Motley's Drue vs 7 and a half Eligible Scholarship Players Game Thread
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@globaljaybird that’s some tall
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@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t encourage him.
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@BShark Yes he did. Maybe not enough. What 2 pts, 2 blocks a rebound and no TO’s.
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@brooksmd wondering if he’s tall?
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Self really only plays Lightfoot when he is mad at this point.
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Poor coleby! Not blocking out on that throw was a killer
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@DoubleDD said:
I promise you Drew told his team to foul Mason. How did that work out? The cat can recruit, he just can’t x and O it. I posted this in another topic. Is there coach that has done less with the talent Drew has recruited? If I was him I would swallow my pride and attend a Coach Self camp. He could learn something, and make him millions.
Not going to claim that he is a great or even very good Xs and Os coach, but what talent? Does he have anyone on this team that was a top 50 ranked player coming in? I’m asking as I don’t know, but my guess would be no. Regardless, much less talent than KU, AZ, UNC, Duke, UK and probably many other teams. He’s gotten pretty good results out of this bunch and they won 20 six years in a row and made an E8. So, IMO, he doesn’t deserve all the flack he gets…
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Ll was not much help first half, hopefully him and Bragg will help us out down there!
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The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.
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Kinda wondering where the green guy went. Kinda scared me!
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@Crimsonorblue22 i liked how the guys went to him and he delivered in the clutch. He can be our version of Ochefu - it’s all between his ears.
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@HawkChamp free throws too
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@brooksmd Why not-it’s good exercise for the brain to recall all this crap - even if it is a little salty or vile…just consider the source ! LOL
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@Crimsonorblue22 true dat
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Selfs talking about never having a team bank 3 3’s before.
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Selfs happy w/d last 3 mins
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Well, now we know Bill is going to use the zone more and more. It really took away Baylors inside game. That was Nova like.
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@Crimsonorblue22 he definitely should be. Our guys know how to finish.
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Either way you slice it, this ain’t your big brother’s Baylor Bears. These guys are tougher. They DID benefit from some horrible-looking bank threes, but we also benefited from some bad calls. Props to them tonight. It’s a two-horse race. If we can figure a way to beat them on the road, that should at least seal a share for us.
I noticed afterwards that Self was slightly more cordial to Drew afterwards. Playing Drew’s zone probably bridges the gap a bit between the two in Self’s mind.
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@kjayhawks said:
The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.
Part of this was brilliance from Self changing defenses and point of emphasis.
@DCHawker said:
Not going to claim that he is a great or even very good Xs and Os coach, but what talent? Does he have anyone on this team that was a top 50 ranked player coming in? I’m asking as I don’t know, but my guess would be no. Regardless, much less talent than KU, AZ, UNC, Duke, UK and probably many other teams. He’s gotten pretty good results out of this bunch and they won 20 six years in a row and made an E8. So, IMO, he doesn’t deserve all the flack he gets…
Agree. I’m not a huge fan of Drew but the job he has done with this team is tremendous. As I mentioned earlier in the thread he has three players that would very likely be at KU if KU didn’t basically pass on them in Freeman, Wainright and McClure. Well, Freeman and McClure could have easily been Jayhawks, not sure KU ever showed much interest in Wainright.
So let’s look at what Drew has on this team. Lucas type of ranking PG in Lindsey, fringe top 75 kid McClure (fell off late after starting higher in rankings), fringe top 300 Maston, JUCO scrub Omat, JUCO , NR JUCO Acuil, Top 150 Motley, and top 75 guards Wainright and Freeman both of whom slumped in the rankings iirc. Drew had this team on the precipice of being the #1 team in the country and was #1 earlier. Hell of a job.
Edit I forgot Lecomte, TOP 300 GUARD coming out of hs.
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Night all. See U Saturday for the clones. KSUcks lost tonight to TCU! UT barely beat Tech.
To all the other Big 12 teams - read it and
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@HawkChamp He whoopped Jared Sullinger & Robbie Hummels butts both with a zone… 2012 that zone had us one victory from an NC. Self hasn’t gotten 600 wins with rocks in his head.
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@Crimsonorblue22 lost my tunein feed for postgame
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@kjayhawks (The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.)
Drew can’t x and O it. Even the media types say Baylor is a good team but not the best.
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@BShark he’s a solid coach but they made no attempt to get the ball to motley in second, we will always find a way to get JJ or Mason the ball.
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And this is why you’re right about Drew. Hey the cat can recruit. He just can’t coach. Give Coach Self this Baylor team and they beat KU In the Field house. I hate to say it, but it is true.
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@kjayhawks A bit easier to get a guard the ball in a zone defense versus a big. Still Drew should figure it out, but probably not a fair comparison.
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@chriz agreed but Baylor played zone most the game and JJ got plenty of touches, he shot more than anyone else on the team. I’m a basketball coach myself. Idk what you could call that but poor coaching.
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God I love being a KU fan. Here we are talking about how Drew an opposing coach should’ve done this to beat our beloved Jayhawks. Us Jayhawk fans are a special breed. We really are
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Self read a statement about Vick. He can’t answer anything. Doesn’t know anything. You can tell he’s really pissed. A lot of people r pissed at KU writers from star!
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What calls did we get? I saw a bunch of missed walks from Baylor. That guy flopped on the 3
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@kjayhawks I hear ya. If I recall correctly, didn’t Motley get all his points posting up against our bigs? I know in the 2nd half he eventually did get touches but we doubled him. Then the one time we didn’t double him, he scored.
Josh isn’t a post-up big, he’s obviously more of a small 4 in a 5-guard lineup. I think Josh is the PERFECT zone-buster because of his passing ability (in addition to his scoring) and knew he’d have a great game tonight.
Motley simply isn’t as talented as JJ, so that’s part of it. Should Motley have known how to pass out of a double-team? Yeah, probably. But he just didn’t. I think that’s where the coaching comes from. At the end of the day, Motley’s a post player and it’s tough to post in a zone, particularly when double-teams are flying at you and you don’t know how to pass out of it.
Just playing devil’s advocate…
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@globaljaybird I never said he did
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@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t get why that report about Vick is even coming out now. Kind of stupid in my opinion since it happened over a year ago. Someone leaked it just to drag his name through the mud and pile on to all the other crap that’s going on. In all reality it’s really none of our business. Obviously the cops and/or the victim didn’t want to pursue a case and it was handled internally by the school.
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yeah Rick Barnes
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@RockChalkinTexas Too bad this isn’t the NFL we’d effectively have a two game lead on Baylor if head to head records actually mattered as far as winning the conference outright goes.
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@HawkInMizery it’s illegal too! 18 scouts in the buildings tonight
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@Crimsonorblue22 everyone always says we get the calls at home and tonight we shot 27 FTS to 6 but Mason drove the ball to the hoop in the second and drew fouls while Baylor jacked up 3s. Anyone that watched that game knows that’s what happened.
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@HawkInMizery It also very well could have been the same nut case that Bragg was hooked up with a few weeks ago… that entire family is strange… Someone not governed by the rules of the investigation could have given out all the info they had…2nd or 3rd parties, counsel, a misery grad, who knows ??
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@kjayhawks yep. We took away their strength and made them shoot jumpers.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah and all of the scouts are hearing about that report now which should have never come out. Those investigations are supposed to be restricted and only certain people are supposed to have access to them.
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@globaljaybird Which is really unfortunate for Vick. From what I heard during the earlier Bragg investigation Vick had been tangled up with that same young lady. And totally agree that whole family is off balance.
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@kjayhawks this! As soon as i saw the box score I knew people would bitch about KU getting all the calls at home. You’re not going to get a ton of FT’s if you’re just jacking up jump shot and the other team is driving the lane to force the issue. There were a ton of no calls though during the first half especially when the refs just let them play.
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Not sure if already posted but Newman wasn’t at the game because he has the flu.
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Who cares about these rankings though. Look at Mason and Graham. Lecomte is clearly a stud beyond his ranking.
I think Baylor has some stats guys that actually know what they’re doing, hence the appropriate lineup selection for tonight. Also, it seems that they’re doing a good job of finding talent in the haystack. , so maybe they have a hand in that too.
Coaching is what wins you these games though, and we saw that tonight with the adjustments in the second half. Very proud of Vick and Svi for making some defensive plays tonight. We couldn’t have done it without those guys (as well as Jackson) defending some of Baylor’s taller players effectively tonight. That said, there were still dumb plays like the missed dunk and getting pegged out of bounds. Those can’t happen late in March. Everyone made some pretty dumb plays tonight though.
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@betterfireE it seems like our guys cant keep themselves from making silly plays. But maybe one of these days it will get better.
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@globaljaybird Wife brought home some cake tonite that a patient brought in for the nurses. Said it was rum cake. Didn’t smell too rummy to me but a liberal sprinkling of Bacardi Gold took care of that.
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@BShark oh, was concerned!
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Big difference in rebounding between the halves. Baylor with a lot more rebounds in the first half bu KU ended up with more for the game.
Also, before we anoint Drew a good coach, keep in kind that he hired a new assistant to work with the bigs and this is why they are playing well and he might be also calling the game early and then Drew takes over and screws it up.
Earlier they showed where they took the front line from Baylor (3 players) had them spread their arms touching at the finger tip and measured 21 feet and 8 inches or an average of over 7 feet…that is one tall line with a huge wingspan.
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@kjayhawks JJ moves like a
cat to get open catches in that zone. He’s athletic & tall enough to give the passer great angles & he is, so far, damn near unstoppable. He’s at the FT line, on the baseline, he’s like crap in the pasture on offense in a zone- He’s everywhere. Plus he can drive it, post up, drain trifectas, or flush like a Kohler. JJ is badass & “Big time”- I think that’s what some one called him tonite- big time. We’re gonna go as far as he can take us this year & that very well could be the NC. That young man is the one to put a team over the top We haven’t seen that many OADs fit in like he does at Kansas. RCJH!
