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I watched some of the 08 game a couple of months ago and then watched the WUG’s. I noticed in the 08 title game there were times our defense was so good the opposing team had no one to throw the ball to because the KU guys were smothering their man to keep them from getting the pass. I noticed this in the WUG’s game as well. I think this team has been together long enough and has the defensive experience to be as good as the 08 team. I do think we need to work on offensive ball handling but if our wing man plays his true position all year like he did in WUG’s we will get to the final four. We did not play well in the title game: missed several bunnies and had some foul trouble but came out on top but it was not a perfect game by any means. Rush played an excellent game as a wing so I say we have about the same experience and talent just need some health and then create some much needed luck. We play a lot of basketball between now and March so anything can happen. This sure looks like the year but the NCAA may have other plans.

It is both and your not alone. Everything BS does is in preparation for the team to peak at the right time. He used the Big 12 tournament to prepare for the NCAA tournament. If he won some games so be it but his goal was to get back the 3 ball now that he had the inside game as good as it can be without his Easter Sunday recruit from Texas and Cliff. He played Green too much too often and lost the game because he was giving him a chance to get his 3 back. He thought that was better than winning the game. We are as ready now as we have been all year to have a chance at winning some games forward. Bring on WSU, we need this game to going forward to satisfy the critics that we are not afraid to play anyone anytime (gut check). I can’t believe the Clones punked us at KC, they must have bought those tickets in mass on the forward rows.

Snacks played for Self, he makes a place for him as long as he is productive regardless of his issues unless the higher ups put on the pressure. If Cliff would have played we would not be having this conversation and I don’t blame the NCAA. How else are they supposed to discourage this kind of thing from happening. There had to be some kind of consequence. Cliff’s family made a bad decision and if Snacks was like a “DAD” to Cliff they should have consulted him before talking to a dumb axx agent. Snacks may have been preoccupied with other things and lost his close ties with the family.

I’m more concerned about the players and coaches as a whole after watching the tournament. To me, and I’m definitely not as up on these things as the rest of your but I think we have a week bench of coaches kids to practice with. If we had some hungry recruits from local Junior colleges or on the edge high school standouts, walk on we would be better off. I also think we have traded out very fundamental assistant coaches for recruiter types because we are trying to land the OAD’s. BS has a hard job trying to juggle coaches and players that will give us a winning program but I will say this again, we lack a degree of fundamentals that these players should already know before coming to college.

Believe it or not, I coached women’s industrial league basketball many years ago and the simple basics were to bend your knees and get in a stance, see how fast you can slide across the floor, Stay between the other player and the basket, and use that big but to block out under the basket. I saw other players using these skills against us very successfully in the tournament. We don’t seem to even learn from playing games with well coached teams. We got whipped by a very hard nosed fundamentally sound team and so did UK. I thought the championship game was a great display of fundamental basket ball, but Bo lost track of what brought him thus far and got beat by a lesser team with a tournament seasoned coach. My point is that if Snacks is not going to teach fundamentals and hard nosed basketball and not come up with a recruit that understands the fundamentals before he gets here then we don’t need him. We don’t need a suit we need a roll up your sleeves hard nosed in your face beast. Someone Self has to keep on a leash. Someone who can coach even Perry into the NBA.

I, like others on this board have a tendency to rant and rave a little to get my frustrations out. As I comment more I see that it is therapeutic to say the least, but I am actually at work so I can’t put a lot of thought into these comments so don’t take me too serious. I ain’t too deep.

When one of you has time please tell how to address you individually and how to create my own icon as I have not been able to figure out how to do either. Is there a help page?

Obviously I did not communicate well. I assumed all assistant coaches can do both, recruit and coach. It just seems in the last couple of years we have lost something. So if I look to what has changed it would be coaches and the type of player we have. Morningstar, Releford, and the kid from Burlington (by the way I’m going to retire next year as you can see memory is the second thing to go). These were local prospects that seemed to have good fundamentals from day one. After 3 years in the system each could handle anyone on any on any given day. When they made a mistake they did not slip back into a comma they went after the next play. These are the type of kids that could teach by example what the OAD’s needed to know before Christmas.

By the way thank all of you for your comments about EASTER, I also feel we serve a Risen Savior. I’m not sure how I make it through the day without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and his help.

We have spent a century trying to communicate to one another with something other than the mail and telegraph when we finally got land lines . My Aunt was the operator in our small town in Kansas back in the fifties and even the early sixties on our party line. We had to talk to her to make a long distance call. To me texting is a kin to the telegraph. It set us back a century. I was at the neighbors house over the EASTER weekend with 12 kids and 4 pair of young adults with no TV. No one was communicating to each other but were all on their own phone on the internet or texting about what was on the internet or taking pitchers and posting them or or or or or or … In a few years we will not play on the hardwood we’ll just play the game on the computer, but maybe it will be with a peach basket.

I never was really sure if the NCAA kept Cliff from playing or was it Coach Self because he felt there would be 8 games vacated if Cliff played in them. There was just two much riding on the chances that this would turn bad at the time. Conference wins and NCAA tournament wins could have been vacated. I do feel Cliff was improving and that he would have played much more in those 8 games than he did at the first of the year. We needed him and that is what made it so frustrating. We needed those other 5 fouls and rebounding and he needed those last 8 games to show he belong in the NBA, but we will never know how it would have turned out just like the year before without Embed.

Coach Self is a master at team development and his teams don’t usually shine until the end of the season because he is always teaching and training and developing his players for improvement. Sometimes people get injured or just ware out. but sometimes they step it (TT) up and decide this is the time, it’s either now or never and sometimes they just don’t understand it is up to them not their momma or anyone else. Some people figure it out early because they have parents that help them along the way and some people don’t figure it out till later in life because they just don’t have the mentors or they think they don’t have to listen to mentors because they did not have the positive parenting that enables success. The world is full of achievers and non-achievers, extroverts and introverts, inherited traits and learned behavior. I’m not sure we can spend our time trying to figure out what actually transpired with Cliff because there may be too many variables in his life that any Coach or mentor can have a positive affect on.

Frank has a passion, and a toughness that inspires even me at 65 years old. I hope it translates into the league someday.

I do agree, as some of the best post I’ve read were health based and about what you guys ate and what affect it had on your body. Then how it would apply to the diets of these kids on the court. I’m sure there is some type of nutrition system for these kids if they actually follow it. Another post I remember was Jaybate’s post about Duke hand checking. I to enjoy reading these post but may not be qualified to comment although I did play some basketball years ago and love the game. I especially love the development of the Kids and the way Bill Self makes a difference in their lives.

I neglected to comment on this back when this first came up about coach Howard. But jabate makes a good point. Coach Howard has been gone and it does make a difference with 18 and 19 year old kids when things like this happen.

I spent some years in the mental health industry. Most of these organizations work through the judicial system. when someone gets arrested for illegal substance they usually get the same sentence that Coach Howard received, 6 months of probation which is usually monitored. When I say monitored I mean he has to go in at least once a week for a blood test to see if he is maintaining. My question then and now is how was he going back for his checkups without BS knowing and was he actually having to spend that time out of state. Has he actually been here all that time physically and mentally. Don’t get wrong I don’t think it is worth getting canned over if it has not had a negative affect on the Kids. Most of these kids have seen so much of this they probably do not see what the big issue is.

I can remember when Manning left I had some degree of apprehension because kids listen to a Star. When Dooley left I was concerned because I think I remember the kids talking about his relentless practice toughness.

Posting is not what I do best either but I do read most of the blogs here and at the other sight. This sight is obviously more in depth and I am very grateful as my mind has to reason out the losses and this sight actually add insight as to why things may happen without the #itching and I just hate to answer stupid questions for use.

I have faith in BS regardless of the losses. I think he has a better understanding of the talents of the other teams and respective coaches. He has to play all the angles and has been doing a good job for over 10 years. Again I can’t think of another person that I would rather have as a coach at this winning program.

I’m so stupid, I thought Bush was a Texas term because of the Bush’s that live down there and the thread was about Texas “shorthorns”, then after reading Mohawk I decided it was a comment about Kansas State, then I find out its about Beer. The kicker here is that I used to live in St Louis as well and everything is beer there. The Landing.

One reason I can see that would pull him to KU is that his Dad would consider KU as a very good transition from college ball to the next level. Being away from home for a year under Self’s guarantee of taking care of their son would be a much better situation than staying close to home. I say with Bragg and Self we win.

We have been hearing for years that the US is falling behind in basic high school skills. Could it be that there was no documentation of his Algebra grade in high school because they actually do Algebra in junior high in his country.

Statman: I have to agree but I will add that Perry is our leader and however he performs is the way the rest of the team performs. As long as he is our team leader this team will have problems. To me the big difference between the two teams last night was the emotion of MS in the last 8 minutes. This happens to us even in our league. The stoic Perry does not play with emotion and neither does his followers. I noticed that when Perry was elbowed in the nose last year during the Wichita game and had to leave the stadium the rest of the team stepped up and and actually made some progress. They rely too much on Perry who is not going to be a chest thumping emotional Thomas type player. We may win the Big 12 again this year but with Perry running the ship we will not be a national team because other teams have learned that all they have to do is put pressure on Perry and he will wilt which carries over into the rest of the team. Bill is committed to Perry and holds him up as an example of greatness so if he is the greatest the other guys have to emulate him.

We are a soft team lead by a soft forward and very young players. You all mentioned Danny Manning but I think we got our toughness from the fella that went to Florida to coach. Can’t recall his name but he was another player development coach but gave us a degree of toughness. This would not have happened with Thomas, or the twins on the floor.

Did anyone see all the screen moving from WV players, they were moving all over the place. At one point I commented to by wife that the screening guy had moved back and forth in an area of about 10 feet trying to hold of Mason from guarding Staten.

Bill is our coach and he will get us where we need to go as well as anyone in the country but man we just got beat up and did not fight back. We are a very soft team.

I read these posts and try to make a sense of the loss in general but all I can think about is a team full of blue bloods and a million dollar coach and not just one of the best programs in the country but the best program losing to lesser prospects and a supposedly lesser coach.

The only conclusion I can draw from this is:

We are young and have two freshmen OAD prospects that have no focus. How do you coach focus. Having experienced players must trump OAD’s and youth. We do not have experienced and tough bench players to practice with. We act like the other team is going to give it to us. When we say Weber can’t recruit does that mean he can’t recruit OAD’s or can’t recruit experience. It seems that Bill likes clean haircuts and clean cut tweeners but he calls them studs. I don’t see any studs. . If I was a coach how would I solve the problem of the other team playing harder and longer than our guys as has happened at WV, IS, KSU, OK. games.

I played some basketball in high school but was actually a very good football player (although I enjoyed playing basketball better) and our coach did not just teach us to be tough but made us tough, the kind of tough that Huggie and Martin understand. You have to practice tough. But it has to be drilled into the player for several years and I’m not sure we have that kind of time in the OAD world. Tough players don’t care about the crowd or where they are playing they just mean business all the time.

Now our basketball coach use to tell us if I see you acknowledge the crowd I will put you on the bench. If you get all happy because you made a good play and not thinking about your next move you will ride the pine as the only thing we will be happy about here is a win. The joy comes in the winning all the rest of the time you will be playing to win regardless if you are ahead or behind. I will make the adjustment to control the game not you and I don’t care if we are 20 points ahead in the last 2 minutes of the game.

Just me rambling, I’m an old grey hair as well.

Tonight will tell if the fellas pass the tough test. BS needed to work on inside game for awhile win or loose in conference. Win tonight and we are as ready as we will ever be. I wish we did not have a Big 12 Tournament as some schools get to rest for a week or so. Perry is ready and the trio on the inside are better than a month ago without Cliff. If good guards are what it takes to win the bracket war then we are better than we’ve been the last two years. What else can we do but jump on for the ride. I really don’t want this year to be over.

There is a deference in this site vs the other. There is a certain degree of respect or maturity that illuminates among the folks here. I personally have not seen the attacks here that I have seen on the other site that is why I feel I can have an opinion and express it here. With that said, I think the disciples all gathered around their teacher but all had different opinions because they came from all walks of life and experience as we do. But they all, though different, eventually died for the cause. We may not die for the cause but we certainly get red faced and upset when we lose for what appears to be the inability to play with passion. It has always been difficult to teach young people to see the bigger picture and I cringe win I see BS tongue lashing these young fellas in front of sixteen thousand people but that is what makes them have passion for something other than Facebook. My football coach got on to me mercifully when I was a kid. I thought I was the dumbest SOB on the planet. I ran more laps around the football field than all the rest of the team put together when I was a freshmen but at the end of the season I was the only freshmen that got to suit up and actually play on the varsity team. We all have to have trials to keep us going as we can’t win every game and we can’t always understand the other persons point of view but we can respect the knowledge and maturity of the folks who care enough to have an opinion what ever it is. We passionately care about the game that’s why when we loose we need a place to console ourselves in just reading and taking in what other have to contribute or we join in and relieve the stress. Either way its all good and prophetable for edification of the gathered.

In the manufacturing, service, and even the education environment there is a narrative that is based on the notion that in all the work force most people are the same and that there talents or education or experience does not have a great affect on there ability to perform. The idea is that the difference in performance is mostly related to a persons character not the above. The desire to win or try hard or think you are better than another player or team, may have more affect on winning than actual talent or coaching fundamentals. As good as BS is at fundamentals he seems to spend a lot of time building character.

Maybe there just isn’t that much difference in the ability of all the teams in the bracket. Maybe a 3 seed is not that much better than a 14 seeded team.

I would like to know which leagues have a league tournament because it seems to me we are always trying to get healthy for the NCAA tournament. Are we playing teams that have had two weeks of rest. Our league already plays each other twice so I’m not sure what a league tournament proves if in fact the NCAA is supposed to be what everyone is working towards.

If I and my son sat down a month ago and watched the NCAA tournament and saw KU light fumble all over Wichita State and then watched Duke win the championship would I say, gee son you need to go to KU they need some help or would I say wow look at Duke, that’s a winning program.

When KU won it in 08 we seemed to be the darlings for a while and recruiting seemed better but in the last couple of years we have had NCAA issues and untimely injuries that gave us some terrible losses. This has not helped the recruiting. Self will eventually right the ship but if we don’t get just a little more help this year we may not be able to sustain with the injuries into the summer and next season. Knee injuries are very hard to overcome.

Wow! take another look at the 08 final 4 game with NC and then tell me which one of these new recruits can play defense like those studs. I forgot how we won in 08 and it was about defense and experienced players on the court.

BS will play the new kids on the block sparingly and we will win the conference and then he will plug them in like he has tried to do the last two years after a season of experience injury permitting. The bigs will have to learn how to block and position without fouling as Cliff was trying to master. The guards will have to learn how to guard their man to keep them from getting the ball. If you watch the NC game there were times when NC had no one to pass the ball to because they were covered up with blue. We have not had that type of defense for a long time and I’m not sure we will have it this year as our upper class does not seem to understand it and therefore it may not transfer to the new kids on the block.

The one thing that could break this cycle would be two months of practices and several games that we would not normally get. This is a game changer. This team has the potential to be better than the 08 team barring any maturity, injury, or parental problems. Issues we cannot control. Self has done a tremendous job of recruiting and will have two months of extra practice and games. If he does not kill them in the process the basketball world will see what a real platoon looks like. Roooock Chaaaaalk!

It just makes my off season longer so there is no interest in buying hats or shirts for the grand kids on line. Don’t get interested till along in November. Can usually watch other big 12 teams so that helps. If its all about the money it looks like the folks in western Kansas could watch Colorado and just thumb their noses at Zenger’s follies and quit buying tickets or paraphernalia . Folks could get interested in Wichita. Kansas City folks could get interested in Missouri. I’ll bet this was all taken into consideration and the risk mitigated and we got flushed down the toilet and the powers to be are waiting for a consequence but that just isn’t happening.

Jaybate: I feel hurt, I feel attacked, That was the best approach to humor I’ve seen in while. But it was the medicine the string needed.

Self is the master of deception. Through the season he does not want to show the conference any film to game against the team. So he does all this stupid stuff just to drive the other coaches crazy. Sometimes it works and sometimes fails. With this he also gets to build his players in different ways and works on gaming against the other teams. Defense comes first and later on he works on offense. Some players have a hard time with things they do not have experience in, Kelly vs defense and Cliff vs offense.

Kelly has come around and tonight will be Alexanders night to shine as I think he can be the answer to Gipson if he plays well. I would be concerned about this team if Alexander does not play well tonight as that would tell us the Self did not hold him out to save him for this game. I’m not sure we beat TX without Alexander stepping up.

I would rather we just not talk about what we can do with the next game with UK, we can’t control the future but we can prepare for this game tonight and take them one at a time TX, WV, OK.

I’m not very good at expressing myself in this forum guys, so let me have a little practice.

Our bigs need to be careful rebounding around Riddley. I have noticed he will wait until you jump for a rebound and back arm you when your in the air and flip you on your back. I was thinking last year that it was just accidental but he does not do it in every game but to me it looks like he knows he is doing it. I have never seen him get called for it because he doesn’t bring his arm around to hook he just knocks you off your feet and you land on your back.

Ah, I think Duke is in third place in their league.

On my back table at work I have a photograph of the 08 team and I look at it each morning when I start my day. I have so appreciated these guys not because of their success but because of there different talents collected up by the master and shaken out as a team. My job deals with training and building quality circles and helping the normal person grow into a success. In some ways I see this team more like the 08 team. If Kelly would hurt his knew after the tournament and before the draft and come back the comparison would be a mirror next year. We would have the guards, wings, and the inside game if we work on it. This year it seems like we have the 07 team. It takes time and a lot of reps. to build a BS team, and he will have another championship sooner rather than latter meanwhile we will just keep winning home games and more than half of our away games in the league and win the big 12 every year. That’s what Blue Bloods programs do.

Bad ball assumes you have the energy to go for 40 minutes. You have to have a very good guard and some forwards that don’t mind running up and down the court for their health. In WV case you have to be able to take a cussing without choking the coach to death. As they say WV kids come from places the grass don’t grow in the yard and no parents to bother you. Hugs is doing the raising.

That’s not Bill Self’s style and I can appreciate that to some extent. Some of these kids are not all that tough but BS can help that along and going to college can help that as well. It does take getting away from Mom and spending more time with other kids from other places in the world. That usually takes a couple of years.

I think elephants eat wheat.

I very much enjoyed what I could watch of the shocker losers.

What is a class III in Ohio? After seeing the video’s on him it seemed like he dominated the other kids and there was very little defensive resistance. He was dribbling around people like they weren’t there. He seems to have speed and agility and gregarious was one of the adjectives used to describe him. My observation is that he is a Perry opposite.

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Selden would be the logical choice but I think it depends on injuries. This team right now seems beat up. I’m hoping they can nurse their injuries over the summer but with all the practice and extra playing time they may not. After this week we should no more about recruits and if we end up with 3 we will be on our way for a good year with just taking care of injuries. We need to be deep in all positions to compete in the big 12 and all these kids will get playing time to keep injuries down. Selden needs to work on ball handling this summer because if we recruit another Wiggins type he will have a chance to play some guard. At times this year we needed taller guard play and we needed to spell off the two we overworked this year. This is going to be a long year with several practices and several potential games over the summer. The players we have are very capable of winning 30 games but with 3 high impact recruits we can have enough depth we won’t have to worry about injuries. Also think the current players know they need help and it will be welcomed. No one is going to transfer.

If this could actually be done it would be tremendous but the NCAA probably has some rule against it or everyone would be doing it. Could it be done under City Recreation with maybe local high school kids as well so it wouldn’t look like an arm of the University.

This is obviously a wonderful day for KU fans and coaches to land a premier big man. What strikes me as important is the way he played at the McDonald’s game. A room full of elite OAD hopefuls protecting their nobility and a guy who just goes out and plays his heart out. Robinson like is the ingredient that we needed in the mix. Good job coach!!!

The Big 12 is a tough place to play and with Smart in Texas it will only get worse (better). Depth may not seem affective because we only play 8 or 9 players but we could have used some strong depth at the end of this season and last because of injuries. I say swing for the fences and get all the strong depth we can get and develop.

With that said: Duke kicked a guy to the curb to land playing time for Ingram, I don’t see Bill Self’s character doing something like that, but he has a good record of red shirting and managing kids leaving.

I think Cliff was hurt last year as well. Can you imagine practicing and fighting for position all year with the four bigs we had. When I played the game practice was always more of a challenge than the the games especially when I was an underclassmen. I think I read or heard this once last year that Larry Brown and Self have a philosophy that if your have problems the best way to approach it is more, practice, practice, then more practice. When you put that with Two games each with the conference teams and the tough non-conference schedules not the mention the big 12 tournament we’ve had the last two years, it seems to me that we are just completely banged up by March. Again, I’m a little concerned about the summer practicing, exhibition and World Games. It just seems like a team that can make it to March without injuries they have the best chance of final four participation. That’s where a think the argument of winning the Big 12 at all cost and then treating the NCAA tournament as an aside if we have anything left gets its fair share of attention on this board. The platoon game keeps kid from injuries because the kids are not exhausted at the end of games. In the Big 12 the games are a battle to the end so the chances of getting hurt are greater. I,m not advocating the platoon system but I do think we cannot be deep enough at all positions. It seems to me that depth is the only answer to winning both the Big 12 and the tournament. I think we could have went further last year if we would have had a deeper bench mainly Hunter, and Svi. I think they should have played more based on the injuries we are finding out about now.

He just last week hired an agent so do you think that removes some of his leverage because the owners know he can’t return. Now they have him so lets play with his head to get a better deal.

What I like about Vick will no doubt be coached away. We have lost some games because some guard made a forty footer that caught us completely off guard and it looks like Vick has that ability. He may be a little light but he can drain a 37 footer when he wants.

I have thought about this myself especially the last two years in just observing KU and other games. I felt the Wichita game was a good example of good basic below the rim technique because of experience. Even the elbow placed in the right place at the right time was affective. I also watched the Cliff workout and saw a different person. Where the hale did this kid come from?

Some of these things have to be taught at the high school level but I notice when watching highlight reals there is really no defense. It looks like a lot of mediocre players running up and down the court with one kid dominating and getting fed the ball because he is obviously more physically gifted.

I can say some of it is youth. Again I have coached woman’s industrial league basket ball and it took the team I coached the second year before the basics really caught on. I was raised up in a gym so it was second nature to me but it does take awhile to learn. Game experience helps because you get burnt and the coach pulls you out and helps you with a learning moment then the whole teams gets to revisit it in practice. I think we won one game the first year and the next year went almost undefeated because we new how to actually play the game.

Watching the technical growth of a team is very fulfilling to me and is the very reason I like to watch Bill Self coach these kids up. Sometimes it takes a team longer and sometimes they don’t get it because they don’t have the right fundamental leadership in upperclassmen. But it is very rewarding to me when they create good visible plays and execute them beautifully.

I’m not sure we hire technique coaches because I would assume the current coaches know what to coach but it takes the right mix of kids to practice and working together in a competitive atmosphere and then have the team spirit that is needed to jell. I think it is harder to do with kids today with the difference in work ethic and expectation leaders that can’t really put a lot of Bobby Knight like pressure on kids. It might damage there ego in some way. We have to put them on a stationary bike or run them up and down bleachers. They are not leaning technique during that type of development. So the lazy kids in practice are spending their time being disciplined while the other kids are learning technique. So maybe Cliff can look good shooting around for twenty minutes but he can’t play basketball.

We could actually put 5 guards on the floor.

Is Michelson related to the pro golfer?

What happened to his ACT test? There are a lot of home school kids in the US today that are doing fine going on to college but they do have to take some type of high school equivalency test. I’m not sure I understand why this is an issue. Unless he has failed his ACT test or equivalency test. Maybe he is being tested and tutored some for retaking these tests.

I thought we hired a black football coach a few years back. I think we all want to win games and if we could hire a Chinese midget to do that I would not care. I don’t care who coaches these kids if they are of good character and develop their potential. If we need better housing for the basketball players (black) we spend millions and they live better than the other 25000 paying students. I don’t see that as a quota system as it is a way to attracted players and coaches. We are helping kids live up to the potential they didn’t even know they had. (Bam Bam). There are some players and coaches that would not consider coming to the mid west to do anything. That’s why coach Self recruits specific types of kids more than others as he has prejudices. He does not do well with Marcus Smart types of kids what ever color they are. We hired the best coach we could find for our ladies basketball program and hopefully we will mirror our men’s program in a few years. It’s not his fault he stands to pee. He has worked hard and has been successful wherever he has been. I used to work in a business that had a sandwich truck come in everyday at noon and the guys just loved it because the woman was dressed in skimpy outfits with platinum blond hair and heels. When she came to our facility she always used our office restroom for a pit stop. The girls in the office got to noticing that when she left, the lid was always up on the stool, which was not to ordinary so they got to listening and could hear her left the lid when she started her business. Maybe our new ladies coach is a woman. Who knows and who really cares if we are successful.