Jaybate, what is your gut telling you with these pipe bombs?
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BShark said:
Trump has used stirring up hate and divisiveness as his platform, so I do think it is fair to say he played a role in some of the recent events. You can’t shake up a soda can and then say oh it’s not my fault when it sprays everywhere.
Fair enough but you don’t think the Dem party doesn’t deserve some of the blame?
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@DoubleDD I think Trump it to blame, not either particular party. Though the two party system in itself creates divisiveness and is an issue. Too many people make everything us vs them and vote straight Dem or Rep tickets w/o considering issues and voting records…
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Ok explain why?
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Lets keep in mind Trump has gotten blamed and accused of everything under the sun?
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At some point a person says come on.
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Is he guilty of some things sure, but is he to blame for everything? I don’t think so.
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I wasn’t a big fan of Obama but I didn’t blame him for everything and I voted for him in his second term.
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Believe it or not I’m not a big fan of Obama either. At the end of the day he was just full of platitudes and really didn’t do much of anything. Pushed a highly compromised health care bill through. The Democrats could have pushed things through in Obama’s first two years. So what did they actually do? They bailed out the upper ownership of the banks, expanded the insurance industry, moderately expanded Medicaid, and passed an okay stimulus bill. And the military (Lockheed Martin, Boeing) got their usual big forever raises too. Yet not a single increase to minimum wage.
So, I wouldn’t say I’m hardcore Democrat or Republican. I’m on the side of humanity, and common sense. This is a side that Trump strongly opposes.
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I"m sorry I didn’t mean it like that. Just I think it’s crazy to blame one person or party for everything.
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@DoubleDD He is the leader of this country and his campaign ran on divisiveness and white supremacy. The country is now reaping what they sowed when he won the election. Domestic terrorism has been more prevalent than ever under Trump, in part because he’s been encouraging it.
I’m not blaming him for everything, but he is the POTUS and ran on a dangerous and embarrassing platform.
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@DoubleDD you voted for Obama? Man, have you considered that you might have changed a lot since then?
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According to the ADL, anti-semitic hate crimes rose 57% in 2017. The largest single year increase on record.
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BShark said:
@DoubleDD He is the leader of this country and his campaign ran on divisiveness and white supremacy. The country is now reaping what they sowed when he won the election. Domestic terrorism has been more prevalent than ever under Trump, in part because he’s been encouraging it.
I’m not blaming him for everything, but he is the POTUS and ran on a dangerous and embarrassing platform.
Does not the Dem party preach on the Black vote, the Woman vote, The Latino vote and so on. So are you upset that Trump tapped into the Midwest vote that is mostly white?
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approxinfinity said:
You voted for Obama? Man, have you considered that you might have changed a lot since then?
No sarcasm needed. You can join @mayjay in that safe place if you want. I voted for Obama because I thought he was the better candidate in his second term.
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@BShark funny thing… You said you are for humanity and common sense. Trump said this would be the election of Kavanaugh, the caravan, some other wedge issues I can’t recall and… common sense. He’s right about that! I hope common sense is still common and we can elect people that aren’t complicit.
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@DoubleDD i was being serious. The way you defend Trump I would have assumed you thought Obama was the Devil.
I hope that you are still someone who might vote for the next candidate that isn’t endorsed by Fox if they are the better candidate.
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Am I upset that he tapped the racist, Nazi vote? Yes I would say that I am.
Obviously not all white people are racist Nazis. Trump absolutely operated on that platform though.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD i was being serious. The way you defend Trump I would have assumed you thought Obama was the Devil.
I hope that you are still someone who might vote for the next candidate that isn’t endorsed by Fox if they are the better candidate.
Oh I always vote for the best candidate, but I’m sure we can count on you Msnbc/Cnn Dem candidate regardless of what they say.
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@DoubleDD I don’t think you will. Sorry man. I just don’t think you would give a liberal candidate a chance, even if he/she were the better option.
I don’t watch MSNBC, or CNN. I watched a little CNN during the Hurricane so I could make fun of their reporting. That’s about it.
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BShark said:
Am I upset that he tapped the racist, Nazi vote? Yes I would say that I am.
Obviously not all white people are racist Nazis. Trump absolutely operated on that platform though.
Really? There is like 500 Nazi in the whole country. Wake up the KKK is dead. The Dem party created Trump. As they attacked white men. Like somehow white me are racist just because of the color of our skin. Just like the Black Americans rose up and won their freedom so will White Americans rise up against this Dem perception that if your a white an your a sexist and racist.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD I don’t think you will. Sorry man. I just don’t think you would give a liberal candidate a chance, even if he/she were the better option.
I don’t watch MSNBC, or CNN. I watched a little CNN during the Hurricane so I could make fun of their reporting. That’s about it.
You’ve never voted for a rep/conservative in your life and your telling me what and how I would vote? Really? Please lets try to be fair. You’re as closed minded as they come.
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I literally just said not all white people are racist in the same post. Are you even reading what I am writing? Trump operated on racist platforms, period.
@mayjay I feel your pain brother.
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YOu always want evidence and facts. Ever notice it has to be from the websites and news channels you tap into?
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@BShark We can all go running to our safe place together–the real world.
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Yet you think Trump playing into the White man vote is racist, but you have no problem with the Dem party playing into the Black, Gay, Woman, and latino vote. You don’t see that is racist?
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mayjay said:
@BShark We can all go running to our safe place together–the real world.
OH so @approxinfinity comes out to play now you come out of your safe place. LOL
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DoubleDD said:
Yet you think Trump playing into the White man vote is racist, but you have no problem with the Dem party playing into the Black, Gay, Woman, and latino vote. You don’t see that is racist?
Gay and trans people deserve equal rights. They don’t have them yet.
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@DoubleDD I don’t think you’re wrong about the double standard regarding racial politics, or that the Democrats had a heavy hand to play in “creating” Trump. But Trump goes way beyond just seeking equality regarding race politics. He’s a hate monger.
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No argument but that’s not the point. Why is it ok for the Dem party to tap into a certain group of sex, color, and so on. Yet when Trump taped into the White man race he played a race card?
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@DoubleDD that’s because the things that Fox News says are verifiably BS, and they’re so in bed with Trump they make Russian hookers look tame.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD I don’t think you’re wrong about the double standard regarding racial politics, or that the Democrats had a heavy hand to play in “creating” Trump. But Trump goes way beyond just seeking equality regarding race politics. He’s a hate monger.
I don’t think he is a hate monger but I do see your point in that regard. I just don’t think he plays political correctness. He just says what’s on his mind. Which agree can be taken the wrong way.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD I don’t think you’re wrong about the double standard regarding racial politics, or that the Democrats had a heavy hand to play in “creating” Trump. But Trump goes way beyond just seeking equality regarding race politics. He’s a hate monger.
This.
It would be foolish to deny the facts. Hate crimes and domestic terrorist acts are UP during Trump’s tenure.
When you spout things like building the wall, it’s bound to happen.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD that’s because the things that Fox News says are verifiably BS, and they’re so in bed with Trump they make Russian hookers look tame.
Just like the liberal media can’t give him any credit for anything.
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@DoubleDD Look, if you can prove that something I quote is factually incorrect, I hope you know I’d be the FIRST to acknowledge it.
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Hey give me a sec I need to talk to my wife and smoke a cig. If your still up we can continue. if not have a good night.
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@mayjay “These bombs are just a false flag trying to make us look bad” says the party who steals babies and puts them in cages.
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@BShark The Donald said during the campaign that “the 2nd Amendment people” could make sure that Hillary would never appoint any Sup Ct justices if she were elected. But how could anyone interpret that as encouraging violence?
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You could rewrite Billy Joel’s “We Didnt Start the Fire” complete with all the morally corrupt or incompetent stuff Trump and the Republicans have done in his first two years alone.
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Someone beat me to it:
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD that’s because the things that Fox News says are verifiably BS, and they’re so in bed with Trump they make Russian hookers look tame.
I have what i believe is a very valid/fair question for you. Why is its that you watch Fox News so much that you know that as you put it…the things Fox News says are verifiable BS; only a person that watches that network a lot would be able to make that type of statement, don’t you think? If it is so bad, I would think you would avoid watching it altogether.
To a resonable observer, the MSM is a lot more closely allied with Liberals/Democratic Party that Trump is with Fox. There are several hosts/analysts at Fox that are very anti-Trump starting withe Shepard Smiths and Juan Williams and even Chris Wallace is very anti Trump although not as overt as the others. Is there anyone at CNN or MSNBC or any of the networks that are equivalent?
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BShark said:
@mayjay “These bombs are just a false flag trying to make us look bad” says the party who steals babies and puts them in cages.
And what party would that be who steal babies and puts them in cages? The children in cages is just fake news that never happened, the cages were used as props during a staged protest by illegal aliens…during the Obama administration…and were never used by ICE and yet protest leaders doubled down on it knowing that the the photos were fake.
Let me ask you a question. What happens if in your way home with your kids, you or any American citizen are stopped by the police and arrested for cause, say you caused an accident, would your kids be allowed to go to the detention center with you? I think not. Social Services would be called and in the absence of the other parent they would be places in a different location, right? Illegal aliens come in knowing full well that they are breaking the law and bring their kids to prevent being deported on the spot knowing their kids will be taken as is the case in every other lawful arrest/detention. Why should illegal aliens that willfully break the law have more rights than an American citizen?
BTW, the kids that are separated from their parent are not placed in cages but in facilities orders of magnitude better than any thing they have known and cost the American Taxpayers upwards of $30K per year.
If you don’t want to be detained and separated from your kids then don’t come here illegally and expect special privileges. Millions of immigrants come into the country legally every year, why should law breakers that try to jump to the front of the line get special privileges?
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@JayHawkFanToo this administration separated children with no means of reuniting them with their parents, and refused to acknowledge that this was a policy, thereby causing no update to the software or procedure to reunite. The inability to reunite is terrible; either a collosal f–k up, or a deliberately negligent and cruel act, in an effort to further dissuade undocumented immigrants.
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@JayHawkFanToo I pay attention to Fox News more than I do CNN and MSNBC, because Fox News poses the greatest threat to our country at the moment. I think we know why.
To a resonable observer, the MSM is a lot more closely allied with Liberals/Democratic Party that Trump is with Fox.
Being more in league with the truth is not the same as being “closely allied wiht Liberals/Democratic Party”. Corrolation is not causation.
There are several hosts/analysts at Fox that are very anti-Trump starting withe Shepard Smiths and Juan Williams and even Chris Wallace is very anti Trump although not as overt as the others. Is there anyone at CNN or MSNBC or any of the networks that are equivalent?
I have never heard of the first two people. I wonder what their viewership numbers are. I do appreciate you calling out that there are a few hosts that are reasonable, and I promise you I will seek them out. Do you possibly have clips in mind that I should check out? No worries if not; would save me time. My biggest concern is those people that are in bed with Trump and have the biggest viewership (Hannity, ex), i.e. the people doing the most damage, and most exemplifying state run media.
I keep thinking back to the binge watching of Jordan Peterson I did a few months back. He had some decent moments, but one thing that stuck out as flat wrong and damaging was his argument that conservatives are more moral people. Maybe this is true if you think that conservatives self-identify more as being absolute in their convictions, but the truth of the matter is that Donald Trump has shown how far conservative morals can slide, and have slid. This is not just a “he’s got moral issues but his policies are good with me” kind of thing. You can’t absolve yourself of his influence over you. He’s build a tower of rhetoric and lies around him that you have to buy into, and have bought into by taking Fox News seriously.
His relationship with Fox News is undeniable, and once again, the things they say on Fox are verifiably BS. Just as importantly, the BS and hateful things that Trump says and his administration does that they do not report or explain away invalidates their credibility as a news source. They do enough to be seriously damaging to the grasp that the people of this country have on reality.
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It was a joke, for effect. I didn’t mean ACTUAL cages.
Anyway, I have seen some videos where ICE has arrested ACTUAL US CITIZENS just because they were Mexican/speaking Spanish, that pisses me off.
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I don’t know what to make of your answer. You say you watch Fox News and yet you don’t know who Shepard Smith is and he has been with Fox News since its inception in 1996 and is the channel’s chief news anchor and managing editor of the breaking news division. Smith is the former host of Fox News’ evening newscast, The Fox Report with Shepard Smith, and Studio B. In 2013, Shepard Smith Reporting replaced Studio B. He is extreme anti Trump. Juan Williams, formerly of of NPR and PBS, has been with Fox for several year now since he was fired by NPR/PBS and he is a regular panel member on the. Sunday Fox show with Chris Wallace and several other show shows and extremely liberal and rabidly anti Trump. This is the equivalent of saying you follow KU basketball closely and yet don’t know who Kurtis Townsend or Norm Roberts are.
As far as BS, look at how many times recently CNN had to retract flat out lies it published. How about NBC that withheld exculpatory evidence during the Kavanaugh saga? You are quick to indicate Fox publishes lies but I have not seen where you have shown any and you have not mentioned the actual lies published by the MSM.
A friend of mine, former Assistant City Enginner for the City of Hutchinson (I did send his name to @Crimsonandblue12 at one time to see if she knew him) and a very liberal democrat was staying at my house and, much like you, kept saying he did not watch Fox News because it was all lies. I asked him how he knew that since he did not watch Fox and his answer was…everybody knows Fox lies and is extreme right. I suggested that instead of listening to others he should see it for himself and watch Fox News for one week and form his own opinion. He did and at the end of the week he had changes his mind. He said that every show he watched that had guests, there always were guest from both sides and with differing opinions. He was actually very surprised by this because it was not what he expected, but again, a lot of the criticism of Fox News is by people that don’t even watch it.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I don’t know what to make of your answer. You say you watch Fox News and yet you don’t know who Shepard Smith is and he has been with Fox News since its inception in 1996 and is the channel’s chief news anchor and managing editor of the breaking news division. Smith is the former host of Fox News’ evening newscast, The Fox Report with Shepard Smith, and Studio B. In 2013, Shepard Smith Reporting replaced Studio B. He is extreme anti Trump. Juan Williams, formerly of of NPR and PBS, has been with Fox for several year now since he was fired by NPR/PBS and he is a regular panel member on the. Sunday Fox show with Chris Wallace and several other show shows and extremely liberal and rabidly anti Trump. This is the equivalent of saying you follow KU basketball closely and yet don’t know who Kurtis Townsend or Norm Roberts are.
This is a major stretch. I never claimed to be a fan of Fox News. I was very explicit in saying that my attention to Fox News centers around the shows that do the most damage, specifically Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, who are the #2 and #3 rated hosts in 2018, whereas Shepard Smith is #19.
I have seen countless utter horsesh-- clips from these two clowns (Carlson and Hannity) and I’m certain how I feel about them. I don’t dispute that there should likely be less detestable people on Fox; I told you I’d watch Smith or Williams. Was there any particular coverage that you think was well done and unbiased that I should look up? Are they tearing Trump a new a-hole for wanting to change the Constitution via executive order?
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So here’s what Shepard Smith said about the caravan:
“There is no invasion. No one is coming to get you. There’s nothing at all to worry about.”
And yes, regarding the executive order conversation on birthright citizenship he was critical of Trump.
That makes me wonder, do you yourself watch Shepard Smith?
Did you, back in 2013 when he was the #3 trusted anchor on TV, before Fox decided to move him to the 3pm slot?
Is it any surprise that I know who the 8, 9, and 10 pm slot anchors are?
Why do you think Fox moved Smith to the 3pm slot and filled the 8, 9, and 10 pm slots with Carlson, Hannity, and Ingraham?
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I see what the issue is. You are lumping together the news division with the opinion shows. Shepard Smith has always been and still is part of the news group and not the opinion group like Hannity and Carlson are. He is now in the top news time slot which is in the afternoon while the top time slots for opinionix are in the evening. Smith is now so biased against Trump that he has lost credibility and viewership and he is making the news more like opinion which is not what the news division is or should be about, i.e. report the news not make the news.
I never said you were a fan of Fox, actually it is quite the contrary; however you did indicate that you watch it closely but your lack of knowledge of its line up would indicate the opposite and once you start citing numbers it indicates more of a Google search than actual hands on…or perhaps eyes on…experience. Just my observation.
