KANSAS STATE WILDCATS
TCU on the road is a memory. Some are happy, some are saaaad, whoa oh oh listen to the Music. Before K-State lost Tuesday night, Lunardi had them in the Tournament. They are going through the tough part of the schedule like we are about to do. Last night was a critical win for us and I’m deeply proud of the consecutive titles. I would love a National Championship, we all would, and I don’t think our win, though UGLY, will hurt. I am sure that Coach, some say he is “not very good,” will use this as a teaching lesson and the time for preparation and practice will make this game a return to the “Three for all” that some are wishing for.
located In Manhattan Kansas.
Past and current coaches of the Wildcats.
Coach in the KC Star -
Piper will be proud -
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@wrwlumpy We that don’t have a subscription to the KC Star can’t view that article. I briefly saw the headline. Can you paste in here for us?
When did Bruce Weber start wearing a fur coat?
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@wrwlumpy Great set of photos. I’m sending this link to my friend who loves his Purple Power Kitties. Hi Paul!
Speaking of Paul, he was disappointed in the way the team performed during non-conference play this year. He follows his Kats close, loved his young team last year, and sees in them this year a group that is putting it together to level he expected during conference play.
K-State’s loss to West Virginia was a physical, energetic, messy and fun game to watch if you like a scrap. K-State will certainly bring the fight. I think KU will be up for our in state match-up which means we will scrap with them-and Frank Mason has already mentioned to the media that this KU team likes to scrap. I think we have more offensive firepower and the home court so we should grab the W. We’ve got to grab the W.
What is the over/under of the number of times the camera catches Weber and Gipson making pouty faces at the officials?
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I cannot believe this - CBS Sports has Kansas as a 1 seed.
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@RockChalkinTexas Hi. Sorry your boyfriend was sick last night. He’ll be OK Saturday. Here’s the article.
I am so glad you posted the picture of Tex Winter.
Winter, though he was a USC Sam Cunningham and Jack Gardiner disciple, not an Okie Baller, is actually the coach that Bill Self has always most resembled to me.
Tex Winter could coach’em up, and he was creative, and he could be cool, and he could get hot, and he could get the best out of a lot of different kinds of players.
Winter came to be very tightly identified with what he called the Triple Post at KSU, but later The Triangle, when he was Jackson’s offensive brains behind the Bulls and Lakers.
Winter was not quite as good of a button pusher of players at Self, but he was still pretty good.
Winter really got tired of all the player management issues and walked away from the pro game rated an unsuccessful pro coach and folks had forgotten the incredible stuff he had done at KSU.
Phil Jackson fortunately understood what a genius Winter was. Sometimes it takes one to know one.
The rest is history.
Self can kvetch and complain all he wants.
He got exactly what he wanted.
A low scoring game where he rested everyone but Mason and basically reduced this horrible 3 in 6 scheme to something they may survive.
Bitching about mistakes at the end when an opposing team is basically playing like strong safeties in football on defense against your guys is just the old woman in him coming out.
Perfectionists all have this old woman streak in them. Once they get what they want, then they complain about something…anything.
Self should be walking on air. He pulled it off.
He sent his team out flat and played everyone but the walk ons big minutes.
I mean, he played two OADs 10 and 15 minutes.
Bill, you’re just trying make sure your green guys stay purposeful.
One more add: that is a flipping great storm shot over the KSU stadium, whether real or Photoshopped. Congrats.
Only KSU and Manhattan could put a big tank up behind the Manhattan across the hillside. How flipping low rent is that?
Imagine KU putting a big tank up behind the Campanile?
@wrwlumpy Thanks. I missed the whole first half after downing some Nyquil. Fighting a bad cold myself. I must have picked it up at the game. Know how he feels. Sucks to be sick.
@RockChalkinTexas did you catch it from him??? Might have been worth it? Jk!!!
@jaybate-1.0 That was a scary time. I saw the picture in Sports Illustrated. The game was actually delayed until weathermen decided that any danger had passed.
@wrwlumpy Good pics lump-you’ve done it again. I played HS FB, BB & BR Baseball with Dickey. Good guy & great all around athlete. He could rocket a FB that’d knock you down, but his flippin fastball was in the 90’s. You stayed real loose in the box against him FDS. Most vivid memory is how those fouls off the feet hurt like all hell. Was back in the day when if you flubbed up & cussed, you were either running laps, PT, or both, OH NO !!
@wrwlumpy Also while strolling memory lane I gotta share that Cotton Fitzsimmons was one of my all time fav coaches as a young man, & was also NBA COY in 1979 for the Kansas City Kings. Very classy & extremely talented coach & man.
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If I was Self, I’d print that photo of Huggy Bear with his shiner and mount it in our locker room the days leading up to Morgantown. Give the guys plenty to think about.
I’ve been watching blah-basketball tonight. Kentucky vs Mizzou. Kentucky plays some defense but their offense look horrible.
I’m thinking to myself, I kind of think WVU might be a good test for Kentucky. I hope those two get paired in March. Huggy gets to turn Calipari’s world upside down for 40 minutes. The game starts with 3 rough WVU fouls in the first minute, undercutting players and pushing hard. Test the manhood of all those Kentucky trees.
My last thought on the TCU game. A couple of years ago we played bad and we LOST down there. I’m just glad we WON! Sometimes the toughest games to win are against your worst opponents, if for no reason than having problems getting up to play them.
We had just enough in the tank to inch by.
I’m expecting to see the other team we can be on Saturday. This is a bad time to be a purple kitty!
Then we will want to avenge a loss in Ames. I think our guys hold a grudge. I HOPE our guys hold a grudge!
We are in for a couple of nice Jayhawk wins!
MANHATTAN, Kan. (AP) — Kansas State will likely be without Nino Williams for Saturday’s game against No. 9 Kansas after the starting forward hurt his left knee in a loss to West Virginia. Williams only played 8 minutes in Tuesday night’s game. He spent a few minutes riding a stationary bike before halftime, and then spent the entire second half on the bench. Wildcats coach Bruce Weber said Thursday that Williams sustained a “strain or sprain,” and that he underwent three treatments earlier in the day. There was no structural damage, and Weber said his senior forward would not need surgery. Williams is averaging 11.7 points and 4.9 rebounds per game. He was coming off a 22-point performance in a loss to Iowa State and a 20-point outing in a win over Oklahoma State.
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Bummer. I like Nino’s game and wanted to see the kitties at full strength. I hope he recovers and maybe we see him when we play in Manhattan.
@drgnslayr or maybe he recovers in time for sat. I like to play a full strength team too.
The team photo. Svi and Devonte sporting the “Letterman” look with Fashion Risk Frank wearing his best Camo’s.
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@jaybate-1.0 I believe it’s real. A guy that I used to work with was at that game and he had similar, if not even more eerie pictures.
@Crimsonorblue22 Jaybate once remarked that Self has the luck of a professional gambler that always makes it to the final table. Nino being unable to play brings up some of that luck we’ve experienced throughout the Title runs. Thomas Robinson never had to play against an injured Blake Griffin, Durant sprained his ankle in the second half of a game where he scored the most points ever against a KU team. I forgot the name of the big guy from Ohio State when they played here. I remember Robinson talking to him before the game that he was unable to play in. It takes a great Coach, great players and a lot of luck to win so many consecutive Championships.
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I forgot the name of the big guy form Ohio State when they played here
Jared Sullinger. He was healthy when we beat them in the Final 4 that year though
@wrwlumpy Thanks for the picture. PLEASE don’t take this a some kindof political remark everyone, but it is not often that you see the president in a picture where he looks short! I thought it was amusing.
@wrwlumpy And notice my boyfriend is wearing glasses!
@wrwlumpy I said b/4 that if you emailed me I could send you some pictures I took at the UT game so you could post them.
@RockChalkinTexas My Avatar name plus @yahoo. Thanks, do you live in Austin? Please send them.
@wrwlumpy Yes live here. Will send when I get back from my lunch.
@wrwlumpy Upvote for the Liberace photo…
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@wrwlumpy Who is the Playmate?
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The tank has been there a long time as so has the Manhattan sign. Water tanks are usually placed on high ground since you want to distribute water by gravity; not really a lot of hills in that part of the state so you do what you must. BTW, they are both away from campus and not related at all to KSU. Just a quick reference.
@RockChalkinTexas Love the photo with you and Frank’s Dad. He looks like he was a point guard at some time in his life. Thank you again, nice to put a face with a Bucket person.
@joeloveshawks Crystal Smith. Miss September 1971. A Kansas City girl that worked in the KC Playboy Club. I had to crop the photo for the Bucket crowd. She might be the Grandmother of HEM’s Redhead.
@wrwlumpy Are you going to post some of them here on the board? Feel free to.
@wrwlumpy Frank Mason Jr. is how he signed my picture.
@RockChalkinTexas I guess he would be a Junior. He’s your age and I’m sure Frank Mason Senior is my age.
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Very, very nice photo! …and not too bad with Frank Jr. Sr., too!
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Hey…no cropping allowed…
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@wrwlumpy Stop that cropping business. Cropping is for sod busting, silage loving purple kitties.
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This element of luck that your raise is so appropriate to introduce into the discussion of Self and all great coaches that have great runs.
John Wooden had lots of luck. One of the things that has bothered me most about those that try to degrade Wooden’s accomplishments is that they try to explain it away by corruption and never by luck. I have always argued that Wooden started winning once he stepped up to the same level of corruption as was then prevalent at many of the basketball schools Wooden had to compete with. But that only created a level playing field for him. Wooden needed sustained excellence and lots of luck to tip the level playing field far in his favor. Wooden got a lot of luck when Walton made 21 of 22 FGAs in a national final game. Why can’t people understand that? UCLA played excellently that game, but Walton’s freakishly peak performance, which has to have had some luck involved in it coming the night it came. was decisive.
Does anyone remember Christian Laettner’s turn around half court desperation shot that won Coach K one of his rings. Pure luck.
You have to be lucky to be great.
It is so self evident.
But people struggle with the notion.
Persons are allowed to be all bad, or all good.
All skill, or all luck.
The way I think of it is like this:
All great persons at anything in any field have vast amounts of skill, vast amounts of work ethic, and vast amounts of luck.
They have all three.
Michael Jordan was just incomparably luck in addition to being incomparably hard working and incomparably talented. He came along for much of his career after Bird’s back prevented him from being great, and Magic’s AIDs took him away from the game. That was incomparable luck for Jordan. How flipping lucky was Jordan to get a coach like Jackson that was a hall of fame that could win rings with Jordan, with Shaq, and with Kobe. Jackson was an insanely great coach, who proved that he didn’t need Jordan to win rings. But Jackson to was incredibly lucky. What other coach had Jordan, Shaq and Kobe? Insane luck. Not something Jackson could plan out. All he could do was seize the opportunities.
Wilt was not so lucky, even though he was incomparably hard working and incomparably talented.
All someone has to do is get to know some world class scientists and you will learn about the importance of luck. The great universities are full of brilliant scientists that put together a great body of work, and are respected by their fellow scientists. But only a few get lucky and discover something of lasting and seminal importance. Some scientists are just lucky at getting good results in experiments. Some scientists are just unlucky. Erwin Shroedinger gets credit for formulating Quantum Mechanics. But there was an American mathematician and physicist that formulated quantum mechanics at the same moment. He was a little late getting his stuff published. He never got credit, even though everyone knew this great American scientist knew as much or more about quantum mechanics than Schroedinger did. Shroedinger was in the right place–Europe–at the right time, and he was the right age with the right constellation of acquaintances. He was lucky. This American scientist was not lucky.
Luck is fracking real.
It is a major, major force in the universe.
No one has really figured out how to formalize it, but it is as real as gravity that no one can figure out either.
Chalmer’s The Shot?
Luck for Sherron to make the steal.
Luck for Sherron falling down to get it to Chalmers.
Luck for Chalmers to have enough time.
Luck for Chalmers to make it off balance.
Chalmers had two NBA rings for Chrissakes.
Chalmers is not one of the 10 best players in the NBA.
But Chalmers has 2 NBA rings.
Chalmers is a great basketball player and he is lucky.
When you trying to find a great coach, you are looking for a guy with great talent, great work ethic, and great luck.
Whenever you find such a guy, hire him and be grateful that you guy lucky finding a lucky coach.
I cannot either.
But if I have learned one thing in this long, fretful, wondrous, adventuresome, tedious, magnificient, mundane life, it is that humans, when confronted with trying to make sense of things, tend to expect today to be like yesterday. They will speculate with wild, ridiculous variance between today and tomorrow. But they really lean toward the present being like what happen last year and the year before.
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@wrwlumpy Man, JoJo looks huge.
@jaybate-1.0 Shroedinger, he’s the guy with the dead/live cat in a box?
@JayHawkFanToo not really a lot of hills in that part of the state so you do what you must.
There are hills in Kansas?
@JayHawkFanToo Hey…no cropping allowed…
I’m thinking objects in the picture look massive and bodacious.