be really sharp - think we need to focus on Doke more especially early - -can’t settle for nothing but a bunch of three’s - you can bet they are going to get sufficient calls against us - -more likely Doke will be in foul trouble early - whether legit or not - it’s just the nature of the game - the refs being at K-State getting wrapped up by the noise making questionable calls - -let’s just see how that plays out - -something to watch, just would be great if we could come out - put our foot on their throat from the get go - -if we can win in Morgantown - then we stick together - there isn’t any reason we can’t win in Manhattan. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo joe tessitore, don’t think it was him, but not sure, for the Stanford game. He was so respectful of our program, AFH and coach Self. Didn’t call out the refs or act like he knew more than the coaches.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Jayballer54 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Thank you for addressing to me - -appreciated. - -not sure if you seen the others who are in agreeance with my feel my read but just felt the need to bring it to my attention - -appreciated. - you can talk to the wind all you want your not changing my views , as I’m seeing others the same - - you can talk till your blue in the face and if your gonna try and tell me that 2-3 more minutes over the entire game is gonna to destroy this team cost us games -I can bring you so many counter points about other members on this roster that would cost us the game with their preformances during the game it will make your head spin. - -I don’t buy it for one split second that playing Silvio 2-3 more minutes in a game will cost us games you can take that somewhere else cause you trying to point him out for those 2-3 minutes - you best check the other 6 players and see what they did in a 2-3 minutes stretch that cost us games - -sell that theory somewhere else thanks - -'m not buying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I simply addressed some specific points you brought up, repeatedly, but it it makes you feel better and not picked on, I would be happy to change my post and remove your name.
Why is it if a reply to one of your post stating my “OPINION” you get all out of shape? You state you “OPINION” all the the time including many with which I don’t agree and I don’t take it personally. This is a forum where we all exchange ideas and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t…it is the nature of every sports forum.
You know after giving it a little bit of thought about what you said about how I get all out of shape? - -you know your probably right - imagine that me saying your right. I think for me, it’s not so much that you disagree with me but the way you seem to come back at me, just me, I just have this feeling that you have had a burr up your ass with me from day one since I’ve been here - it’s the way you come at me or so it seems to me anyways , so ya I probably get out of shape more then I should. Then I let all my logic go out the window - I shouldn’t allow that to happen , but I’m going to say the things I feel like are valid and bottom line is - if people don’t like them - just got to realize - -not my problem - -maybe it’s because maybe I have more of some rebel in me - maybe that’s why some have some did like for me here - -it’s ok - maybe because I don’t always try to sugar coat things on the way some things are done, I’m gonna call it like I see it - -it is what it is. - So ya your probably right, I guess maybe I rub you wrong - and then in turn you rub me wrong – so be it. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Devonte is feeling it at Bramlage…
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Good start! Maybe we will get doke more reps at the line.
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Bruce so dumb
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Weber has done nothing but complain the entire game.
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7 turnovers so far…should have a bigger lead with that 3 pt shooting!
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@Hawk8086 bad passing
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5 fouls on KU already and only 2 on KSU, why is Weber bitching so much?
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If we could just stop turning it over…it might really be out of hand.
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3 on Marcus don’t like Marcus and Mitch in together
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#3 on the floor!!!
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3 fouls on Garret will do it.
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Fun! Sam! Maybe a lil luck there
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Good game for Sam so far.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
3 on Marcus don’t like Marcus and Mitch in together
Yeah when you are a 7 player team it’s tough when you have guys 6 & 7 in at the same time.
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Uncle Fester doesn’t think KU can win a national championship this season. Bummer.
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Gunman said:
#3 on the floor!!!
All it took was 3 fouls on Garrett, 2 on Vick. He is playing well though for the most part at least.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Uncle Fester doesn’t think KU can win a national championship this season. Bummer.
Didn’t he also think we should have Mitch start the 2nd half against A&M?
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14-4 rebounds in favour of KU and KSU can’t shoot. Crazy.
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That’s why he’s still coaching at Va Tech and not a sports analyst.
Oh… Wait…
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We are shooting 85% wuuuut
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Cunliffe stone hands about 3 times already yeesh
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Refs out to get Doke smh
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Fouls gonna kill us
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@BShark Not the best passes.
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Wade shoots 45.3% from 3. Don’t come off him.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Wade shoots 45.3% from 3. Don’t come off him.
Silvio was totally lost.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Fouls gonna kill us
Turnovers too honestly.
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…and that is why Silvio is not playing more.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
…and that is why Silvio is not playing more.
ROUGH sequence
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BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Wade shoots 45.3% from 3. Don’t come off him.
Silvio was totally lost.
Didn’t see a foul there.
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Whistle happy refs are fouling up KU key players.
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How did both of the descendents of Maurice King not end up at Kansas. Wainwright brothers look like twins.n
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Whistle happy refs are fouling up KU key players.
Every player is key when you have 7 rotation players.
But yeah welcome to the Higgins show.
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wrwlumpy said:
How did both of the descendents of Maurice King not end up at Kansas. Wainwright brothers look like twins.n
KU didn’t want them.
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And I am serious. I will always admit when KU simply misses on a player.
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Sam just shot a worse three than Garrett. WOOF.
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Great coaching by Self.
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As good a half as we could have played. Looking good.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
As good a half as we could have played. Looking good.
Cut the turnovers and wowee.
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It’s 4AM in Bosnia and Billy is up watching this game. Don’t hate Billy guys, hate his situation and dislike others around him that caused it.
