Old Man Approxinfinity...
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… Wishes every single player wouldn’t shuffle their feet after catching the ball on the perimeter these days. It’s a constant reminder that the games rules are being applied subjectively.
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I remember reffing about 15 years ago calling that and people going nuts.
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They are phasing out dribbling.
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When my kids were little the refs let players run all over the court without dribbling. Or some kid would dribble a while, then pick up the ball when somebody guarded them close, then dribble around the kid guarding them, then pick up the ball when somebody else guarded them, then dribble around that kid, all the time getting closer to the basket. Finally when they were right under the basket (which was only about 6 feet high) they would shoot. No incentive to pass, encouraged ball hogs. The kids who actually passed and tried to play by the rules never got the ball back. Used to drive me crazy.
Yes, they were really little. But they sure weren’t teaching them the right way to play.
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I remember those days!
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Old man BShark went fishing yesterday and liked it.
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Old man Kirk is still in his 20’s.
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Dylans laid new flooring in his flooded office yesterday and feels like an old man today.
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Old man Jayballer 73 - - took my meds - - scooted over to my rocker - -drank my Geritol - -put my blanket over my lap and thumbed through my magazines lol.- - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Don’t get me started…
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The amount of players palming the ball is nearly 90%
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The number of 3-second calls is so low they might as well get rid of the lane. (Zion would routinely stay in there 5 seconds)
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The fumble of a pass that hits the ground IS, IN FACT, A DRIBBLE. When they dribble again its a double dribble.
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BigBad said:
- The fumble of a pass that hits the ground IS, IN FACT, A DRIBBLE. When they dribble again its a double dribble.
I started really noticing that a lot more this year. It’s clearly intentional. Some players do it almost every time they receive a pass.
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@DanR is the reasoning behind that, they aren’t controlling the catch? So it’s part of the catch and they get to start the dribble after controlling it? Does that make sense?
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My recollection is that for a dribble to occur, the contact (dribble) had to be caused by the player controlling the ball. If you don’t control the ball, it’s not dribble. So if a pass accidentally goes off your hands, you can pick it up, control it, and dribble. One instance we see is a pass is tapped by the player to the court. It bounces, he secures it, and then he dribbles. That’s a double dribble. Because he controlled the ball to the floor by the initial tap. Not of course the situation in VA game, where the player already controlled it by dribbling, it went off him (technically a dribble too because he had controlled the ball), he secured it, and dribbled again. Of course, the player should have just dribbled as he took control of the ball again as opposed to grabbing it.
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@HighEliteMajor @BigBad @DanR My understanding is if you receive a pass and you drop it, or even attempt to control it by batting it to the ground and then catching it you still have your dribble. I was last licensed in the 2000’s and I rose to the glorious level of JV, but that’s the way I remember it.
Palming…grrr…Watch a youtube video of ‘killer crossovers’ or ‘dude breaks his ankles’. Look how many times the palm comes under the dribblers hand. Most of those are carries. And the reason it’s a violation is obvious, it causes the defender to stop moving because he thinks the player has given up his dribble.
Then listen to the announcers fall for it. They don’t call it out, they say things like “onions” or “he’s a diaper dandy”. Yet the player is cheating. And the ref is falling for it.
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@wissox I agree … but I think if you miss it, say, it comes to you and just bounces of your hands (accidentally – the refs judgment that it was really a miss. Like bouncing off your back), that’s not good enough to stop a subsequent dribble. Because there was no control. But if you control it by batting it to the ground, like a dribble, you can’t then hold it and dribble again. Because the bat to the ground is actually control. Interesting.
