Well that was fun or was it?



  • So KU won now we have bragging rights? Right? @HighEliteMajor would say so. Yet when the Monday edition of the KC star comes out tomorrow what will it say? Will it say MU so close? Will it say MU to young right now? Will it say MU had KU just ran out of gas? Will it say MU has proven it can be special this year?

    So what did KU gain? I mean they won. Will the KC star say KU wins again? Will they say KU just to good? Will they say KU continues its dominance of MU?

    What would’ve happened if KU had lost this game? Well I know I would feel sorry for KU fans living in the the KC area. Because even if KU went on to win the Big 12 again? It would have been yea but you couldn’t beat MU. So MU is the champion of the Big 12.

    So @HighEliteMajor what does KU gain from playing and winning this game? What relief? Is the talking heads of the KC media going to be like well KU beat MU so now we know they are legit? Are they going to say well KU outlasted MU so we know their on their way to being a great team?

    No starting tomorrow we KU fans are going to hear about how much potential MU has. How close they are. How this could be a special season for MU basketball.

    So I ask again @HighEliteMajor what did KU gain? To answer your question? KU fans out gave the MU fans for the hurricane relief. Nothing more and nothing less. Come tomorrow all the talk is going to be about MU basketball.

    KU basketball gained nothing by playing this game other than showing they are a charitable fan base.

    Was it worth it?



  • Yes it was worth it. What a terrible question. Exciting event, both teams played hard.



  • @BShark

    Hey you have to believe what you must. I disagree.



  • @BShark

    By the way it is a great question.



  • I think you are reading into it too much. Who cares what the Star writes?

    Interested in @HighEliteMajor’s reply.



  • I think playing a talented team in real game pressure will only help for an important early season game like against UK. I mean, their exhibition game is against Morehead State. You don’t learn anything from a game like that. Missouri, on the other hand, has some serious talent, length, height and shooters. It also showed that Dok, Billy and Malik can make plays in a high pressure game like this (because honestly, all the pressure was really on KU not to lose).

    I don’t know why anyone would say this was a bad idea. I saw a lot of good things today.



  • HawkChamp said:

    I think playing a talented team in real game pressure will only help for an important early season game like against UK. I mean, their exhibition game is against Morehead State. You don’t learn anything from a game like that. Missouri, on the other hand, has some serious talent, length, height and shooters. It also showed that Dok, Billy and Malik can make plays in a high pressure game like this (because honestly, all the pressure was really on KU not to lose).

    I don’t know why anyone would say this was a bad idea. I saw a lot of good things today.

    Well said.

    This was basically a real game. 7 fouls obviously changed things, but the intensity was there.



  • @HawkChamp

    You make the right point. All the pressure was on KU. Should an exhibition game have that much merit. I know your giddy but what if KU lost? It’s easy to pound the chest when our Jayhawks win?

    Yet MU came out with nothing to lose and KU came out with everything to lose. Glad to see our Jayhawks responded.

    yet is it worth it?



  • “Was it worth it?”

    I’ll tell you after the Kentucky game.



  • Even if KU lost they would have learned some things. It helps to play another good team and I think this is much better than any other exhibition except MAYBE Wichita State. Whomping DII teams is meh and scrimmaging against a random other D1 team the intensity won’t be there.



  • @drgnslayr I think our guys will be more prepared than they will be.



  • @BShark

    I get it your a fiery person. Yet should exhibition games be this tough? Isn’t the noncon Schedule used for toughness building?

    Aren’t exhibition games used for tune ups? ’

    MU had nothing to lose? KU had everything to lose?

    I’m also afraid that even though KU are the victors. Come tomorrow you and I are gong to hear nothing but how special MU basketball can be this year.



  • @DoubleDD I think it seems like you care too much about local radio chucklehead talking points. I only care how much it helps KU as a team. Everything to lose? It’s a basketball game.



  • Bill Self on the Border War: “We’re going to do what’s best for us. We’re not interested in doing what’s best for Missouri.”



  • Better question is: would you have preferred to play more head state and win by 30 and not get the experience of playing a good team?



  • Bill Self on the game: “I thought it was certainly more intense than a lot of games we’ll play prior to (Big 12 play).”



  • @BShark

    I’m not that shallow of a person. Yet I do know that as a fan you love the experience. You love reading articles and watching stuff on your team. Am I wrong? Perception is Everything. Sadly MU painted a picture with a little more seasoning they are to beloved.

    So even though KU played the game and won they gained nothing. Well except that our fans are very charitable fans. However I’m not ESPN and the talking heads will remember that.



  • Self says he and Martin agreed not to play any zone defense, just man defense every series. Says he didn’t go in with much strategy



  • @HawkChamp

    In an exhibition game? I would rather play a team that I know KU can beat. Not play somebody that has the talent and nothing to lose, yet everything to gain.

    I get it. It was a major fund raiser type event. I think the last totals were over a couple million. Good stuff.

    Yet who really benefited from this game KU or MU?



  • @BShark

    Let’s not forget the 7 fouls? LOL



  • We gained tremendously. This was 'Tucky prep. Tucky prep is very important. They will be our highest rated opponent- it is essential we win that game. We played someone that challenged us. Absolutely, we have way more to lose- which is why it was important we answered the challenge. Anytime you take on an inferior opponent, the pressure is always on the favorite. You view challenging the team as a bad thing - I look at it as a positive thing.



  • @KUSTEVE

    Seriously who did you walk away with more impressed with?

    Remember MU is young and very talented. KU is pretty much set.

    Should KU play this type of exhibition type of game? Especially against a team that has the talent to beat and nothing to lose?

    Who has more to gain? MU or KU? MU is young and talented so they get the benefit of the doubt. KU is kind of set.

    Do feel comfortable playing this MU team in the tournament?



  • DoubleDD said:

    @HawkChamp

    In an exhibition game? I would rather play a team that I know KU can beat. Not play somebody that has the talent and nothing to lose, yet everything to gain.

    I get it. It was a major fund raiser type event. I think the last totals were over a couple million. Good stuff.

    Yet who really benefited from this game KU or MU?

    Actually honestly this game is going to benefit KU alot. - - I think it fares better for them, the team gets more out of a game where they are really challenged then playing the Emporia States - -Washburn - -where it’s nothing more then a glorified scrimmage. - -Tests the players right out the chute.

    Like Coach said in his post game - -he will be able to go back and show the team a lot of game film and things they have to work on. - -It will help us be better prepared for games against teams like Kentucky and such. - -Missou is going to be ALL RIGHT. - -I just think overall this helps much more then playing against like the one’s we got coming up in your other two exhibitions. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @jayballer54

    I hope your right. Because I’m telling you. The KU fans that live in the KC area you about to get a big dose of MU basketball.



  • @DoubleDD It was an exhibition - - it made for a lot better contest - game condition experience - - overall these types of exhibitions are better makes teams more battle tested, gives more opportunity to really see where you have work to do. - - You really don’t gain much against these other exhibitions. - -Let me in turn ask you , would you rather Billy, and Marcus get game time experience against the likes of the players of Mizzou - -or Washburn - who you think will benefit them the most? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



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  • @jayballer54

    In non-con games no. They should be tune up games. Think KU just beat a very young an talented MU team and it counts for nothing.

    Now KU fans are going to hear how great the MU team can be. You’re not going to hear much about KU and their win.

    I just don’t see how KU gained anything from this, other than showing that KU fans are some of the must giving fans of any.

    Maybe that is what I should focus on?



  • @DoubleDD You keep talking about relief and what teams have to lose. Sounds like KU hoops games might be a difficult experience for you. Hopefully not!



  • @BShark

    I’m sorry I didn’t quite understand your post. I’m I bit slow. I’ll need layman terms. No serious I’m not sure what your point is?



  • DoubleDD said:

    @jayballer54

    I hope your right. Because I’m telling you. The KU fans that live in the KC area you about to get a big dose of MU basketball.

    The question that needs to be asked is - -who benefits more out of this - -The KU players OR the KU fans ? - -Which is more important? - - Ask those same fans which they would rather watch - -KU & Mizzery? - -OR KU & MU?. - - - why even worry about what the Mizzou people say - who cares? - -The way to shut that shit up quick - - What’s the Scoreboard say - -nuff said right? - -whether we beat their ass by 25 - -OR 5 -bottom line KU won - - bottom line was way more beneficial, stiffer competition. - -What do we gain other then helping the in state schools financially by playing them - -how does playing them benefit us other then maybe making us feel full of ourselves - -give us maybe OVER confidence in ourselves - -we gain really nothing from playing teams such as Washburn - -Emporia State and such - -this is much better. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @jayballer54

    That is strong medicine. Good stuff. You make a good point.

    Yet can you see where I’m coming from? Why give MU the love?



  • @DoubleDD like others have said, this game is perfect prep for Kentucky. Missouri personnel wise is very similar to them. We would not have had this prep under normal conditions so I will take it every time. Will it pay off? We’ll find out on the 14th.



  • @DoubleDD I see your point I just disagree with it.



  • @HawkChamp

    Hey I’ve respected you in the past and I respect you now. So I hope right.

    Can I ask you a question though. Are you ok with KU playing such a tough exhibition game. I mean if KU loses its bad. Right? I don’t know just trying to make a good conversation.

    I like what your saying though.



  • HawkChamp said:

    @DoubleDD like others have said, this game is perfect prep for Kentucky. Missouri personnel wise is very similar to them. We would not have had this prep under normal conditions so I will take it every time. Will it pay off? We’ll find out on the 14th.

    I think regardless of what happens in the UK game, this was good. Good practice with the length and size Missouri has in a real game atmosphere. Self will have ammo on tape with that poor first half effort to show what happens when you do that vs a real team. Can play the same way against Fort Hays or whoever and still be well up. Being behind helps the message sink in better.



  • DoubleDD said:

    @jayballer54

    In non-con games no. They should be tune up games. Think KU just beat a very young an talented MU team and it counts for nothing.

    Now KU fans are going to hear how great the MU team can be. You’re not going to hear much about KU and their win.

    I just don’t see how KU gained anything from this, other than showing that KU fans are some of the must giving fans of any.

    Maybe that is what I should focus on?

    But it DOES count for something. - -Again it gives our young players experience against a group of talented guys - -there is no negative for playing this against what yes true is going to be a good team. - - Games like this is so valuable - -putting to much in what the fans are going to hear - -who cares? - -I don’t - -they lost period. -KU wins so much you never really do hear a lot when we win until NCAA time or possibly against other blue bloods , when your on top of the pile that the way it is - -it’s kind of a given for us to win.

    Kind of falls in line with if and when someone does beat KU they always storm the floor. at the end because it just doesn’t happen that often - -so in those games they storm, they talk and talk about it. - -How many times do you see KU fans storm the floor even after beating other blue bloods very close to zilch - - because we expect to win it is a normal given - -same thing when we when you just don’t hear it talked up nearly as much but other teams for sure do - -let them who cares - -if this benefits our players - I don’t give a rats ass about what Mizzery people say - -let them talk. again look at the scoreboard - -end of story. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @DoubleDD it would have sucked in the worst of ways if we lost. But there is risk in everything. This was a risk I was willing to take because of the potential pay off due to the fact that Kentucky is the only real opponent in our non con. It’s almost a must win for the resume. If we lose on the 14th, I won’t feel any different because it is ALWAYS a good thing to play a top twenty five team, which I believe MU is.



  • HawkChamp said:

    @DoubleDD it would have sucked in the worst of ways if we lost. But there is risk in everything. This was a risk I was willing to take because of the potential pay off due to the fact that Kentucky is the only real opponent in our non con. It’s almost a must win for the resume. If we lose on the 14th, I won’t feel any different because it is ALWAYS a good thing to play a top twenty five team, which I believe MU is.

    No doubt Missouri has top 25 talent.

    Tilmon, MPJ, Robertson, Barnett is a really good top 4.

    The younger Porter needs to know he isn’t his bro though, he took too many threes.



  • I know I said this before but it’s so nice to have an inside game this year. Billy and Dok can both make back to the basket moves. Love Billys turn around/fade away. What we sorely missed last year.



  • Thanks for the focus KU brethren. I guess my beef is this was a game played that should count for something for KU. I get the experience. You butt heads won me over on that one. Yet if KU is going to play this game it should count? I don’t know boys and girl I’m not sure this type of game should be an exitbion type game.? I’m not for playing MU but if we are then let’s make it count for something…

    As I still think MU gained everything from this game and KU nothing. Maybe I’m wrong? Hey it happens.



  • @HawkChamp Looks like Billy might be a bit more willing and able to play inside than Bragg…



  • @BShark definitely looks like more a banger and a bit tougher mentally. I like it a lot



  • Does KU raise nearly 2 million if it isn’t Missouri? I’m not so sure.



  • @BShark

    Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.

    Last time I checked.



  • HawkChamp said:

    @BShark definitely looks like more a banger and a bit tougher mentally. I like it a lot

    Me too. He has a lot of skill. Could be one of the best post players Self has had. A shame he isn’t a multiyear guy. Could only imagine him in his JR year like Marcus… Not sure he played enough today but he had a bad effort moment so Self yanked him, and he did have 5 fouls.



  • DoubleDD said:

    @BShark

    Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.

    Last time I checked.

    Wasn’t close! But is the arena full for another team is up for debate. It was full and rocking for this game.



  • DoubleDD said:

    @KUSTEVE

    Seriously who did you walk away with more impressed with?

    Remember MU is young and very talented. KU is pretty much set.

    Should KU play this type of exhibition type of game? Especially against a team that has the talent to beat and nothing to lose?

    Who has more to gain? MU or KU? MU is young and talented so they get the benefit of the doubt. KU is kind of set.

    Do feel comfortable playing this MU team in the tournament?

    More “impressed” with? uhhh…KU.

    I already covered that in my last post. Yes, we should play this type of exhibition.

    Who has more to gain? I covered that in my last post, too.

    Yes, I feel comfortable playing Misery in the tournament. Hell yes.



  • Never be afraid of Missouri!



  • HawkChamp

    That’s the hope… especially after today.

    Bill is going to chew some serious arse over poor rebounding. Also… mediocre defense.

    This can be expected before the season, but it helps to have something like this to create the opportunity for Bill to do some heavy correctional coaching.



  • So you cats are ok with playing a pontetial top 25 team in the exhibition season? Not only that but against MU? Who has everything to gain and nothing to lose? You want this every season? You want KU to stop playing pushovers and play nothing but top 25 teams every game?

    Please help me understand?


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