This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need
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Our nation is going to be okay. We need to start living, and quit waiting to die. Saw on the news today where NYC restaurants are still closed, as far as indoor dining. I mean, can you imagine the hurt that the owners and employees of those places are going through? Many of the people that are most susceptible to the virus won’t be going to them anyway, so why keep them closed? Let’s be real… We now know enough about this virus to understand that continuing to keep the country shut down in many, if not all, of those places that still do so is - let’s face it - now doing more harm than good.
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@Marco you go for it.
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@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
This whole nation is going to be okay. We need to start living, and quit waiting to die. Saw on the news today where NYC restaurants are still closed, as far as indoor dining. I mean, can you imagine the hurt that the owners and employees of those places are going through? The people who are most susceptible to the virus won’t be going to them anyway, why keep them closed? Let’s be real… We know enough about this virus now to understand that continuing to still keep the country shut down in many places is - let’s face it - now doing more harm than good. Let’s live, America.
The longer this goes on, the more I’m in favor of relaxing some of the restrictions. I got my hair cut today, felt totally safe. Yet, my city is dying because nobody is allowed to host any amount of customers inside that would make them profitable. Downtown is a ghost town. There are more homeless people than customers. It’s so, so sad.
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We are pretty much open, just have to wear masks. Some schools are online
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@FarmerJayhawk Thank you, my friend. I couldn’t agree more. This isn’t a political football for me, it is about our country. And you’re right, it is sad
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@Marco what state do you live in? Most places in Kansas are open. Bars have to close early and I think have 50% capacity. They of course have the highest numbers! Restaurants are open with 6 ft distancing. The highest number of cases in our county are in the under 20 age group.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I live in the United States of America. And despite the statistics, you - so many do it - conveniently left out the most important one, hardly none of the new cases are dying or will.
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@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
@Crimsonorblue22 I live in the United States of America. And despite the statistics you - so many do it - conveniently left out the most important one, hardly none of the new cases are dying or will.
If we relax social distancing and mask requirements and the positivity rate increases and hospitals/ventilators get over capacity we Will be back to April numbers.
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@Marco https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
With the exception of the last few weeks of cdc data (take that as you will, given that they’re now a political agency actively trying to suppress Covid counts thanks to Trump et stooges), the death counts are pretty consistent. Also, the counts may increase after the week of. I don’t see how in these numbers we can derive that nobody is dying or will.
Even with social dístancing and masks, we are talking about 2x the number of people dying in the World Trade Center per week for context. I don’t think anyone was saying Osama bin Laden was not a threat to Americans two weeks after he bombed the World Trade Center.
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@approxinfinity I didn’t say that nobody is dying. I said, hardly none of the new cases are dying or will die. You seem to see everything through a political lens, which is why you just wrongfully lambasted the CDC.
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Those young people are super spreaders.
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That’s Forbes, a conservative source, talking about the CDC succumbing to pressure by the Trump administration. At a certain point, it’s time to accept that the position that isn’t ours is not political. It’s reality. Or… we can stick our head in the sand, keep riding the Trump-Fox crazy train, repeating the same addled logic and talking points we’ve been fed, and argue that it’s just “my politics” or that somehow it’s “not political”.
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@Marco I think the reason @Crimsonorblue22 asked what state you’re in is because a lot of the country is mostly “open”, so it depends on where you are.
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@approxinfinity I know what she was talking about. I say that while using common sense according to whatever area - and ofcourse some won’t, but that is always how it goes - it is time to open all businesses nationwide.
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@Marco Do it, man. Go to a packed bar with shitty air circulation and yell in people’s faces over the music/ballgame. It’s time! Just use common sense… it’s available everywhere.
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@DanR Man, I’m not talking about just bars, I don’t even go to bars (clubs yes, bars no). What I am talking about, though, is that there needs to be some consistency, for real. Disneyland, Disneyworld and Universal can be open but other businesses including barber shops and hair salons cannot? And kids not allowed to go to school? I’m not talking about Kansas, I’m talking about the nation. It seems that some states are picking their own high-dollar winners and what they view as small potato losers, and that is very uncool.
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@Marco Where are barbershops and hair salons closed? I got my hair cut four days ago in Lawrence. She wore a mask, and I wore a mask. She’s from Lincoln, NE, and we talked about the damn Cornhuskers and Runza (fast food place, based in heaven on earth, LINCOLN). Thankfully, I don’t have as much hair as I used to, so it was quick and I worried more about her Nebraska cooties than corona.
It seems to me – broad generalization – that a lot of people just want things to be back to “normal” without really evaluating what that is. I personally hate Disneyworld with the heat of a thousand suns because my parents worked there for 25 years, but if everyone buys into a minimal personal sacrifice (mask), it’s all doable. Go to Disney and walk around out in the 100 degree sunshine. Bless you. But, do you want to pack Allen Field House right now? Ew… nope. We could in a couple months if we snuff this out.
I think the problem with relaxing statewide restrictions is it gives ignorant people the illusion/green light that things are peachy fine. (by ignorant, I mean my immediate family going to bars and big social gatherings. Mask not required, so mask not worn). Funerals. Weddings. Even church service. Those are tough choices and I’ve had to make some of those. At this point, we should have snuffed it out with a consistent plan, but we didn’t.
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@DanR I’m not talking about Kansas
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@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t buy it, sorry.
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@Marco you don’t believe college kids go home and spread it? That’s why they are trying to contain them on campus.
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What is there not to buy? I just don’t get it.
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@DanR said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
@Marco Where are barbershops and hair salons closed? I got my hair cut four days ago in Lawrence. She wore a mask, and I wore a mask. She’s from Lincoln, NE, and we talked about the damn Cornhuskers and Runza (fast food place, based in heaven on earth, LINCOLN). Thankfully, I don’t have as much hair as I used to, so it was quick and I worried more about her Nebraska cooties than corona.
It seems to me – broad generalization – that a lot of people just want things to be back to “normal” without really evaluating what that is. I personally hate Disneyworld with the heat of a thousand suns because my parents worked there for 25 years, but if everyone buys into a minimal personal sacrifice (mask), it’s all doable. Go to Disney and walk around out in the 100 degree sunshine. Bless you. But, do you want to pack Allen Field House right now? Ew… nope. We could in a couple months if we snuff this out.
I think the problem with relaxing statewide restrictions is it gives ignorant people the illusion/green light that things are peachy fine. (by ignorant, I mean my immediate family going to bars and big social gatherings. Mask not required, so mask not worn). Funerals. Weddings. Even church service. Those are tough choices and I’ve had to make some of those. At this point, we should have snuffed it out with a consistent plan, but we didn’t.
Couldn’t have said it better. - -give some idiots enough rope and sure enough they gonna hang theirself.-- Just like you said they relax some of the restriction and people act like fools and try and pretend this crap never happened. - -People have to understand this virus is NOT going anywhere until we can get a vaccine.
Some people thought well as soon as the heat comes this stuff wil go away , well umm - - NO. I don’t get what’s so dam hard about wearing a mask - something as simple as that , NOT THAT HARD and simple to do. - -No one likes to - - - I don’t like to but if it helps even in the slightest then I’m gonna do it, instead of some of the idiots that say - -Humph I’ll show them I just ain’t gonna do it there take that attitude. People need to wake the hell up
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Let me rephrase (instead of using not buy), there have been sixty-some confirmed cases of covid-19 where I live so far, and every single one of them has recovered - even a 95 year old lady (no lie). I have never said that are no deaths, but am saying that it is time to fully reopen the country.
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From my favorite movie, although I’m loving 42 now too. “Attitude reflects leadership” Never thought I’d be using it for Covid.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah, stay in your basement and hide or get out and live. I’ll choose the latter. Question, how many people do you know who have died from Covid-19?
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I know none, to answer the question that I am now going to ask you. How many people do you know (and I’m not talking, “well, I have an acquaintance who has an uncle that,” - no, I mean actually know) that has died from Covid? Be honest.
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@Marco So How many people do you have to know before you “buy” it? If it’s not real until it affects you that’s a pretty self absorbed way to look at the world. 200,000 people. The equivalent of 9/11 every week. How many people did you know that died on 9/11? If it’s zero does that mean it’s not real? There are people who think that.
For reference I know 5 people who have died. Not that that matters.
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@benshawks08 That was a bad use of words, it is real and there have been deaths. My point is, it is time to reopen the country.
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@Marco What isn’t open that you want to do? What does “fully reopen” mean to you? I eat from all my favorite restaurants, I just do it to go. I see my friends, just outside and from 6feet away. I’m not locked in my house in fear, but I’m trying not to actively put other people at risk. I can watch golf and the NBA on my tv, but I won’t be joining the 25,000 people at the UT football game. Heck, I even go play golf once every couple of weeks.
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@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
Let me rephrase (instead of using not buy), there have been sixty-some confirmed cases of covid-19 where I live so far, and every single one of them has recovered - even a 95 year old lady (no lie). I have never said that are no deaths, but am saying that it is time to fully reopen the country.
So because where you live, you don’t know anyone who died, you therefore think it’s time to reopen the country.
My neighbors mom died of covid, likely got it from her asymptomatic nurse sister. Shes all messed up about it but still doesnt observe good social distancing policies, from what I’ve observed. My brother got it, said it was the worst illness he’s ever experienced, but he’s ok. My brother is a Trump apologist and I am assuming my neighbor is too.
Afaict you’re arguing erroneously that the disease isn’t very deadly, and arguing erroneously for opening up the entire country based upon your singular personal experience, and arguing erroneously that your position isn’t political.
Should we just move on?
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@approxinfinity and that was and is a problem. And yes, we need to and should move on. We are the 3rd most populous nation in the world, and we have a thing called states’ right and American stubbornness that made the virus very difficult to contain. But look at Florida, about a month ago everyone was more or less saying that they were all getting ready to die (major para-phrasing) yet they are fine. Yes, time to move on.
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Which part?
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@benshawks08 I wear a mask, and socially distance as well. I’m not saying put people at risk, but many businesses have not been allowed to open in some states and it’s flat out wrong. I mean, come on, Disneyland can be open but not a barber shop or hair salon?
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@Marco Indoor Vs Outdoor. Close quarters vs distance available. Amount of time in direct contact with another person. These are things we have learned throughout this pandemic. These are the things that matter when it comes to transmission of the virus from person to person. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not going to Disney world anytime soon. I’d rather not be in any place with thousands of people who I can’t account for how seriously they are considering the safety of others.
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@approxinfinity The part that you know someone who died of Covid-19, that part.
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@benshawks08 Nor will I go there. But to say that those places can be open while bankrupting small businesses?
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@Marco so why is me knowing someone who died of covid part of the problem? Is the problem that I don’t agree with your assessment? I thought you were suggesting that none of us probably knew someone who died as a reason for why we should open up the country. If I do, doesn’t that weaken the premise of your argument?We can move on.
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@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
@benshawks08 Nor will I go there. But to say that those places can be open while bankrupting small businesses?
This isnt about disney vs barbershop. It’s about disney vs virus and barbershop vs virus. Our barbers here are open and just need to follow the governors guidelines :
Clients are to maintain a minimum of 6 feet between each other.
All patrons must bring a face mask that covers the nose and mouth during service. Services that we provide will be limited to those that can be done without removing the face covering.
In addition, upon entry, all clients must visit our hand sanitizing station.
We request that clients enter the building alone unless a minor or disabled person. In that case, the parent and/or caregiver will be allowed to accompany the client using the recommended PPE for their protections.
Also, barbers are doing housecalls.
There’s nothing wrong with business adapting to the times and meeting the needs to keep their clients safe.
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The roaring 20s followed the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, so GOOD TIMES are ahead. Hang in there, everyone!
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@DanR how’s the wife?
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Hey @Crimsonorblue22. She’s doing fine, but it’s hard. Tested negative on the first round of covid tests at KU, so that was good, and got cleared to be on campus. Half classes in person and the rest online. Some students opted for all online which creates twice the amount of prep work to do both online and part in person, but she’s powering ahead. It sounds like she has a great batch of students (as usual), so that helps.
Lawrence got a little more lively in the past month with students back, but campus still seems deserted. Usually I can hear the marching band practicing this time of year, but I don’t think I’ve heard them. That might change in the next couple days if the temp drops and I can open some windows!
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@DanR I was wondering how the strike went today for her classes. I bet she has the more mature kids that are staying smart! My cousin has 2 kids there, both have some labs classes they have to be in. The boy is a fb manager, he’s been quarantined once already, roommate had Covid, also a manager. He didn’t get it but his roommate was actually pretty sick. 4 of them, 1 bathroom. They managed to keep it contained.
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Ah, I’m quite jealous of you all who have most things open. NC (Chapel Hill especially) is basically still on lockdown. Most of the downtown restaurants closed either temporarily or many called it quits permanently. Some even have GoFundMe’s to make it through. Public parks are about half open, hair salons are 1-2 people at a time, grocery stores have cut hours, schools are closed through January (including UNC), and only college football (no fans) through September. No high school sports until next year. I’m very happy for you all who basically get to live like you have, thank your lucky stars. In other places it’s still brutal. And I’m not sure when things will turn around. Probably waiting on a vaccine, and then we may not have much of an economy left. Sad situation.
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@FarmerJayhawk yeah. Or if we make not wearing a mask properly (ie no nose sticking out) indoors in public a $1000 fine we should be able to open stuff like barbershops. As long as people are allowed to be selfish a-holes or ignoramuses, this isnt going to work. Hopefully we can open up more stuff before a vaccine.
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Les Miles did the hawk talk radio show live at Johnny’s West in Lawrence tonight. With an audience.
I don’t get it. Why not just do it in a studio or over the phone? This just seems like one of those easy things to skip.
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@DanR said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
Les Miles did the hawk talk radio show live at Johnny’s West in Lawrence tonight. With an audience.
I don’t get it. Why not just do it in a studio or over the phone? This just seems like one of those easy things to skip.
The deal with Hawk Talk was you had to make a reservation ahead of time because of the limited seating. Les wasn’t signing autographs or any interactions with fans and their set up was away from the diners. It was as safe as you could get.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Not as safe as doing a remote show. My sister called yesterday to reserve seats. Reply from the bar was “mistake on the publicity. No reservations.” She ended up not going because it sounded like no one really knew what was going on.
