Vent Here....
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Duke, almighty Duke, in the last 20 yrs: - - 4 time losers in the 1st round - -Arizona - in the last 20 yrs- - 5 time losers in the 1st round
North Carolina in the last 20 yrs:- - 6 time losers in the 2nd round - -Kentucky in the last 20 yrs- -4 time losers in the 2nd round.
These teams have had multiple years where they didn’t even make it to the tourney - yet we moan/bitch cause OH we have underachieved since the middle 90’s should of at least had 7-10 more final fours with the talent we have had. - -Guess UK - -Duke - -& N Carolina must not of had any talent in the last 20 years when they made their early 1st round 2nd round exits. - -I would of thought they would of done better - but they didn’t have the talent. - - I call bullshit. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 An appropriate term for what @HawkChamp is saying is an “apologist.”
I would also say this. You may wonder why things go downhill sometimes with your posting and responses. Try reading what you wrote. Then do a 2 + 2 analysis. But I’m guessing you aren’t going to clue in on the “why” part of it.
Quite frankly, a discussion is not “bitching”, etc., as you want to disjointedly describe it.
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I DECIDED to re think and try to keep my tongue in cheek be the better for it. - -Lots I would like to say - -But I won’t - I’ll just do like I said the new leaf for new years resolution - when I totally disagree, or not waste time - I’l just simply put - -I’ll zip my lip. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor @jayballer54 Did I really say 10? Wow, I totally had my Crimson colored stained glass window eyeglasses on. In my defense, I woke up really early this morning. But 5 more is not out of the question with the great coaches and talent we have had.
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@HighEliteMajor I feel the urge, once again, to jab with a needle at your tough old skin. My personal and time honored MINDSET: Win the league annually; then hope for a national title every couple of decades. Never ever lose in the first two rounds of the NCAA Tourney. Coddle and praise a tenured coaching staff which strives to maintain that level of play. (And, O Yeah, HAVE A NICE DAY!)
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@REHawk I’ll jab back very slightly, my friend. How do you win a national championship if your planning, scheming, and personnel aren’t geared for that goal? I will say that hoping for a national title every couple of decades seems to be aiming a bit low, in my ever so humble opinion.
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@HighEliteMajor Actually, I think it would be terrific to win a pair of national titles every decade. That said, a couple of powerhouse programs, Kentucky and North Carolina, have paid a very high price to do that…crashing the credibility of what some folk would still like to feel is “amateur sport.” Am I an uninformed rube, thinking that the KU hoops program hovers much more closely to the fairer (tho ever changing) RULES OF AMATEURISM? Essentially, I guess that I am saying that schools have to cheat to win clusters of national titles. Of course, Big 12 opponents probably feel the same about Bill Self’s current conference streak…
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Now it appears that Kansas Basketball has reached the point that the “program” has to lever traditionally ineligible players into positions of partial eligibility. Invest enough coin waging legal battles vs a beleaguered and bewildered national accrediting agency…and SHAZAM!, borderline players get to represent the university half a season. (I had to check back to see if my comments were staying within the parameters of the heading for this thread; and, yeah, I suppose I am VENTING.) Of course, who was to know that young Preston would show up on campus behind the steering wheel of a vehicle, the purchase or ownership being suspicious of impropriety?
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@HighEliteMajor You know, I used to think you were something of a pragmatist, a fella pinched a bit tightly into a cassock of pessimism. But now I read your little ditty about Marcus Peters and our Chiefs. Only a died in the wool optimist could enter the words CHIEFS and PLAYED BETTER in the same paragraph!
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Speaking of optimism, when my wife just pointed out that our Jayhawks are set to play 3 games in the next 6 days, two of those away, I blurted, “Hell, we are likely to lose one of those!” She said, “Oh, I believe you might be thinking a bit optimistically!”
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REHawk said:
Now it appears that Kansas Basketball has reached the point that the “program” has to lever traditionally ineligible players into positions of partial eligibility. Invest enough coin waging legal battles vs a beleaguered and bewildered national accrediting agency…and SHAZAM!, borderline players get to represent the university half a season. (I had to check back to see if my comments were staying within the parameters of the heading for this thread; and, yeah, I suppose I am VENTING.) Of course, who was to know that young Preston would show up on campus behind the steering wheel of a vehicle, the purchase or ownership being suspicious of impropriety?
To which we STILL don’t know who this car actually belongs to OR belonged to right? - -Will we EVER know? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Maybe it was good fortune that Billy hit the curb. Just think if all these issues were somehow brought to light after a season; potentially resulting in vacated wins.
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Blown said:
Maybe it was good fortune that Billy hit the curb. Just think if all these issues were somehow brought to light after a season; potentially resulted in vacated wins.
Agree with that. I’m sure that is the reason he’s sat through the first 9 games. No one player is above the integrity of the program
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As long as we’re venting - to whomever runs KUathletics.com - could you please lose the picture of DeVonte and LaGerald holding hands? Thank you.
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@nuleafjhawk couldn’t see it
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@Crimsonorblue22 Couldn’t see any pics, or that one? Because there’s quite a delay between pictures, but it’s there. Big and bold.
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@Blown Ah, but how many cars and benefits went unnoticed because the player was able to avoid such a mishap? One may never know.
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@HighEliteMajor seemingly nothing is missed for KU Men’s BB the last few years…Selby, Chieck, Alexander, Josh “the Crane Kick Macchio” Jackson, Bragg…but unfortunately, there is an awful lot of truth to your question/statement.
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Ineligible players, transfers, walk-ons actually playing. A football player suiting up shortly, possibly…Is this a sign of something??
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@Ralster Glad to hear from you!
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Wow. It’s been a while; your inside knowledge has been missed. Glad to see you posting again.
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@KUSTEVE I too like what Cunliffe will bring. He’s got to bring something better than what they’ve had up to this point. I’m really hopeful for this Nebraska game. I hope to see Cunliffe provide some valuable contributions that will make the bball pundits pause, and say, “Uh oh, looks like KU will get their act together afterall.”
I just heard Seth Greenberg say that KU will NOT win the B12. I hope KU makes that pompous windbag eat his words. Every year some so-called bball expert goes against Self and Co. I hope Self lives up to his HOFA, and makes Greenberg eat his stupid comments.
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Self has said to be easy on expectations for Sam. Self has also said that he will be a great player but in a few years, ether way just having a guy to go in for a few minutes for Self to bench a guard and tell them why they got pulled . Didn’t really have that the first 10 games. With Marcus and Sam on the bench if Svi and Newman make a few bad play Self can sit them both for a bit (while chewing some butt lol).
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kjayhawks said:
Self has said to be easy on expectations for Sam. Self has also said that he will be a great player but in a few years, ether way just having a guy to go in for a few minutes for Self to bench a guard and tell them why they got pull. Didn’t really have that the first 10 games. With Marcus and Sam on the bench if Svi and Newman make a few bad play Self can sit them both for a bit (while chewing some butt lol).
If he can give 10 okay minutes I think that’s a win.
Cunliffe lacks basketball skills.
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@BShark yep I’d be good with that as well and would expect him to average 8-12 minutes a game this season.
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Defy logic? Yea I think in this case it’s ok to use the term. I’ll tell you why.
I as a KU fan for many years I expected and even deemed the season a failure if KU didn’t at least make the final 4. As you well know year after year. I walked way feeling a little disappointed. I even began to wander if God himself had something against the Jayhawks. I know crazy talk. Right? Hey what’s a fan to do when he is grasping for answers?
Greatly I never gave up and began to really watch the game. Not with just with my fandom, but my intellect (what little I have). Here are some things I figured out or stumbled unto like a man in the dark trying to find the last Twinkie that the wife hid in the kitchen.
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Coach hasn’t had a killer inside game for quite sometime. Maybe not since the Morris Brothers. Don’t get me wrong Trob and the Withey show was quite good, but was it really killer?
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Just looking back on the last couple of years. What was KU’s real downfall? What knocked them out of the tourney and a date with destiny? Bigs in the paint?
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The OAD has really changed the way the game is played and especially how the big boys recruit. It’s kind of Ironic there seems to be more heartbreak than success with the OAD craze. Yet it continues. Which I think allows the really good college players to slip down to lesser schools. In some ways leveling the playing field.
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As we have found out and haven’t seen all the fallout yet. Yet it appears that recruiting top talent isn’t quite as fair as we used to think yesteryear.
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This last May rile the KU posters here? Yet does KU really have great players? The best of the best? Don’t get me wrong KU has some great players. Yet the best of the best. The kind of talent where. A fan can actually say without his or her fandom getting in the way. KU has the best players in the nation and is the best team in the country?
So I say defy logic? Because with everything I posted above, I think Coache’s back is against the wall yet year after year he keeps KU winning and KU in the conversation of NC type team.
Hey I’m just looking at the glass half full.
Are you advocating we need a new direction? Not trying to put you on the spot or anything. Yet your knowledge of the game we love far surpassed my own. What say you?
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Kentucky is trash. Wow.
Syracuse headed to OT with a crappy Georgetown team…
EVEN OUR WINS SUCK. ERMAGERD
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BShark said:
Kentucky is trash. Wow.
Syracuse headed to OT with a crappy Georgetown team…
EVEN OUR WINS SUCK. ERMAGERD
Kentucky will win though
Cuse isn’t supposed to be any good.
I get it, we don’t have a really legitimate win through 9 games.
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I was mostly just being stupid. Not sure a win today changes much but it would be much better than the alternative.
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Can I vent about the Nebraska game too lol. I tell you I’m worried, we don’t even look decent half the time to this point. Watching some of the other B12 games today I’m worried we will struggle to be .500. Even KSUCK looks like they would stomp the daylights outta us to this point. Newman shouldn’t play more than a handful of minutes a game, he’s as lost as a guy can be. Both him and Garrett couldn’t hit the ground with their hat in 3 trys.
